jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Nov 4, 2012 20:39:31 GMT -5
  This tool has polished 100s' of slabs,geodes and halves.It cost less than $200. 100,200,400,800,1500 and 3000 grit diamond pads that must be run wet and less than 5000 RPM.Grinders are 3600 RPM Walmarts.Wear a bathing suit.Backing plates made by me.I wish i used 5 or 6 inch diamond pads instead of 4 inchers. Does a 4 x 6 inch slab in minutes.I love this hobby.
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borock
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Post by borock on Nov 4, 2012 21:08:08 GMT -5
thats a thinking mans machine
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quartz
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Post by quartz on Nov 4, 2012 21:50:36 GMT -5
Seriously creative, I like it. Larry
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The Dad_Ohs
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Nov 4, 2012 23:38:22 GMT -5
Hmmmm may be time to check the walmart circular again for sales in the auto dept.!! Where do you get the pads and paper from??
Thanks for the idea James!!
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hand2mouthmining
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Post by hand2mouthmining on Nov 5, 2012 0:11:46 GMT -5
Shazam!!!  A seriously cool and inexpensive solution, James!
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Nov 5, 2012 8:18:15 GMT -5
Wet diamond pads with a velcro backing is what was epoxied onto the face plates.Mcgill Warehouse has 4 inchers.Those are the original $4 pads i glued on there over 5 years ago. just keep the water going to them so the rubber matrix does'nt melt and the will last a loooong time.Next time i will use 6 inch pads and hire a machine shop to true the faces.I welded 4 inch washers to the nut that came with the grinder.3600 RPM found the misalignments in a hurry affecting the quality via vibration.Also the gluing process.Gluing a velcro pad did not leave the flatest surface.Better to glue a pad wiyh no velcro-the flatter the better.I also wish the pads were horizontal-wow,that would make it easier with gravity on your side.Any way it will polish a little slab very quickly.The 3000 wheel vibrated a bit,but got a great polish at the 1500 station.My covington saw cuts smooth and allowed me to start at 400 station skipping 100 and 200.Adjusting and aligning that saw is a trick.
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Nov 5, 2012 8:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 5, 2012 8:46:42 GMT -5
If you could thread the right side shafts to 5/8"-11 RH you could use velcro lined spin on backers. They make them in 7" also. BD has metal bond velcro backed 70 and 170 grit discs as well. Of course none of their stuff is $4 ea. Actually, they have either a LH thread 7" backer or adapter they use on their current GP-8 with flat polishing kit option.
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 5, 2012 8:48:37 GMT -5
By the way, most people use way too much water. On the BD wet polisher you need only enough water to keep pads damp and rock dust down.
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Post by cdfcal on Nov 5, 2012 9:56:54 GMT -5
A work of art! thanks for sharing!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 10:33:41 GMT -5
I use the 5" pads for all my grinding and polishing of cabs and small slabs. I bought the 5/8" backer and switch out the pads. I run 15 or 20 cabs at a time so I do not have to switch the pads very often. I am set up in a room in the house and use a swamp cooler pump to supply the water which is recycled back to the bucket via a tub and drain under the pad. The grinding pads (50 and 100) wear out pretty fast because I work them pretty hard. I get a really nice shine at 3000 on everything, especially the nephrite. I can see that your system would be pretty fast, especially if you can skip the lower grits. If you clamp a washer between two nuts then tack it to one nut you will get a fairly square fit. It is even better if you use a coupler nut because the short nuts can be off a little. I'll bet that even in Georgia it gets a little chilly in winter.  I love home made ingenuity. Great job. Jim
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 5, 2012 10:39:57 GMT -5
Instead of nozzles, if you used copper tubing you could direct the water to the edge of pad. It would still throw water to the side but probably a lot less. A hood over the discs would help as well.
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Post by gingerkid on Nov 5, 2012 10:51:40 GMT -5
 Awesome!! Have enjoyed seeing pics of your lapidary equipment, James, and thanks for sharing!! "Wear a bathing suit" LOL! Got this one bookmarked!
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Nov 5, 2012 21:03:51 GMT -5
Sounds like i stimulated some brains yeah! Hope it helps Thanks for the tips and the compliments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 7:30:25 GMT -5
John, If water is just directed at the edge it slings the water off and the center stays dry. I use the copper tube but I have it pulled around so it is spraying the center. The pads are used for polishing granite counter tops and they use a center water feed on a hand polisher that is made for that purpose. The copper works real good but to keep it from spraying water from a distance far enough for a slab to slide under it it is necessary to pinch the end of the 1/4" tube down so it is spraying and not running out. If you do not squeeze it down it takes a butt load of water to shoot that far and there will be water everywhere. As you can see I had to be very creative to keep the water from spraying everywhere.  This is also my 10" trim saw and when I am using it I attach a 1/4" plastic hose with a 5/16" hose for a coupler. There is no pressure so the plastic hose holds tight with just friction. I have another !/4" tube that sprays water on the other side of the blade. I bought a five inch backer and as my four inch pads wear out I am switching to five inch pads. Every cab that I have posted has been ground and polished on this machine. Free grinder base, free blade, salvaged copper tubing, couple of bucks for plastic tube, four to five dollars for pads 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1000, 1500, 2000 and 3000 grits, four old motors at a garage sale for fifteen bucks, four or five bucks for the tub, swamp cooler pump salvaged, wood salvaged, belt salvaged and the drain for the tub came out of the tub on my tile saw Two or three of those grits could be skipped. I ground with 100 for a long time but I wanted more muscle so the 100 can not be skipped because the 50 leaves some pretty good chicken scratching. Some stone the 200 or 400 but not both can be skipped. If the 400 is skipped the 800 has to be used. If the 800 is used the 1000 can be skipped. The 1500 is pretty important for me because the polish is starting and it will show scratches from all the way back and if I clean it up real good at 1500 I can jump to 3000. On the really hard stone I use all of them. If you are not totally confused I have not done my job. DO NOT USE THE PVC VALVES LIKE I DID. REAL CHEAP BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO FINE TUNE. I have replaced the valves with some other cheap brass valves that work a little better but if I was to do it again I would spring for the metering valves.  James, I hope you do not mind me adding to your thread. I hope everyone got a kick out of it like I did yours.
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Nov 6, 2012 9:12:08 GMT -5
The whois is connected to the whatis but you skipped the thatis to use the them is and thensis didn't work so you sumtined the whatis to the whereis and if you had to do it all over again....... I'd take up a collection for my psychiatrist visits for therapy from trying to understand all this!! 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 10:18:32 GMT -5
Everyone has to be good at something and I am good at confusing people.  If anyone is interested I will rewrite that when I have not been up all night. I think that if you write it down in a vertical line it might help. OR you can just use all of them like I do most of the time. But I doubt that a bunch of people are going to hurry up and copy my machine. My explanation was way over kill and I wasn't even on drugs. Jim
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 6, 2012 10:22:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty familiar with the wet polishers. I've been selling (and using) the BD's for many years. On the BD cab units that use the resin pads they supply a magnetic mount Loc-Line flexible nozzle to deliver water to the pads. Spendy but pretty slick. They use a submersible water pump.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 6, 2012 10:41:38 GMT -5
am flattered that you added to the thread.You have built a much higher skill level machine.Since you have a saw blade in the equation i assume you are running a lot less than 3600 RPM like my grinders.I do not like my high speeds because it's a bit dangerous and it slings the pads off the velcro backing forcing me to glue the pads.But,glueing the pads forced me to make 6 stations with no pad change.And it cuts fast at that speed. Your description of the grits is a carbon copy of my experience.50 grit does too deep of scratches.100 can too.And less water is fine.At the high speed i will burn rubber at times due to water sling(3600 too fast).1500 and 3000 polishes great.10000 does not make a difference. I never could figure a way to stay dry,again the 3600 rpm.And extra water required due to sling factor.The rig is set up in a greenhouse making it swim suit freindly.It gets to 85 F at high sun in the winter... thanks for tips photos and sharing Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 13:30:28 GMT -5
I am running about 2000, 2100 rpm. I started at 1750 but it was way to slow. Much better at the higher speed. As you can see by the water guards I have to run quite a bit of water to keep the stone making cream on the pad. I make an extra effort to get the pads perfectly centered so they do not vibrate real bad. I slide my water feed over to the side of the pad and spin the pad slowly. If it is off center I peel a side and push it over a little bit over half the distance it is out and spin it again and again until it is right. It saves having to shut down and center a pad that is way out. I have never had one sling off though. Did you use industrial strength velcro? Jim
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