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Post by Toad on Nov 29, 2012 23:53:38 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 12:35:34 GMT -5
Wow... no one came forward to call him a communist? After all, the bum didn't work for it.
Personally, I think he was noble and did the right thing. THAT's American, and we need more people like him and less like Mitt Romney.
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 12:42:23 GMT -5
Here's a US Company who does the same thing: Henry Ford said: There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible. Henry Ford - Men like Ford are what made America Great. Here are some more Ford Quotes, all of which are pretty apt for the times: www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_ford.htmlAnd here's a CEO who lives by Henry Ford's philosophy... and makes money hand over fist, check out Costco's stock prices: People like THIS are who make America great, not Heirs of Walmart forcing their full time employees to collect Food Stamps to live, costing Taxpayers $410,000 PER WALMART just to eat, while they make billions a year they cannot possibly spend, money they inherited and did not spend a single minute earning.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 30, 2012 13:32:20 GMT -5
Wow... no one came forward to call him a communist? After all, the bum didn't work for it. Personally, I think he was noble and did the right thing. THAT's American, and we need more people like him and less like Mitt Romney. The compassion shown here for the less fortunate can never be duplicated by a monolithic government program. If the $75.00 spent on those boots had been forcibly removed from the officers paycheck and laundered through beaureaucrats, the man would have ended up with about $10.00 which he wouldn't have needed anyway because by the time he got them his feet would be frozen off anyway, or perhaps he would be dead from hypothermia. When an American VOLUNTARILY gives that large a spontaneous gift, relative to his income, that person is 70% more likely to be fiscally conservative in his leanings. Here's an excellent book... richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/arthur-brooks-who-really-cares-the-surprising-truth-about-compassionate-conservatism/Arthur Brooks is a liberal type who compiled these statistics to make a point for his philosophy, and to his credit, when he found the opposite to be true published the results anyway. To his credit, our president is no slouch when it comes to personal charitable giving, far above the average for his party (The Bidens reported giving $995 in charitable donations last year — about 0.3% of their income and the highest amount in the past decade. The low was $120 in 1999, about 0.1% of yearly income) but doesn't even come close to Mitt Romney in dollars or in percent of income given. What if this NYPD officer had even more disposable income to do things like this? imagine the possibilities. What we truly need is a fundamental shift in our idea of what "we the people" means. Lee
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 13:37:26 GMT -5
We need to read a BOOK to decide if what that man did was the right thing? That as a NATION, helping those who can't help themselves is the right thing?
One thing about those 'bureaucrats' is that despite past excesses and abuses, the US Gov't is still NONPROFIT. Pay the Red Cross to give him those boots, and they will use the 'usual' charitable donation formula... after expenses of 95%, 5% go to the actual charity. Truly BS charities give less than 1% of what they collect.
The gov't would buy him boots, and it would cost us $150 and not $70, but that's better than a 'charity' giving him $10 and no boots.
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 13:40:34 GMT -5
And speaking of 'charities'... why was that man sitting on the cold ground with no boots?
They're real helpful huh?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 30, 2012 13:42:17 GMT -5
Henry Ford said: There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible. Henry Ford - Men like Ford are what made America Great.It was Henry Ford who in the 1930s built the Soviet Union's first modern automobile plant (located at Gorki) and which in the 50s and 60s produced the trucks used by the North Vietnamese to carry weapons and munitions for use against Americans.2 At about the same time, Henry Ford was also the most famous of Hitler's foreign backers, and he was rewarded in the 1930s for this long-lasting support with the highest Nazi decoration for foreigners.This Nazi favor aroused a storm of controversy in the United States and ultimately degenerated into an exchange of diplomatic notes between the German Government and the State Department. While Ford publicly protested that he did not like totalitarian governments, we find in practice that Ford knowingly profited from both sides of World War II — from French and German plants producing vehicles at a profit for the Wehrmacht, and from U.S. plants building vehicles at a profit for the U.S. Armreformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_06.htm
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 13:51:08 GMT -5
Leave it to you to denigrate a great man.
AS IF Ford knew what Hitler would become in 1930, when no one in Germany, Europe or the US did. He was a great man, not a psychic. Or does being a great man require he be psychic too? The US did not enter WWII until 1941. Gee. What was wrong with him in 1930?
AS IF helping the Soviet Union during Hitler's rise to power (HELLO, the Soviets were ALLIES in WWII, you know, where that word came from, today defined as FRIEND?), was a bad thing? As IF Henry Ford in 1930 would know we'd have a Cold War with the USSR in 1950? Again, he should have been psychic. What was WRONG with the man?
Does that change the fact that Henry Ford was a great man, because he HELPED people that later turned out to be bad men? Is that a flaw in his character? Maybe that means he's a bad businessman who failed at what he did, because he helped people that shouldn't have been helped. Something decided YEARS after he helped them?
Maybe you should consider timing? Tell me, are you a bad person for stopping a thief, if it turns out later that the 'victim' you helped was a drug dealer? How the heck could he have known that 10 years later, 2 of the THOUSANDS of humanitarian actions he was responsible for would undo all the good he did? Go figure. What a horrible person, right?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 30, 2012 14:08:20 GMT -5
Did you read the link? Guess not. In July 1942 word filtered back to Washington from Ford of France about Ford's activities on behalf of the German war effort in Europe. The incriminating information was promptly buried and even today only part of the known documentation can be traced in Washington.
We do know, however, that the U.S. Consul General in Algeria had possession of a letter from Maurice Dollfuss of French Ford — who claimed to be the first Frenchman to go to Berlin after the fall of France — to Edsel Ford about a plan by which Ford Motor could contribute to the Nazi war effort. French Ford was able to produce 20 trucks a day for the Wehrmacht, which [wrote Dollfuss] is better than,
Dollfuss disclosed that profits from this German business were already 1.6 million francs, and net profits for 1941 were no less than 58,000,000 francs — because the Germans paid promptly for Ford's output. On receipt of this news Edsel Ford cabled:
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 14:17:17 GMT -5
Sounds like your article was written by one of Henry Ford's competitors at the time to discredit him. Again, no one knew what was happening to the Jews in Germany til the Allies entered Auschwitz... in 1945.
Crucifying someone for something they could not POSSIBLY have known about because no one else did 20 years later is absurd.
Ford was a businessman, not a politician. People wanted to buy his products, so he sold them. Show me the receipts for Ford from Nazi Germany from 1942-1945 please.
As for the Soviets and Communism... there's your evidence right there. Fascism HATES Communism. One of the first things Hitler did when he rose to power was ban all Labor Unions. So the fact that Ford sold to BOTH means exactly what? Oh yah... he's a businessman?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 30, 2012 14:28:10 GMT -5
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 30, 2012 14:29:38 GMT -5
You don't know everything Helen!
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Post by herchenx on Nov 30, 2012 14:35:21 GMT -5
Also I will probably delete that last post and not respond anymore, it was just for me, really.
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 30, 2012 14:41:10 GMT -5
Hey, that was very well stated. It is good to know that there are folks out there who get it.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 30, 2012 14:42:50 GMT -5
Don't delete. Well said, Thank you.
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Post by helens on Nov 30, 2012 14:51:24 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with your rant John. I actually agree with much of it. There's nothing that can or should be done about Walmart's treatment of their workers. This IS a democracy, it's not up to the Government to do a thing about Walmart. It's brought up as a point to illustrate that treating workers poorly does NOT benefit them, not even from a profit standpoint.
As for living within our means, if you believe Ron Paul, then your solution would be to eliminate the US Military spending... which comprises 70% or so of TOTAL Federal budget.
Instant solution, we'd have no deficit very quickly. Is that a good idea? Why or why not? This is the key difference with the 'typical democrat', Obama doesn't want to cut the military. Neither do the Republicans. That's where he's like Reagan the most apparently. Because if the Independents won, we'd have no military to speak of within 1 year. Is that a good idea?
No one has proposed cutting defense by 50% to balance the budget within 4 years. That's what would happen. Which should give?
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Post by Donnie's Rocky Treasures on Nov 30, 2012 14:52:58 GMT -5
Well said, John!
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 30, 2012 15:07:05 GMT -5
[quote author=helens board=polit thread=56662 post=630539 time=1354305084 As for living within our means, if you believe Ron Paul, then your solution would be to eliminate the US Military spending... which comprises 70% or so of TOTAL Federal budget. Instant solution, we'd have no deficit very quickly. Is that a good idea? Why or why not? This is the key difference with the 'typical democrat', Obama doesn't want to cut the military. Neither do the Republicans. That's where he's like Reagan the most apparently. Because if the Independents won, we'd have no military to speak of within 1 year. Is that a good idea? No one has proposed cutting defense by 50% to balance the budget within 4 years. That's what would happen. Which should give? [/quote] ;D "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so." - Ronald Reagan Defense and international security assistance: In 2011, 20 percent of the budget, or $718 billion, paid for defense and security-related international activities. The bulk of the spending in this category reflects the underlying costs of the Department of Defense and other security-related activities. The total also includes the cost of supporting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, funding for which totaled $159 billion in 2011. www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 15:11:26 GMT -5
Some good points John.
Yes, Henry Ford was a virulent anti-semite, sure enough. Hitler considered him to be one of his inspirations. That doesn't mean Ford didn't have considerable business sense and that his comment about treating his workers well doesn't have merit. But I agree that he's a poor example.
One other thing about Costco is that, unlike Walmart, it gives preference to AMERICAN products. Costco does sell things from around the globe, but compared to Walmart and other discounters, you're more likely to find local products at Costco. I'll never forget that it was the honchos at Walmart who forced Rubbermaid out of business not too long ago because they refused to ship their jobs overseas (the brand name was bought up and now made in Asia).
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 30, 2012 15:16:16 GMT -5
Frankly, I am surprised that Helen has not stepped up to place the blame for Ford's associations on wait for it, . . . Prescott Bush.
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