Geoff
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Post by Geoff on Jan 1, 2013 1:55:40 GMT -5
Like I said, v2.0, less arguing, more science :-P
Plus, what else am I supposed to do at work, if not research petrology?
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metalsmith
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 1, 2013 5:33:04 GMT -5
Yes, I fully agree with Geoff's quotation - this is similar to both my thoughts and the stuff I've been reading. My initial thoughts some time ago were 'blueschist!' but there are obvious dissimilarities to the standard. As stated elsewhere imho the Blue G is 'blueschist facies' denoting a metamorphic grade rather than drawing a parallel with the navy blue coarse grained material. Just for info I've previously researched ophiolite complexes in both northern Scotland and Cyprus in the (dim distant) past.
I completely agree there are differences between your BlueG and blueschist - they are almost 'black and white'. Aside from colour, one of the differences that has not been dealt on so much, but has been briefly mentioned, is the crystal size, with BlueG exhibiting finer than might be expected of blueschist.
H2MM - I'm not so sure about your reference to lawsonite "conglomerate" - are you referring to the nodules that occur - or are you finding these nodules where they have been eroded and redeposited in sedimentary setting?
BTW - happy and prosperous year to all!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 11:11:28 GMT -5
Well, my "big hands" gotta say sumthin on the subject. I bought some of this "stuff" (if all else fails, call it stuff) when it was first offered on here because I wanted to try making my rings out of it. My rings have to be made out of some pretty tough stone to pass the test. The test is, install on little finger, whack said ring on a wooden table until finger say please stop. I have tested several of the blue "G" rings and my finger told me that I should not test any more. I am happy to say that none broke just like nephrite/jade. The color runs from wow beautiful to nnya but I have not had anyone say that the nnya was ugly. Just not as pretty. For the noobies on here that have not seen my rings check this out. It is the wow beautiful. I do not have a photo of the nnya so this only represents the high side. But like I said, none of it is ugly. IMHO I would not call it a gem because I always looked at "gem" as a faceted piece of rock. The stuff is great to work with because it drills quite easy and takes a great shine at 3000 diamond. I am happy with what I bought except for one small piece but the service I got when I bought it more than made up for it. I asked for thicker slabs for wide rings and they fixed me up. Geoff, thanks a lot for confusing me first thing in the new year. Gives me something to work on. Jim
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metalsmith
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 2, 2013 15:18:48 GMT -5
Sorry to be a pedant, but this is fundamental technical point ... a faceted (or otherwise shaped) piece of ROCK is a cabochon - but a (valued, rare and otherwise prequalified) faceted MINERAL is a gem'.
I think that's pretty much what you are saying, but wouldn't want to 'put words in your mouth'
Remembering this is the ROCK tumbling hobby forum and not the Gemological Institute of America and the rock is advocated for forming cabs... but I don't quite understand this insistence on 'gem' quality. It is only gem quality if gems can be successfully obtained from a gemmiferous ore.
I'm afraid that technical geology does get full of jargon. Sorry about that. Internationally accepted naming is a pseudonym for 'unambiguous'.
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Post by Pat on Jan 2, 2013 15:43:16 GMT -5
metalsmith, thanks for the clear language.
Sounds like a gem is a gem, and a rock is a rock. A rock is not a gem, nor a gem a rock. The GIA report clearly says this item is a rock.
To call a rock a gem or of gem quality is inaccurate.
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Post by parfive on Jan 2, 2013 19:16:29 GMT -5
Googled gem bone and RTH . . . got ~a thousand hits . . . no squawks. ;D
Wanna try morrisonite and Phil Stephenson?
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Don
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Post by Don on Jan 2, 2013 20:18:29 GMT -5
I think a good argument could be made that Gem can refer to a high grade of stone. I use that term frequently when describing a very fine quality piece of rough stone.
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itsandbits
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Post by itsandbits on Jan 2, 2013 21:35:21 GMT -5
any one ever heard the term "gemstone"
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 3, 2013 5:15:03 GMT -5
parfive: gembone - yeah, no problem - referring to smigel's gemology online course materials - the bone which has a defined chemical equation is in essence mineral. @samthesnowman - a high grade of rock can be fractionated to a single mineralogy, so yes, why not. Referring to a polymineralic rock? Technically not. A Yorkshire Terrier is a dog, but a dog isn't necessarily a Yorkshire Terrier. Common use might include valuable rocks but this is where care needs to be had since (see 7 million entries and growing on ebay) to describe something as gold is bad form (and potentially false advertising), since Gold refers to a material and would be misleading if there is no Au in the equation - but to call it gold-coloured / gold-metal / golden is cool. itsandbits - gemstone - a stone (rock) containing gems - a gemmiferous ore - possibly the gem itself: diamonds... frequently referred to as 'rocks': dictionary.reference.com/browse/rockdictionary.reference.com/browse/gemstoneI wonder if a lot of this confusion doesn't come from the use of the term 'stone' in definitions. However, of course, it has its own: dictionary.reference.com/browse/stoneI'm probably contradicting my own use of monomineralic rock somewhere in the annals (that's two 'n's) of the discussion...!
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Post by gingerkid on Jan 4, 2013 20:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:58:23 GMT -5
Scott: No, that was not aimed at you. I'll PM you after Christmas about your case. Christmas was a month ago. No PM. Ho hum. Oh well... just another promise made by Kris that he did not keep. The "had to prepare for quartzite" dodge is not effective. You knew about that when you typed this message.
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Jan 23, 2013 11:20:35 GMT -5
Dude, let it go and move on!
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Post by deb193redux on Jan 23, 2013 14:52:22 GMT -5
All other history of this situation aside, Shotgunner has a point in this regard.
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Jan 23, 2013 15:07:10 GMT -5
seems like beating a dead horse
if it were me I would just chalk it up to an experience to not repeat and move on
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Post by deb193redux on Jan 23, 2013 17:13:38 GMT -5
if the dead horse means that the situation is unlikely to see further resolution, then I agree the horse is dead.
However Shotgunner seems to be expressing a duty (as he see it) to warn, and an opportunity to underscore a pattern he had commented on earlier.
sometimes the import is in patterns and not individual transactions. patterns are realized over time. while I continue to be unable to say who is right or wrong in this dispute, I see the validity of Shotgunner pointing out the increased clarity of a pattern he feels is important.
in fact, no offense, but the very fact that some think he should shut up is perhaps to underscore the importance of his continued vocalizations.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 23, 2013 17:41:19 GMT -5
I have been following this thread from the beginning. I know there are some legitimate issues between a few. They might best be left private, but that's just my opinion.
I am happy to add that I didn't let the drama stop me from buying some blue G, which I did. I haven't cabbed it, yet, but I am very happy with how it looks. I'm also more than fine with the speedy service that I got and great communication. The price... I don't know. I'll have to see how it cabs, before I can say if I like it for the price. It is a really beautiful blue, though. I got a sample pack and 2 slabs of grade A.
On the issue of the word "gem" being used. My opinion is- if it is clearly cabbing material, then calling something gem or gemmy is just a common way of saying "the good stuff". Like, if I said that I got a gem of a deal, then you would know that I got a good deal. Gemstone, to me indicates a crystal type of material that lends itself to faceting. Clearly, this lawsonite isn't a gemstone; rather, it is good (cabbing) lawsonite; or, gem lawsonite.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Jan 23, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5
please don't take my post as a "shut-up" its more like move on away from the misery of a percieved bad deal
I still say let it go as no matter the reason for keeping it going you cannot stop people from purchasing or having an interest in it
Sorry he got the short end of the stick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 14:54:27 GMT -5
Daniel is dead on.
This guy Kris makes promises, and the only ones he keeps are when he needs to send rocks. In my experience, once they are sent, never will another promise be kept.
He is a self-proclaimed huckster. His words not mine.
I have never had a bad deal with anyone in the lapidary industry save Kris. The fact he publicly announces he will contact me about my transaction, seemingly in the essence of resolution, but fails to keep that promise speaks volumes. It means to me he never meant to follow thru and his goal was to make all readers think "oh, it's over now". My post was meant to illustrate that was not the truth. He just lies over lies.
Some folks still want to buy from a person of that character. That's perfectly fine with me. But there are a constant flow of newbies and keeping these things open allows them to be informed.
Don't worry, if you end up needing to complain, he is not likely to threaten lawsuit as he did with me.
Nothing would please me more than my being able to say it's resolved, but that is out of my control.
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Post by deb193redux on Jan 24, 2013 17:02:49 GMT -5
please don't take my post as a "shut-up" its more like move on away from the misery of a percieved bad deal... ... yes, sorry, I should have said "move on" and not substituted a bolder phrasing.
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itsandbits
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Post by itsandbits on Jan 24, 2013 19:26:38 GMT -5
Daniel is dead on. This guy Kris makes promises, and the only ones he keeps are when he needs to send rocks. In my experience, once they are sent, never will another promise be kept. He is a self-proclaimed huckster. His words not mine. I have never had a bad deal with anyone in the lapidary industry save Kris. The fact he publicly announces he will contact me about my transaction, seemingly in the essence of resolution, but fails to keep that promise speaks volumes. It means to me he never meant to follow thru and his goal was to make all readers think "oh, it's over now". My post was meant to illustrate that was not the truth. He just lies over lies. Some folks still want to buy from a person of that character. That's perfectly fine with me. But there are a constant flow of newbies and keeping these things open allows them to be informed. Don't worry, if you end up needing to complain, he is not likely to threaten lawsuit as he did with me. Nothing would please me more than my being able to say it's resolved, but that is out of my control. your deal maybe going bad doesn't give you the right to slander other people that have nothing but good things to say about the vendor and his goods; now I start to question your character.
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