jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Oct 8, 2013 13:13:08 GMT -5
About 40 miles south of Lake George Florida.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 8, 2013 13:18:51 GMT -5
That looks like some good eatin' and a few hatbands. But I don't think I'd be holding it up with the head still on it. They can swing that head around and nail you even after they are dead. I've seen a recently deceased headless one strike at someone.
That's gotta be about the biggest one I have ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 13:46:14 GMT -5
Jean, notice the guy is holding the tongs forward towards the camera. That makes the snake look bigger. I will say, I believe that is a big old male at well over 4 foot. Maybe even 5, but not 10 like it seems in the image.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 8, 2013 13:49:34 GMT -5
Tongs? I thought he was holding it up on a shovel. Agreed, it's not as big as it looks. Still, big enough!
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Post by rolanstones on Oct 8, 2013 14:25:10 GMT -5
At least 15 years old, and held closer to the camera or not, still the biggest I have ever seen. Much darker pattern than I see in the desert. I would be inclined to clean the head to skeletal, and keep that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 14:33:18 GMT -5
You can't count the rattles to age the snake. They get a new rattle segment every time they shed their skin. Adults shed 2-3 times a year and babies 4-6 times. That said, there is also no way to know how many rattles that snake has produced in it's lifetime. The first 5-6 rattles of life are smaller and taper to a point. This example is simply broken off full sized. Jean, you are right, not tongs. Maybe even a gloved hand. rolanstones - agreed, that would make a very nice skeletal preparation. It is an Eastern Diamondback Crotalus adamanteous). Just curious, where do you live?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 8, 2013 15:01:03 GMT -5
If that's a shovel, the snake is about half the width of it. Five inches in diameter? You can see a blue handle underneath the shovel head, his left hand on said handle. No gloves that I can see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 15:21:38 GMT -5
OK shovel - you took the perspective away. Now folks can see it aint 10' long!
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Post by garock on Oct 8, 2013 17:32:20 GMT -5
Once when living at home, a black snake ran between my legs while I was picking up apples under the tree. I had on "brogan" boots, short and over weight at the time, I picked the boots up and put them down fast. Stomped two of my Dad's egg plants and knocked down some okra. If I saw something like that big snake, I would probably pass out !
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Oct 8, 2013 18:10:27 GMT -5
I think I would have taken a photo and let it live. He's a beauty.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 8, 2013 18:19:11 GMT -5
That guy is friends with a couple that bought a dog from my wife so i have no details or conversation w/him. And the couple posted on Facebook and my wife recognized the dog owner. Just looked like a big Diamondback on a shovel to me. The interesting point to me is that it is in the great sand forest where the gopher turtles dig some of the finest rattlesnake nests. They are all over the 300,000 acre Ocala National (sand) Forest. There must be 1000 miles if trails in the forest( more than). My camp shares a property line w/it and i have old ATV's and trail bikes to ride the trails. Lots of turtle hills and lots of rattlers. Spot a turtle hill and check it for snake tracks in the sugar sand. You can tell if it's a hoss or a two footer. Me, i stay away.
You might break the 100 yard dash if you saw that one Frankie. I almost stepped on a giant Moccasin once. It so scared me so bad.
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Post by rolanstones on Oct 8, 2013 20:38:22 GMT -5
You can't count the rattles to age the snake. They get a new rattle segment every time they shed their skin. Adults shed 2-3 times a year and babies 4-6 times. rolanstones - agreed, that would make a very nice skeletal preparation. It is an Eastern Diamondback Crotalus adamanteous). Just curious, where do you live?Thank you Scott, that is one more false bit of trivia that got stuck in my head that i can delete now. The shedding correlation makes complete sense. If it was me you were asking about location, I am in SoCal, but I spend alot of time in the desert north of Blythe.
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Post by bhiatt on Oct 8, 2013 21:43:13 GMT -5
that thing is badass. I dont know much about snakes but this one seems big size for rattler. Couldnt you find a zoo or somebody to buy that thing since its so big? Instead of killin it.
Its pattern looks like barbed wire
Looks like its been eating gophers.
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Post by panamark on Oct 8, 2013 22:29:59 GMT -5
That is a thick one. One question: how did he kill it. I don't see a severed head or body, nor any gunshot wounds. Maybe he just grabbed it and strangled it, LOL.
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Post by quartz on Oct 8, 2013 23:02:02 GMT -5
We've seen a few rattlers in the brush, but nothing like that. Carol generally sends me out ahead of her if we are in a place where we have to walk single file, says "go ahead, snake bait". She just said she wouldn't send me out at all if there were rattlers that big around; comforting statement.
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Post by panamark on Oct 8, 2013 23:04:42 GMT -5
Ahh but quartz, don't you know that it is always the second in line that the snake bites, ha. Actually there is a bit of truth in that.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 9, 2013 6:37:46 GMT -5
I personally would have gone to great risk to capture and relocate that snake. I am just a messenger. That snake may be alive for all i know.
However, if he was about to escape into a hole and all i could do is let him get away on my property or kill him, i would kill him. I will not share space with that one. But it would upset me very much that i killed it.
From an article:
As many as 50% of bites by rattlesnakes are 'dry bites' where no venom is injected. Many folk remedies for snakebite came about because no venom was injected to begin with.
Symptoms include, but are not limited to pain, severe swelling, bruising, blistering, headache, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhea, dizziness, collapse or convulsions, Yellow vision; paraesthesia/numbness of digits, metallic taste in mouth, fasciculations, and/or death.
Snake Envenomations
1. I am not a doctor, this is not medical advice. 2. This is a constantly evolving article. Do not consider it as being complete or comprehensive.
If bitten by a venomous snake, seek immediate medical care from a qualified and licensed physician.
What happens to your body when a rattlesnake bites you?
Venom, a complex mixture of proteins and enzymes enters your body either subcutaneously or intramuscularly.
Depending on species, any of the following may occur:
Neurotoxins may travel through the lymphatic system and begin to work on your nervous system, causing muscle paralysis.
Hemotoxins begin to break down your blood and tissue.
Nephrotoxins may travel to your kidneys and cause acute tubular necrosis, breaking down the tubes that carry waste from your blood to your bladder.
Cardiotoxins may affect your heart muscles.
Muscle fibers from necrosing flesh may enter your bloodstream and affect your kidneys in a condition called Rhabdomyolysis.
CK (Creatine Kinase) levels in the bloodstream rise because of muscle damage. This is the same thing that happens when one has a heart attack.
The area around the bite fills with excess fluid in a condition called edema. A bruising or discoloration from damaged capillaries occurs called Ecchymoses.
Large blood blisters called hemorraghic blebs, from bleeding under the skin, may form around the bite site.
As your blood cells are destroyed, a condition called thrombocytopenia, the ability of the body to transfer oxygen to the kidneys is reduced, also causing acute tubular necrosis in the kidneys. Blood pressure drops to dangerous levels.
The venom causes fibrinogen in the blood stream to form clots, depleting the blood's supply of fibrinogen. Once these initial clots form, the rest of the blood is without clotting ability and the danger of free-bleeding increases. This is called Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation, or DIC.
"Third Spacing" may occur. This is when intercellular fluids are used by the body to replace water lost through vomiting and diarrhea. The body is essentially re-hydrating itself by using water from inside cells.
In VERY FEW bites, compartmental pressures rise in the affected area causing "compartment syndrome" In these rare cases surgical cuts may be necessary to releive compartmental pressure and allow blood flow through the affected limb, and to decrease the chance of random tearing of tissue. This is EXTREMELY rare, and compartment syndrome is very difficult to distinguish from the normal symptoms of snakebite. Again, this is NOT medical advice, but I can say that IF I were bitten by a rattlesnake and my physician were considering a fasciotomy, I would ask my doctor to measure the compartmental pressures with a tonometer (this is very painful, by the way) and I would only consider giving my permission for a fasciotomy if MY compartmental pressures were greater than 30 mm/hg for two or more hours.
In some cases a severe allergic reaction may occur. Anaphylaxis occurs when the body's immune system begins to over-compensate the production of antibodies in reaction to the presence of a foreign protein. In cases of anaphylactic reactions the person may exhibit hives, cyanosis (a bluish discoloration to the face) swelling of the throat causing an inability to breath, and the possibility of death within minutes.
Involuntary muscle twitching, known as fasciculations may occur.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 9, 2013 6:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Oct 9, 2013 6:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by panamark on Oct 9, 2013 8:56:27 GMT -5
I personally would have gone to great risk to capture and relocate that snake. I am just a messenger. That snake may be alive for all i know. However, if he was about to escape into a hole and all i could do is let him get away on my property or kill him, i would kill him. I will not share space with that one. But it would upset me very much that i killed it. Yeah James, I am with you on that. One of my favorite rockhounding spots involves climbing down a canyon. Sometimes it also involves navigating around a rattlesnake. (Keeps the rock poachers out, LOL) I try to go on cool/cold days. I make a lot of noise and go slow, and most of them move out before I get to them. The ones I see seem to want to avoid any hassle with me as much as I want to avoid them. Since I figure I am encroaching on their living room, I don't kill any. But it does make for a more exciting rock hunt. Now if there is a poisonous snake in a place that I or my dogs will be frequenting, the snake will either be relocated or retired. Too risky otherwise.
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