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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 11:42:22 GMT -5
hahaha Sorry. Short memory but I now remember telling you to tell your husband to move the bucket closer to the highbanker. Jim
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 6, 2013 17:36:04 GMT -5
That alkali soil burns my acid loving skin off. At least in Texas it did. Thought i had nougahyde for an epidermis till caliche dissolved my outer layer. Yes, the soil here is very alkali, as is the water. Skin moisturizers are in order. And there is so much disolved calcium and salts in the water, you cannot let a washed car air dry, unless you like the spotted look. Very hard water. I just washed the truck (again), so I know. Much quicker this time, since it was waxed the last time. Ran the concentrates from the weekend's activities through the Desert Fox last night. There was four teeny-tiny bits of gold, not worth even taking a photo of. But on the positive side, the weather was abso-effing-lutely perfect, the folks were all very nice, and we got out of Dodge for a couple days. If you're gonna prospect, don't quit your day job. Expect lots of hard work for very little return. You gotta do it for the love of it. Yeah, I'll do it again, ha!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 6, 2013 18:43:21 GMT -5
Having a good time. Millionaires are often miserable. Poor folks playing stick ball in the street as happy as humans get. You had a load a fun-more power to ya.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 6, 2013 18:53:13 GMT -5
James, I mostly agree with that sentiment. However, I am a realist, and know that money is necessary to pay the bills. I don't think being a millionaire would change me (maybe some day I'll find out?), I would certainly have a lot less things to worry about.
They say money can't buy you happiness, but you can sure rent some for awhile, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 19:40:31 GMT -5
The way I heard it was "money does not buy you happiness but it lets you look for it in a lot better places".
Come to Wyoming Jean. I can guarantee gold. Same hard work but there is water and the mountains are green. You still won't get rich though unless, as always, you are lucky. Jim
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Post by Tonyterner on Nov 7, 2013 8:53:33 GMT -5
Great pics Jean, looks like you had a great time.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 7, 2013 10:05:39 GMT -5
Jim, Wyoming sounds nice, but... you forget that I don't handle cold well. It was 47 degrees yesterday morning, and the heater kicked on. Despite the cold start, the high yesterday was 86 degrees. A gorgeous day! Supposed to have the same weather pattern for today, before the high pressure over the four corners breaks down and we cool off a few degrees. I will take this weather everyday I can get it!
Thanks, Tony. Too bad you and your bride will not be making the trip to the North Cadys. We'll catch up with you in Quartzsite in January!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 7, 2013 10:18:22 GMT -5
Jean was meant for Alabama Jim. That is what she will be reincarnated as. She had to leave Alabama and hide in the desert. Alabama had her though. She just could not take it.
She would of been thrown out eventually. All the hills would be leveled by her high bankers. Looks like half the desert blew away in one weekend.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 7, 2013 10:25:40 GMT -5
James, the owners of the American Girl Mine are responsible for the large tailings piles, and chopped down landscapes, lol. Not a handful (or a couple handfulls) of recreational drywashers.
The winters in Alabama are a little cold for me, James. If I did go back, say for just a visit, I'm sure my suthun accent would return in no time! But I am a Southern Californian, through and through, that's where I am at home. I am like your wimpy dogs, give me 75 to 120 degrees, and I'm happy. Maybe I need to move to Africa...
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Post by rolanstones on Nov 7, 2013 11:17:40 GMT -5
Sorry if this is off topic, but since you obviously enjoy prospecting, I have a related question. Over many years of sluicing with my Dad, we collected a reasonable amount of very fine gold, which for reasons I do not understand, he proceeded to keep and place in a good sized bottle of Mercury. Does anyone know how to separate the Mercury leaving the gold without killing myself in the process?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 7, 2013 11:55:23 GMT -5
No problem, Scott. Funny that you should bring that up. Recently, we had a guy in our prospectors club telling us about gold that he had sluiced from a river in northern California. The gold was contaminated with mercury. He had actually seen blobs/globs of liquid mercury ("quicksilver") in the river!! I'm sure this has come about from the years of miners using it to process their gold, and allowing it to just run off into the river. They had no idea back then how harmful this stuff was, and many were poisoned by it. Made them "mad as hatters." What you need to safely separate the mercury from the gold is a mercury retort. It is basically a short length of rectangular tubing (2 x 4 x 8 inches), closed off at both ends, with a 3/8" stainless tube running diagonally through it, extending out top and bottom. Steel plate is used to close the ends, and the tank gets sealed up, except for a threaded metal cap (it gets filled with water). At the upper end of the tube is another metal cap, hanging down. You place your mercury/gold amalgam into a metal cup that gets screwed into this. Place a bowl (we use stainless steel) with some water in it underneath the tubing coming out. You now heat the amalgam chamber up with a torch to just under something like 700 degrees (mercury vaporizes at 675 degrees). The mercury vapor will leave the gold, and go into the tubing, travleing down the pipe, through the cooling tank, where it returns to a liquid state. It drops out the end of the tube into the water, where you can recover it. All of these steps MUST be done outside in a well ventilated area. You do not operate it when it is windy, or there are other variables that can cause problems. Never use it upwind of people, or near water supplies. Theoretically, it should be 100% safe, but you always want to take all precautions. Okay, now is this what you pictured? You can Google mercury retort, there are a lot of them for sale online, but they all basically work the same way. Since you are only going to need to use one once, you probably wouldn't want to buy one. You may want to get hooked up with a prospecting club. Jean
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Post by docone31 on Nov 7, 2013 13:44:49 GMT -5
You gonna need some fire to keep the gold. It is a mess no matter what you do. You could send it to a refiner, another though.
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Post by rolanstones on Nov 7, 2013 16:02:42 GMT -5
Thank you Jean! The temperature info is very helpful as well. A bit complicated, but i knew this would not be a simple process. The water in the condensation area makes sense. (I think I was picturing alot of coils like a still). I want to keep the Mercury so i will need to figure out how to construct something like this on the cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 16:25:58 GMT -5
I think I would put ICED WATER in the exhaust area. No mercury escapes that. And because I am paranoid, I'd run the exhaust tub a foot down into an ice tea pitcher of ice water! The then bubbles have 1 foot of very cold temps to go thru before they escape. I would be very comfortable with that.
Or you could put a coil of stainless steel tube in a bucket of ice water and use a black iron pipe for the boil off part of the retort.
Does mapp gas get hot enough to make the gold form a melted bead? Or do we need oxy-acetylene?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 7, 2013 17:47:15 GMT -5
First Scott, you're welcome. The mercury will condense inside the tube as it cools, there should be (theoretically) no mercury vapor at that temp to escape to the atmosphere. You will recover all the mercury from the container of water. All the gold stays inside the amalgam chamber. After letting the unit cool down naturally (do not quench!!), you unscrew the chamber, and dump out the gold. Since you did not get it hot enough to melt gold (1948 degrees F), it is not a button yet. You have more work to do.
Put the recovered gold in a crucible, add some borax as flux, and heat it up with a torch. The flux will pull the impurities (any left over black sand, etc) away and you will get your shiny gold button. You may have to hit it to knock the slag off.
Second Scott, yes, I didn't mention that, but we did use cold water (or water and some ice cubes) in the water tank. The outside of the tank was sweating because of the cold. While this is not essential, I guess every bit helps. We also left the cap off the water tank after filling it, the better to be able to stick your finger in and check the temp. It did not heat up when we did it, but I guess if you are doing a large quantity/heating for an extended period of time, it could feasibly warm up the water, and make it less effective at condensing the mercury vapor.
You do not want the output tube to go below the water. The reason being that when it cools, it can (theoretically) suck water back up that tube into the HOT amalgam chamber. That could be a problem, you do not want to do that. Allowing the liquid mercury to drop an inch into the water is not going to be an issue. For heating, the first time we used it we employed a propane torch, like what you would use for plumbing. An oxy-acetylene torch can also be used.
The most important thing is to use it out-of-doors (not in an enclosed space), where there is plenty of fresh air. A friend of mine found three young men dead in the cab of their truck when they decided to use a retort inside of the truck because it was cold outside. I would not have liked to have come across that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 19:23:06 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by pghram on Nov 7, 2013 23:44:31 GMT -5
What a beautiful golden sunset.
Rich
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Post by Woodyrock on Nov 8, 2013 2:17:34 GMT -5
Any mercury you find in rivers like the American WILL have gold in it.
Back in the sixties I was stationed at El Centro..the Cargo Muchacos were a favourite place to to explore old mines. One of them had such a rich vein, it had been 'robbed' (too much ore removed)to the extent it looked like stalagmites meeting stalactites down to about two inches or less in the middle. All the mines there had the last working face bored, with wood plugs in the bore holes waiting to go back to work at wars end. Woody
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 8, 2013 10:07:26 GMT -5
Woody, there's still lots of old mines there. We were warned by the guy that put this trip on that there were a lot of open holes in the ground. He said he dropped a rock into one, and I forget how many seconds he said it took to hit, but I'm thinking he said it was at least 300 feet deep?
When the area was actively mined years ago, there was no MSHA (Mine Safety and Health Administration) overseeing things. Some of those miners were so focused on the prize, they didn't always do things safely and took a lot of risks.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 8, 2013 14:23:17 GMT -5
Looks like you had a lot of fun. Just to bad the gold gods were not nicer to you.
In the creeks in BC were I prospect, I find mercury and mercury covered gold. I don't worry about it. I just add it to the vile with the rest. I will let the refiner take care of it.
Its just to bad that the eco nuts have talked the governments into ban small none commercial dredging. This is the only way to rid the creeks and rivers of the mercury lost and left behind by the old miners. I seen an article once about the large amounts of mercury and lead bullets that a local club had removed from a creek. I believe it was many 5 gallon buckets full.
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