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Post by captbob on Dec 22, 2014 16:46:57 GMT -5
I have a HP24 saw out in my shed and when I open the lid after a cut, I vacate the shed while the mist dissipates. Unless I allow quite a bit of time for it to settle before opening the lid, the mist is pretty significant.
I am in the market for a smaller saw (or two). Thinking maybe 14" or slightly smaller - maybe a 10 and a 14.
My question is how bad is the oil mist compared to the 24?
Could I set up the saw in my garage? Not a "normal" garage, more like a storage room with a very large door. Meaning, I wouldn't want things out there covered in an oil film.
I have a small 6" trim saw on one of my HP units out there that I use with no cover and it uses oil (mineral oil) and that isn't a problem.
Opinions and comments appreciated.
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Post by bsky4463 on Dec 22, 2014 16:53:16 GMT -5
I put about a half of a jar of No Smoke in 5 gal bucket of oil....really cuts down if not eliminates the mist in all of my saws 10-18"...cheers
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 22, 2014 18:02:12 GMT -5
Covington 10 inch saw blows mist all over my garage from the huge openings in he side of the cover. I have to hang a towel over the top and use a sheet of cardboard to help contain it and I use no smoke too. Dang thing also has no effective lip on the table so oil leaks all over the floor too if you don't put the saw on an enclosed cart like I have mine. Leaks off the front even with the towels, cardboard, and cart so I place containers under the front of the cart to catch those drops. Overall, just a poorly designed saw IMHO. Used to have a Lortone 14 inch drop saw. May as well use that one in a bathing suit. So, messy my wife almost divorced me. I didn't throw just mist, it threw big ole droplets everywhere..Mel
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Post by captbob on Dec 22, 2014 18:37:28 GMT -5
That doesn't sound promising.
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Post by cabjunky on Dec 22, 2014 19:16:39 GMT -5
I would try the bardahl no smoke, it wont eliminate the misting, but it sure cuts down on it. I tend to use the whole bottle for 5 gallons of new oil. The filtered stuff i just dump back in, the bags dont seem to filter it out. Good luck.
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Post by bsky4463 on Dec 22, 2014 20:59:27 GMT -5
I would try the bardahl no smoke, it wont eliminate the misting, but it sure cuts down on it. I tend to use the whole bottle for 5 gallons of new oil. The filtered stuff i just dump back in, the bags dont seem to filter it out. Good luck. I would agree. I recycle oil thru paper bags too and it does not seem to filter out the additive. But I mix recycled oil 50/50 w new oil that is treated w bardahl.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Dec 22, 2014 21:00:47 GMT -5
I drape two old bath towels over my 14" saw to capture any mist. I have run it in my attached garage for three years with no mist on anything in there. The towels eventually get soaked and need replaced but second hand stores and garage sales are good sources for what they are used for.
Chuck
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Post by Roger on Dec 22, 2014 22:42:45 GMT -5
Does the "no smoke" change the viscosity of the cutting oil?
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Post by bsky4463 on Dec 22, 2014 23:01:09 GMT -5
Roger I cannot say scientifically, but from practical experience I have had no adverse affect to the additive. I use Chevron's BrightCut as a lubricant. link. Cheers
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 22, 2014 23:26:52 GMT -5
To help protect the items in my Shop building from getting coated with oil mist I bought a 10' wide roll of plastic and made a long curtain in two directions by stapling the plastic sheet to the wooden rafters. Also I have to drape large rags over the lid seams of my Lortone 10", 12", and 14" saws, but not on the 18" Lortone. Also have to on the 20" Covington. The saws are in the same building as my kiln so I haven't been able to fire my kiln since I started sawing in there for obvious fire hazard reasons. So I've been thinking about building a lean-to shed on the side of the building and putting an exhaust fan to pull air and mist out on the far end. And maybe some type of air filtering system similar to what they use in spray booths. I should have just gone ahead and done this years ago once I realized slabbing is an untreatable addiction! Larry C.
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Post by quartz on Dec 22, 2014 23:56:08 GMT -5
I run two 16" saws and use hydraulic fluid for lube/coolant; never have seen any mist. Personally, wouldn't put up with it.
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Post by DirtCleaner on Dec 23, 2014 9:27:49 GMT -5
This is just a re-labeled product but here is one (of many) places to purchase "oil mist eliminator." lapidarysupplies.com/catalog_pages_2014/page_31.pdf $11.50 per pint. I run my saw in my basement with this and it has eliminated my misting problems. I put about 1/4 bottle in my 12" Lortone saw.
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 23, 2014 9:43:00 GMT -5
Dang, I tried Wal Mart hydraulic fluid in my old 20" saw for a coolant and it was way too viscous. Didn't work worth a darn for me. Guess some types must be thinner than what I had. " No Smoke" is kind of thick but I've noticed no problems with adding a bit to the oil....Mel
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Post by captbob on Dec 23, 2014 9:52:37 GMT -5
Some kinda "mist eliminator" may be helpful. Thanks for the heads up on that stuff.
And some towels. And a shower curtain. And... I wonder what they ever did with that Dome of Silence from the old Get Smart TV show.
I guess where there is a will, there's a way.
Maybe time to think on rearranging the shed to fit more saws, but I would rather them be in the garage for easier access if I can keep the garage oil free.
Thought about a rolling cart to move the saw out in the driveway when cutting, but not so sure the neighbors would be too keen on that. And, the gabby neighbor would never leave me alone.
Interesting how there are pretty much no reviews on Barranca Diamond saws on the internet. Oh, you can buy them in a dozen or more places, but no reviews, forum type posts or even pictures other than the stock factory photo.
ETA: I use food grade mineral oil. Bought a 55 gal barrel of it, so I won't be changing to a different oil anytime in this lifetime.
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 23, 2014 10:43:33 GMT -5
my "14" doesn't have much of a mist..... I just use recycled mineral oil from electrical transformers... But my saw is outdoors,so maybe I don't notice the mist as much-if there is any.... good luck..
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Post by johnjsgems on Dec 23, 2014 20:16:12 GMT -5
Barranca keeps improving their larger saws so you would need recent reviews. Last year they added bearings to the carriage instead of sliding on polished tubes. Also they plated the tubes and zinc coated all the cast iron castings to enable test labs to use water soluble coolants. I don't think I've heard of any of my customers having issues with any of the 18"-30" saws I've sold. Some of the older models I would hear complaints of the carriage not sliding due to gummed up tubes. You had to clean or at least spray down the tubes occasionally with WD 40 or similar to keep everything sliding smoothly. They do use Baldor motors and enough horse power to work well. They include a good blade too. I sell several brands but in my opinion the BD is the best.
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Post by captbob on Dec 23, 2014 23:09:25 GMT -5
John, can you address the thread topic regarding the 10 & 14 inch models? Have you used either saw enough to have a feel for how much mist one has to deal with? I guess I'm asking if they are garage or shed saws. Does the 10" have any openings in the cover? I can't find a single picture of the opposite side of the saw with a cover on. As I said, not many pictures (or reviews) to be found anywhere on these models other than the factory pics and spec sheets.
I see you still have a used 10" on your website. Still $895 after all this time?
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Post by Peruano on Dec 24, 2014 9:43:14 GMT -5
Any of the No Smoke analogs will help. I use Napa because its cheaper. It only takes a bit and will not affect viscosity noticeably. Here in New Mexico we have natural dust to absorb some of that mist deposit. A scattering of oil dri absorbant compound on the floor helps, as to carpet samples to snag some of those drips. Try the setup before you limit yourself to the outer shed. Tom
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Post by johnjsgems on Dec 26, 2014 20:24:21 GMT -5
I've only used the BD10 with EZ Cut water soluble. The hood encloses top. It leaked a little around table when the BD guy over filled it. The Covington saw has an optional enclosed hood (no hand cut-outs) which may help. Most saws will leak somewhere no matter how well they are designed. Don't over fill saw, keep blade well dressed, use a slow feed rate, and use a quality oil. Don't open hood immediately after shut down. The No Smoke is supposed to work well but I have not tried it. My last oil saw was an HP24 with a pump. I used Pella and it did not mist. Stunk to high heaven but did not mist.
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Post by johnjsgems on Dec 27, 2014 20:31:32 GMT -5
I checked on the used BD10. No longer available. I may not have one at Quartzsite either as they notified me they are waiting for castings and may not have saws in time. Hopefully by Tucson. Anybody at Quartzsite that wants to see one in action Bert the jeweler on the end of our old row has the prototype BD10. They gave it to him to test for them before releasing the new saws to find any bugs. He has been running it like crazy for several years now.
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