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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 19:24:29 GMT -5
Upfront all the way.your fire pits are industrial quality and the nameplate states that....it says that you have pride in your work,and want any and everyone to know.two thumbs up. Dave
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Post by mohs on Dec 28, 2015 19:34:06 GMT -5
did I miss something? what the numbers stand for? is it your edited phone number ?
I'd like to buy one James someday!
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 28, 2015 21:28:36 GMT -5
Looks like you have it under control James................Liking your shop area,lots of room...........
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Post by bushmanbilly on Dec 28, 2015 21:54:19 GMT -5
Sweet fire pits. I bet they throw good heat. As for the advertising tag. There top of the line. People need to know who built them, and where to get it. Now you just need to add a swing away grill. Nothing better than camp fire food. Plus a grill keep the sparks down. And drunks from falling in.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 28, 2015 23:05:44 GMT -5
With something like your fire pit the label isn't so much an ad as it's the artist's signature. It should be out there loud and proud.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 30, 2015 4:58:39 GMT -5
I must have welded up 300 over the past 5 years. In that period of time careful attention to ergonomics and tool placement has been a focus. List of tools Ground and welding stinger 4.5 inch hand grinder 5/7 inch hand grinder 3 inch wire wheel mounted on hand grinder 6 inch wire wheel mounted on hand grinder torch pressure washer 8 inch bench grinder stool to the east stool to the west rotary work table layout arm to spin marks attached to rotary work table occasional hammer, soft mallet, weld clamp cut-off saw
So there is basically 5 work stations around the work table. Each with it's own table, stool, tool hanger 1) layout of center points and attachment locations 2) welding 3) torching 4) buffing and grinding bowl 5) touch-up grinding and buffing welds and weld splatter
After completion pit is rolled 10 feet away to be pressure washed
Tools are all the best quality and lightest of weight.
Work stations arranged in a counter clockwise order.
Ends up being brainless activity, in any state of mind. Just an old school production welding set up.
Customers are mostly urban/suburban white collar socially active professionals with family. Most have SUV's and kids. Most have had cheap fire pits from the box stores that have rusted through. Most sales are pick ups at the farm.
Recently about 30% of sales are word of mouth, so the importance of the label. Most word of mouth is a referral to Etsy shop, and they tell them to search shop name.
Using the name Atlanta in the title 'Firepitsatlanta' generates a lot of local Etsy shoppers whom contact me thru Etsy. Asking if they can come shop/purchase w/out shipping. Etsy represents the bulk of the sales, and most are local folks. Atlanta and surround is 5-6 million people.
For those selling rocks and jewelry that live close to a large population Etsy shop titles including the name of the populous is a consideration. Mention large inventory and showroom. People like to visit home business.
In process of setting up an account with Houzz, sort of an Etsy of home furnishings. A bit concerned that Houzz will be top selling route over Craig's List and Etsy. Most of the competition advertises thru Houzz.
Not so sure a website can compete with these selling sites for many products. They have an 'in' with the search engines.
LOL, just did a search, 'firepitsatlanta' and noticed my local competitor(S&S Fire Pits) put 'fire pits Atlanta' in his key words and bumped me somehow. He is a computer wizard unlike me. Half a dozen other local outdoor equipment operations with 'fire pits atlanta' in their title. Ha, you guys are making me famous/cavalier. It appears that my Etsy shop did not come up on first page, however my incomplete Houzz listing did. I think Houzz is his primary outlet. Shame shame, I believe the ole boy is playing hard ball. Bet ya I have a Houzz shop set up and running by weeks end. He started it. I mingle w/my customers, they talk, I listen. Getting feedback... Tells me I am giving him a run. I think he sells more than I do. But pays workers, has a retail shop, travels to festivals every other weekend. They call that overhead/headaches. Been thinking about paying the young buck a visit dude drop in style. Bet he will be red faced. Wife says no LOL. OK, me won't.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 30, 2015 5:56:47 GMT -5
Pat, I will be asking my customers their opinion about the label location. In the end, they will make the decision. Easy to make them with label in both locations on duplicate models and ask them which one they prefer. Have been doing this type of questioning for years on different and prototype models. There is no prototypes left, they all got purchased. People have such different tastes.
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Post by mohs on Dec 30, 2015 9:04:54 GMT -5
your on entrepreneurial kills will catch on like fire james ! someday I'll say: I knew him when he was just a rock grinder... ha
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Post by Intheswamp on Dec 30, 2015 9:22:18 GMT -5
..and I'll say I knew him when he was busting rocks. Not necessarily on the "chain gang", but...
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 30, 2015 12:01:23 GMT -5
I am sure you have plenty of ideas, I hope you don't mind I put a pic of one me and a buddy made in NM. We used horse shoes, swinging grate and frame to hold pot holders and a few slabs of elk. It was made out of an old propane tank
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Post by captbob on Dec 30, 2015 12:23:39 GMT -5
I kinda like the horse shoe idea.
Maybe not necessarily as shown above, but somehow incorporated into the build. Maybe even one for good luck welded to the outside of the pit.
Could become a logo of sorts.
ETA: you pushing the lids with the pits James? Seems like they would be an easy sell. What percentage of your customers are springing for lids? How much extra is a lid? What about the cooking grates, working on that angle much?
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Post by quartz on Dec 30, 2015 14:54:31 GMT -5
I like the tag on the outside idea, lets people know you are real vs. fly-by-nighter, and proud of your quality. I have a collection of those industrial part tags housed in a nice display case. captbob, when you buy a car, tell 'em $50 bucks a year for the advertising space, or the frames come off, or you won't buy the vehicle. We bought a new Chev in '75, the looney salesman actually broke into a mechanics tool box to get a screwdriver, to enable him to remove the license frames.
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Post by captbob on Dec 30, 2015 16:36:38 GMT -5
Larry, I tell them that I will keep their license plate frame on for 6 months if I'm happy. It comes off in one, that's all I'm advertising for them.
I was talking about the sticker or emblem they usually put on the paint. Will NOT accept a vehicle if they put that sticker on.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 30, 2015 17:05:32 GMT -5
I am sure you have plenty of ideas, I hope you don't mind I put a pic of one me and a buddy made in NM. We used horse shoes, swinging grate and frame to hold pot holders and a few slabs of elk. It was made out of an old propane tank The original tank end type fire pits were born out west toiv0. Probably the Cowboy grill was where it all started. Texas, lots of dry wood and beef. I believe they packed them out on horses to the desert when hunting and camping. Knowing Texans they had 50 T-bones packed too. Sweet grill and thanks for sharing. Big selection of accessories hanging, and you could dry boots and clothes with the high rack. The high rack is a must do. Looks like a hand cranked winch ? Does it raise and lower the rack ? Love the horse shoes. the whole design focus around the heat. to fine
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Post by jamesp on Dec 30, 2015 17:10:59 GMT -5
I kinda like the horse shoe idea. Maybe not necessarily as shown above, but somehow incorporated into the build. Maybe even one for good luck welded to the outside of the pit. Could become a logo of sorts. ETA: you pushing the lids with the pits James? Seems like they would be an easy sell. What percentage of your customers are springing for lids? How much extra is a lid? What about the cooking grates, working on that angle much? The lids are sold with about 60% of the pits. Real popular. lid is $120-$160 depending on size of pit. Got Ebay grates. One model is a giveaway with purchase of a pit. Request for grates less than 10%. Most folks have grills.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 30, 2015 17:16:47 GMT -5
I like the tag on the outside idea, lets people know you are real vs. fly-by-nighter, and proud of your quality. I have a collection of those industrial part tags housed in a nice display case. captbob, when you buy a car, tell 'em $50 bucks a year for the advertising space, or the frames come off, or you won't buy the vehicle. We bought a new Chev in '75, the looney salesman actually broke into a mechanics tool box to get a screwdriver, to enable him to remove the license frames. We collect a few of those labels too Larry. Bet they are cool in a display. I still have to get customer feedback about the label. Gotta make them happy. Spent $350 on a hundred, guessing they will not go to waste.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 30, 2015 17:41:50 GMT -5
The high rack is a must do. Looks like a hand cranked winch ? Does it raise and lower the rack ? Yes the winch is for the grill.
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Post by toiv0 on Dec 30, 2015 17:42:37 GMT -5
I like the labels put in plain view
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Post by Intheswamp on Dec 30, 2015 18:24:14 GMT -5
I still like the idea of them inside...just below the rim.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 30, 2015 20:21:14 GMT -5
I still like the idea of them inside...just below the rim. No Ed. You know how I feel about that. Sensitive artisan personality...
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