jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Dec 31, 2015 17:32:43 GMT -5
Here is my homemade tumbler. I have 2 step pulleys for increased speed adjustment. It is located about 7' up on my shop wall to keep it out of the way.
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2016 7:10:14 GMT -5
Liking the spool design ja. Those rubber caps are made of stout material. Clever idea to attach flanges to them. Looking for a fold out wall bed...recessed cab machine.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 2, 2016 9:10:39 GMT -5
Liking the spool design ja. Those rubber caps are made of stout material. Clever idea to attach flanges to them. Looking for a fold out wall bed...recessed cab machine. My cabbing machine sits under my tumbler along with one of my saws. The container of water is for the cabber. I do not have running water in the shop (yet).
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2016 10:48:45 GMT -5
jackangeline Water sure nice to have. Dec - Feb requires trip to well here in Georgia. A freeze protected tap with hose if the hose is drained before using. However, it can be 20F outside and 75F in the greenhouse on sunny days where all the equipment is. Very nice spot to play w/my rocks in the winter. Brutal in summer. Like you, no water there though other than a in tubs. Wall set up is a space saver. Well done. That black polyethylene hose is a good freeze proof material to run. Unlike PVC it can freeze and not crack, cheap too. 100 foot coil of 1/2 inch is sure cheap. It's the burying it that causes the work. What type of pipe were you planning to use ? If your shop is down hill from the source you might be able to drain it each use. Leave it dripping while using it when below freezing. If you do use a coil of black poly I would unroll it and tie it out stretched till the coils set straight.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 2, 2016 11:18:29 GMT -5
jackangeline Water sure nice to have. Dec - Feb requires trip to well here in Georgia. A freeze protected tap with hose if the hose is drained before using. However, it can be 20F outside and 75F in the greenhouse on sunny days where all the equipment is. Very nice spot to play w/my rocks in the winter. Brutal in summer. Like you, no water there though other than a in tubs. Wall set up is a space saver. Well done. That black polyethylene hose is a good freeze proof material to run. Unlike PVC it can freeze and not crack, cheap too. 100 foot coil of 1/2 inch is sure cheap. It's the burying it that causes the work. What type of pipe were you planning to use ? If your shop is down hill from the source you might be able to drain it each use. Leave it dripping while using it when below freezing. If you do use a coil of black poly I would unroll it and tie it out stretched till the coils set straight. Well to tell you the truth. I have a 4 inch pull tube I installed when I built the house and the shop. I know it is partially collapsed due to shifting dirt and using the wrong pipe (drain vs. Sch. 40) but that said I think I can still get through and it is buried 4' deep (below frost line). Also my shop is heated (in floor radiant) so I just have to find a spot for a sink and run 200' of Pex and all is good. My shop is suppose to be a wood shop. That has been taken over a bit by my newest hobby.
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2016 11:28:45 GMT -5
A man with a pull tube. thinking ahead(excepting choice of pipe...) What do electricians do, put a vacuum cleaner on one end and suck a string thru for a pull cord ? Good luck with the crunched(southern term) pipe.
radiant floor heat, well, that creates shear jealousy We must discuss this.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 2, 2016 11:39:26 GMT -5
A man with a pull tube. thinking ahead(excepting choice of pipe...) What do electricians do, put a vacuum cleaner on one end and suck a string thru for a pull cord ? Good luck with the crunched(southern term) pipe. radiant floor heat, well, that creates shear jealousy We must discuss this. I use a leaf blower (fits right over the tube) and suck a bag with string tied to it. man does that thing fly through there. Almost got rope burns. so when I pulled my last cable through Enet (I think) also pulled extra pull string. So that being said only had to do the leaf blower trick once. All my interior cement surfaces have radiant tubing in them. (easier to do before you pour then after). But the garage and the basement are not being used at this time....but they are installed and ready. The shop uses a on demand water heater and the liquid gets pumped through the floor at 3.4gal min. heated temp about 149 return water temp 60 (set temp). works awesome.. but I am in the sticks and have to use propane to heat (expensive). I have an alternative method waiting in the wings if the price of propane goes up again. (Oil fired boiler running wate oil) but that project is on hold as propane prices are way down from a year or so ago.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 2, 2016 12:55:10 GMT -5
A man with a pull tube. thinking ahead(excepting choice of pipe...) What do electricians do, put a vacuum cleaner on one end and suck a string thru for a pull cord ? Good luck with the crunched(southern term) pipe. radiant floor heat, well, that creates shear jealousy We must discuss this.
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2016 13:17:08 GMT -5
Mesmerized, must study before retort. Offended by 'No Admittance' sign.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 2, 2016 18:38:55 GMT -5
Mesmerized, must study before retort. Offended by 'No Admittance' sign. don't be offended , I apply it for everyone. See easy peasy.
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2016 21:07:00 GMT -5
Mesmerized, must study before retort. Offended by 'No Admittance' sign. don't be offended , I apply it for everyone. See easy peasy. Studied, decided that I would have to call the expert quite a few times. If you set that one up a congrats is most certainly due. I see a gas line, does all the heat get transferred in that box ? how much sq. ft. are you heating ?
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 2, 2016 21:19:24 GMT -5
don't be offended , I apply it for everyone. See easy peasy. Studied, decided that I would have to call the expert quite a few times. If you set that one up a congrats is most certainly due. I see a gas line, does all the heat get transferred in that box ? how much sq. ft. are you heating ? jamesp yeah I set it up and yes all the heat is transferred in that box (water heater) it is then pumped through the floor and the heat transfer takes place. The green tank is for expansion when the water heats up. I have a water glycol based fluid. If it fails it does not freeze. There are a few other gadgets involved but most of those are for safety and burping the air.
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2016 8:42:15 GMT -5
I ran PEX in the out building and connected it to a manifold. However, I do not feel confident that I could handle all the controls. So it sits waiting for a contractor to do what you did in the above photo. With glycol you probably used steel fittings ?
Before I poured the slab I put two 12" sch 20 steel pipes in the floor full length. They are connected in series and back to a wood stove with SS pipes for heating water. One of those inline hot water pumps and a 50 gallon SS expansion tank. The vertical 50 gal tank can be heated separate by thermo-syphon till steam generates into a steam room.
So I never used the PEX system and have used the in floor storage pipes. Because I was intimidated by the controls for the PEX system...
The large pipes, SS tank, inline pump, etc was all picked up from scrap yards cheap. The under slab capacity is 800 gallons of water. It is a very simple system.
I can send you a link sometime.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 3, 2016 8:59:08 GMT -5
I ran PEX in the out building and connected it to a manifold. However, I do not feel confident that I could handle all the controls. So it sits waiting for a contractor to do what you did in the above photo. With glycol you probably used steel fittings ? Before I poured the slab I put two 12" sch 20 steel pipes in the floor full length. They are connected in series and back to a wood stove with SS pipes for heating water. One of those inline hot water pumps and a 50 gallon SS expansion tank. The vertical 50 gal tank can be heated separate by thermo-syphon till steam generates into a steam room. So I never used the PEX system and have used the in floor storage pipes. Because I was intimidated by the controls for the PEX system... The large pipes, SS tank, inline pump, etc was all picked up from scrap yards cheap. The under slab capacity is 800 gallons of water. It is a very simple system. I can send you a link sometime. It is all copper. everything is easy peasy. Nothing complicated about it. My system capacity is about 8 gallons total and that includes the expansion tank (5gal). I have some where in the range of 1500' of PEX the outbuilding (shop) is 1200 sqft. I keep it at about 13-14° C or 58-60° F. I measure it with a thermocouple in the slab. I tried using the air temp, but it fluctuated too much. The floor is much more stable. The slab is insulated with pink foam sheets below the slab, so my thermos mass is the concrete it self.
|
|
jamesp
Cave Dweller
Member since October 2012
Posts: 36,562
|
Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2016 9:55:08 GMT -5
Easy a relative term LOL. The slab is the mass w/insulation below it. Got that. Such a small volume of oil, wow. Floor heat is radiant and more contained to the human zone, 60F floor distributed over entire area, must be comfortable. Sounds like the glycol is the way to go. Well done. Yes, give this man(engineer) tools !
Nice that you can use your discipline to assist your own personal set-up.
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 3, 2016 10:05:41 GMT -5
Easy a relative term LOL. The slab is the mass w/insulation below it. Got that. Such a small volume of oil, wow. Floor heat is radiant and more contained to the human zone, 60F floor distributed over entire area, must be comfortable. Sounds like the glycol is the way to go. Well done. Yes, give this man(engineer) tools ! Nice that you can use your discipline to assist your own personal set-up. It is very comfortable....that is until I am cabbing, then the 60° water tends to make the finger a bit stiff. When you first walk in it is a bit chilly, but after 5-10 min of working you warm up and it is awesome. When I could get my truck into the shop it was awesome to work on the floor. (rock stuff is in the way of getting anything in the shop). I have a trailer to finish up and I have no room to work on it. I need to wire the lights and brakes, and fasten the decking down. My 12' trailer was rusting out and I needed to make some repairs. (that did not go well) started to remove the old metal decking and found most of the frame gone. Took it by a friends to replace some steel. Next time I saw it the axles and the tongue were all that was left. it is now a 14.5' trailer . But now I need to finish....and cant get it in the shop.... I need a bigger shop
|
|
|
Post by captbob on Jan 3, 2016 10:45:00 GMT -5
EVERYONE needs a bigger shop!
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 3, 2016 10:55:21 GMT -5
EVERYONE needs a bigger shop! This is true, I am trying to talk my wife into building a studio for her and reclaiming my shop. Of course if I built a studio for her my rock stuff needs to be in there also (she does jewelry from rocks and minerals, I just do the shaping). That would also be attached to the house so it will be closer and more convenient to get to and work on stuff.
|
|
|
Post by toiv0 on Jan 3, 2016 11:31:41 GMT -5
what does your wife make, can we see some of it?
|
|
jackangeline
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since December 2015
Posts: 107
|
Post by jackangeline on Jan 3, 2016 11:55:17 GMT -5
|
|