herchenx
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Post by herchenx on Mar 29, 2016 12:24:04 GMT -5
I bought this on Amazon before, it was cheap there with free shipping, but they seem to have removed it from Amazon. You can get it here - 4 gal for $48.00 or $13 per one gallon: www.scahealth.com/ultracruz-mineral-oil-light.htmlThere is free shipping for orders over $50.00 so you could buy 5 gallons for $61 and get it free shipped. |
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Post by DirtCleaner on Mar 30, 2016 18:49:44 GMT -5
Whoa, you only need to fill the bottom so the blade's bottom edge is about 1/4" deep. That 40 gals must fill the whole saw - you would have a really, really big mess to clean up. Exxon Valdez like. My 30" saw takes 45 gallons. I am refurbishing a 36" HP and it looks like it will be about the same. Tony Using inches - Length X Width X Depth divided by 231 (cubic inches per gallon). 45 gallons seems excessive but I haven't seen your saw. My 30" Covington doesn't take near that much. And like Panamark reported you only need oil to go 1/4" - 3/8" up the blade. Any more and you are just throwing oil inside and creating more of a mist problem than you should. |
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OregonBorn
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Post by OregonBorn on Jun 27, 2016 18:56:19 GMT -5
IMO it's way too thick and the flash point is too low. I use the Stellar Lubricants oil. The base is a tech grade mineral oil used in cosmetics. The club shop has used it for about a year and I got a 55 gallon drum a few months back, works great in all my saws. Hey Lee, where did you get the Stellar mineral oil? I am in the PDX area (also in the MHRC). |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 27, 2016 23:29:25 GMT -5
IMO it's way too thick and the flash point is too low. I use the Stellar Lubricants oil. The base is a tech grade mineral oil used in cosmetics. The club shop has used it for about a year and I got a 55 gallon drum a few months back, works great in all my saws. Hey Lee, where did you get the Stellar mineral oil? I am in the PDX area (also in the MHRC). I bought the drum at the same time that the club bought 11 pails. There may be some pails for sale, Wayne has them. Stellar was at the Prineville and Madras shows and will be at Sisters this weekend according to the schedule at their website. stellarlubricants.com/show-schedule.html |
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OregonBorn
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Post by OregonBorn on Jun 29, 2016 16:18:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. I did see them at the P'ville Pow Wow, come to think of it, but I did not make the connection. Doi! But I was only there for a brief time early on Thursday morning and I did not get much sleep the night before (it was really cold there Wednesday night).
On this topic though, I have been talked into trying diesel fuel, with one qt of Non Detergent 30 wt motor oil added per 5 gallons of diesel. Some have been using this saw cutting 'oil' mix for years in very hot conditions, with very good results. $15 for 5 gallons.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 29, 2016 22:36:57 GMT -5
I went to a sale a while back and got to see what a 24 inch saw looks like after a shed burns up around it. Also, while the motor oil may be relatively safe, the diesel is packed full of additives to make it burn cleaner, none of which are particularly good for humans, in addition to the diesel being extremely carcinogenic all on it's own.
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jerrys
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Post by jerrys on Jun 30, 2016 11:47:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. I did see them at the P'ville Pow Wow, come to think of it, but I did not make the connection. Doi! But I was only there for a brief time early on Thursday morning and I did not get much sleep the night before (it was really cold there Wednesday night). On this topic though, I have been talked into trying diesel fuel, with one qt of Non Detergent 30 wt motor oil added per 5 gallons of diesel. Some have been using this saw cutting 'oil' mix for years in very hot conditions, with very good results. $15 for 5 gallons. Rocks cut with diesel will have that smell for a long time. Good Luck with having a display of diesel cut rock in your house, especially near a window that gets sun. |
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OregonBorn
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Post by OregonBorn on Jun 30, 2016 15:11:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. I did see them at the P'ville Pow Wow, come to think of it, but I did not make the connection. Doi! But I was only there for a brief time early on Thursday morning and I did not get much sleep the night before (it was really cold there Wednesday night). On this topic though, I have been talked into trying diesel fuel, with one qt of Non Detergent 30 wt motor oil added per 5 gallons of diesel. Some have been using this saw cutting 'oil' mix for years in very hot conditions, with very good results. $15 for 5 gallons. Rocks cut with diesel will have that smell for a long time. Good Luck with having a display of diesel cut rock in your house, especially near a window that gets sun. I have gotten several buckets of rocks (mostly end cuts) from a guy that cuts with the diesel/oil mix, and they have no smell to them at all. They are sitting in buckets in the sun right now outside my window, as a matter of fact. No fumes. As a general rule I do not display rocks in my house anyway. I have seen too many people get carried away and their rocks have completely taken over their property, inside and out. My rocks ~have~ taken over my indoor shop, but that is it! Back I say! No rocks shall pass any further into my domicile! Also the 18 inch saw that I was looking at was sold before I could get it, so... no cutting oil needed now. It needed a new saw blade anyway. This thread has me intrigued though. I used diesel for years as a solvent when I was roofing and doing machining work. |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 30, 2016 15:31:55 GMT -5
I used to clean with xylene and no gloves or respirator when I didn't know better, but I will never recommend it on a public forum.
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OregonBorn
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Post by OregonBorn on Jun 30, 2016 16:05:57 GMT -5
I went to a sale a while back and got to see what a 24 inch saw looks like after a shed burns up around it. Also, while the motor oil may be relatively safe, the diesel is packed full of additives to make it burn cleaner, none of which are particularly good for humans, in addition to the diesel being extremely carcinogenic all on it's own. Looking at the general toxic effects of diesel fuel, the most damaging aspects reported are all from breathing diesel exhaust fumes, and not exposure to diesel fuel itself. Exposure to skin seems to be almost under the radar according to WHO and other reports that I have studied. I do not plan on bathing in the stuff. Silicosis seems to be a far more likely hazard when dealing with cutting rocks from this area (agate and jasper), so I wear protective air filtration gear for that anyway. Also before everyone spontaneously ignites on this subject, there is biodiesel, which I was considering as a much more likely alternative. That is made of veggie oil that has had the glycerine (sticky stuff) removed. It is less toxic that table salt. It also has a much higher flash point than petroleum based diesel. Also the 30 wt ND oil will bring the flash point up even more. Diesel flash point (#2) >52 °C (126 °F) 30 wt motor oil flash point 215 °C (420 °F) Biodiesel flash point >130 °C (266 °F) |
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OregonBorn
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Post by OregonBorn on Jun 30, 2016 16:17:59 GMT -5
I used to clean with xylene and no gloves or respirator when I didn't know better, but I will never recommend it on a public forum. The guy I got my end cuts from says he uses the garage flood/oil spill cleaner absorption cut rock cleaning method. I used to use xylene a lot (as well as lacquer thinner) when I was doing silk screen work. I was gloved up and used a respirator though. But at that time I also smoked a pack of cigarettes a day. Then I quit smoking and moved to SoCal which was equivalent to smoking again. Go figure. Dial soap has an antibacterial compound in it that supposedly causes cancer. Triclosan. Also there is a huge law suit against Monsanto now that claims that Glyphosate causes cancer (the main ingredient in Roundup, a commonly used contact weed killer). |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 30, 2016 21:59:14 GMT -5
I went to a sale a while back and got to see what a 24 inch saw looks like after a shed burns up around it. Also, while the motor oil may be relatively safe, the diesel is packed full of additives to make it burn cleaner, none of which are particularly good for humans, in addition to the diesel being extremely carcinogenic all on it's own. Looking at the general toxic effects of diesel fuel, the most damaging aspects reported are all from breathing diesel exhaust fumes, and not exposure to diesel fuel itself. Exposure to skin seems to be almost under the radar according to WHO and other reports that I have studied. I do not plan on bathing in the stuff. Silicosis seems to be a far more likely hazard when dealing with cutting rocks from this area (agate and jasper), so I wear protective air filtration gear for that anyway. Also before everyone spontaneously ignites on this subject, there is biodiesel, which I was considering as a much more likely alternative. That is made of veggie oil that has had the glycerine (sticky stuff) removed. It is less toxic that table salt. It also has a much higher flash point than petroleum based diesel. Also the 30 wt ND oil will bring the flash point up even more. Diesel flash point (#2) >52 °C (126 °F) 30 wt motor oil flash point 215 °C (420 °F) Biodiesel flash point >130 °C (266 °F) Veggie diesel won't properly lubricate or cool. I looked into veggie based fuels, hydraulic oil and solvent cleaners from a local manufacturer a few years back. The company owner, who is a chemical engineer, sent me away when I told him what I wanted to do. Veggie oil has huge molecules compared to petroleum and will not adequately saturate the point of the cut is what he told me. The problem with looking at data sheets for health info on cutting with diesel is that the data sheets were written with only the customary use in mind. Barranca's opinion on diesel... www.barrancadiamond.com/pdf/tec/bd_slab_saw_coolants.pdfIf you are ok with having to deodorize your slabs and are determined to go with cheap I know of another local option that is safer than diesel, but stinky. If you're interested let me know and I'll dig up the info. |
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Post by OregonBorn on Jul 13, 2016 17:51:51 GMT -5
Looking at the general toxic effects of diesel fuel, the most damaging aspects reported are all from breathing diesel exhaust fumes, and not exposure to diesel fuel itself. Exposure to skin seems to be almost under the radar according to WHO and other reports that I have studied. I do not plan on bathing in the stuff. Silicosis seems to be a far more likely hazard when dealing with cutting rocks from this area (agate and jasper), so I wear protective air filtration gear for that anyway. Also before everyone spontaneously ignites on this subject, there is biodiesel, which I was considering as a much more likely alternative. That is made of veggie oil that has had the glycerine (sticky stuff) removed. It is less toxic that table salt. It also has a much higher flash point than petroleum based diesel. Also the 30 wt ND oil will bring the flash point up even more. Diesel flash point (#2) >52 °C (126 °F) 30 wt motor oil flash point 215 °C (420 °F) Biodiesel flash point >130 °C (266 °F) Veggie diesel won't properly lubricate or cool. I looked into veggie based fuels, hydraulic oil and solvent cleaners from a local manufacturer a few years back. The company owner, who is a chemical engineer, sent me away when I told him what I wanted to do. Veggie oil has huge molecules compared to petroleum and will not adequately saturate the point of the cut is what he told me. The problem with looking at data sheets for health info on cutting with diesel is that the data sheets were written with only the customary use in mind. Barranca's opinion on diesel... www.barrancadiamond.com/pdf/tec/bd_slab_saw_coolants.pdfIf you are ok with having to deodorize your slabs and are determined to go with cheap I know of another local option that is safer than diesel, but stinky. If you're interested let me know and I'll dig up the info. I have no issues with deodorizing cut rocks. Though I am in no hurry now, I am still interested in finding out what to use for a cheaper cutting oil as I will likely get a larger saw sooner than later. I have all this rock that I have collected that I want to cut... way too much to cut at the lap shop in PDX. |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 13, 2016 21:46:30 GMT -5
OregonBorn Get my number out of the club directory or PM me, there's a oil recycler in NOPO that re-refines it and they pull the lowest viscosity stuff off the top and sell it as form oil for a release agent on concrete forms. It's pretty smelly when put into a saw fresh but settles down after a day or two. I haven't priced it for years but it was about $20 bucks a pail back when Pella was about $70. It also filters out good for reuse. Since I cut in an attached garage it won't work for me.
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