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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 8, 2016 8:36:15 GMT -5
I just noticed that I put this in the wrong section of the forum. It was supposed to be in the slabs and saws section. Is there a way to move it? Andrea I don't think so. It seems to have reached everyone, so it's all good.
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 8, 2016 15:05:02 GMT -5
I suppose an interesting conversation here would be how many years each of us has been in the hobby, what safety precautions we've taken, and how healthy we are *L*. I'm 68 and have been sawing rocks for at least 45 years. Used to do a ton of cabbing but not much these days due to back and finger issues. Back may be due to horses and fingers to excessive shooting and computer crap. Never used a respirator till maybe a few years ago. Wore dust masks while cabbing. Avoided sitting in the room with running saws but with my old Lortone drop saw I used to get bathed in mist for hours and never wore anything. Used to cut in kerosene which wouldn't have been too good. Now I try not to breath mist at all because I used to get coughing fits after cutting too often. Seem to get clean physicals but who knows what my innards really look like *L*. Seem too breathe pretty well otherwise. Still hike a bit and when really heavily into the hobby back in my thirties-fifties, I used to be a runner too. Can't say I've noticed any long lasting effects from the hobby except sometimes a shortage of cash for rocks when E-Bay first opened up. Got to say I've known a lot of avid rock cutters that were freaking older than dirt. Or maybe they were in their twenties and just looked that way. Who knows? ...Mel
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Post by jamesp on Apr 8, 2016 15:55:15 GMT -5
My friend was 92 when he passed. He had a rock shop for many years. Cut a lot of rocks. He died of lung issues that were related to rock dust so the doctor thought. He said that he went through phases over the years when his lungs bothered him, namely when he ran a dry high speed lapper. He would turn it on and let it run overnight. He had run it and quickly learned that the dust had effected him and stayed away from it. Cabbed/sawed/lapped/ did it all. Found that his lungs were in bad shape letter in age. Old school guy, probably avoided breathing protection for several decades.
Concerned about farmers plowing fields on dry windy days. Lots of rock dust in that operation.
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2016 23:31:59 GMT -5
Hi Andrea, Everyone has great advice. Thanks for the thread. Love sharing your journey. Use bardahl no smoke to minimize mist. It ain't perfect. I recommend considering enclosing your saws in their own room. Cover the walls with something that can be washed down. This way the mist doesn't end up coating everything in your shop. Like a laundry room but for the saws. Hey Scott That stop leak may not be perfect but is close. That almost cuts the mist to nothing. I find I have to add a bit to the saw every once in a while to keep it workin. No idea why. This is an excellent tip Scott gave. Use stop leak and stop mist. I use a big dollop to 2 gallons oil.
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Post by chassroc on Apr 12, 2016 11:14:15 GMT -5
My friend was 92 when he passed. He had a rock shop for many years. Cut a lot of rocks. He died of lung issues that were related to rock dust so the doctor thought. He said that he went through phases over the years when his lungs bothered him, namely when he ran a dry high speed lapper. He would turn it on and let it run overnight. He had run it and quickly learned that the dust had effected him and stayed away from it. Cabbed/sawed/lapped/ did it all. Found that his lungs were in bad shape letter in age. Old school guy, probably avoided breathing protection for several decades. Concerned about farmers plowing fields on dry windy days. Lots of rock dust in that operation. My dad passed at 76 , my Mom is 92 and I plan to surpass that so I better start using the damn respirator. I teach several classes both indoor and others outdoors, weather permitting (Cabochon making including grinders and rock saws, water coolant. I don't use a respirator but do introduce my students to using them and have both the canister and more simple dust masks and demonstrated them both while explaining that the canisters had a much better chance against small particulate matter from rocks. Ie that the others where probably useless. One student did challenge the notion that water would be effective against certain toxic rock dust and she was correct. charlie
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Post by Peruano on Apr 12, 2016 11:20:31 GMT -5
Has your doctor ever talked about ANCA (if you test positive for ANCA in your routine blood work) you may need to pay attention. ANCA are antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibodies (commonly produced in autoimmune diseases), and certainly associated with vasculitis (a form of irritation of the blood vessels). My vasculitis affects my kidney function and my urologist seems to suspect rock dust and general desert environmental condtions for its cause. Had he not curbed my chronic kidney disease I might have been on dialysis or in major kidney failure (its a slippery slope). I have only been into lapidary for 5 years or so, but my initial exposure was in shaping marine shell material with an admittedly homemade grinding unit (although with water to control dust). There is nothing solid to blame shell or rock dust, but even tho we control dust when actively grinding or polishing, it ends up drying in the cab machine trays, on work shop surfaces etc and can be resuspended to be ingested on a breezy day or through direct contact with a dusty hand on a sandwich. I'm not pretending to be sounding an alarm, but I would be curious if others have had strange autoimmune diagnoses or and especially vasculitis or anca reports. I still do not usually wear a mask when cabbing or washing tumbled loads, but I do try to clean my shop carefully and remove that dust residue when it is obvious. The following was copied from one medical info site: It is poorly understood how ANCA are developed, although several hypotheses have been suggested. There is probably a genetic contribution, particularly in genes controlling the level of immune response – although genetic susceptibility is likely to be linked to an environmental factor, some possible factors including vaccination or exposure to silicates. Two possible mechanisms of ANCA development are postulated, although neither of these theories answers the question of how the different ANCA specificities are developed, and there is much research still being undertaken on the development of ANCA.[3]
Note: Perhaps I should explain my basis for emphasizing my vasculitis question here. The urologist (who I respect a great deal), does feel that there is a greater incidence of vasculitis and anca related maladies in the SW and we know that there is a lot of silica in the air, in the work place, and among hobbies practiced by some of us in the SW. So, I guess I'd like to alert others without waving anyone away from a wonderful pastime and vocation. Tom
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Post by jamesp on Apr 12, 2016 12:43:36 GMT -5
No doubt water is a dust preventative chassroc. And canister type breathers can be purchased to target most ant hazardous material. I use a canister on a very dusty high speed agate grinder and have no concerns about the dust. Lot of industries deal with silica dust, concrete and landscape two in particular. Concrete in particular. Why take chances, a good cartridge mask that fits well and has the right cartridge for the job and you are in safe keeping.
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Post by Tom on Apr 12, 2016 23:14:35 GMT -5
I would say that a good particulat mask like a 3M will take care of 99% of the crap we deal with. Working with water will knock down almost all dust and if there is mist a dust mask will catch it. Surgeons just use dust type makes to prevent the spread of germs. Canister respirators are more for protection against lethal gases and fumes. A good dust mask PROPERLY fitted will stop mist as well.
I think a canister mask is over kill but I certainly am not trying to discourage people. If you feel better go for it. I only wear a mask when doing anything dry.
My two cents only.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Apr 13, 2016 7:48:26 GMT -5
I'd like to hear what cardiobill has to say about this. I do not wear a mask. My slab saw is in the garage and I'm not in there when it's running except to check on it occasionally. I do not notice any oil mist. I don't do too much cabbing yet, but I do cut on my trim saw with water a fair amount. The trim saw is where I notice the most mist and odor. The only masks I've ever worn (for other things, not rocks) are the cheap disposable ones. I find that they don't fit my face very well and wonder how much good they do. What type is recommended for rock work?
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Apr 13, 2016 8:31:54 GMT -5
I'd like to hear what cardiobill has to say about this. I do not wear a mask. My slab saw is in the garage and I'm not in there when it's running except to check on it occasionally. I do not notice any oil mist. I don't do too much cabbing yet, but I do cut on my trim saw with water a fair amount. The trim saw is where I notice the most mist and odor. The only masks I've ever worn (for other things, not rocks) are the cheap disposable ones. I find that they don't fit my face very well and wonder how much good they do. What type is recommended for rock work? I did not always wear a mask while cabbing but at the beginning of the year I started wearing cheap dust masks for general cabbing. I toss them after about a week. For the toxic stuff like bumble bee jasper for example with arsenic in it I have always used a 3M dual cartridge respirator. Chuck
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 13, 2016 8:54:08 GMT -5
I notice after using a dust mask or respirator (as in above) that the masks have plenty of dust on them which could have made it into my lungs. If you are cutting rocks containing copper, you can get a copper penny taste in your mouth. That tells you that somewhere along the way you are getting it into your body. It happened to me and is why I started to wear a mask.
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Post by meviva on Apr 13, 2016 10:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Apr 13, 2016 10:54:48 GMT -5
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 13, 2016 10:58:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure what number my mask is but it uses 3m 6001 cartridges (the important part).
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Post by Pat on Apr 13, 2016 12:38:23 GMT -5
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Post by meviva on Apr 13, 2016 14:04:22 GMT -5
Thanks Tela and Chuck. Looks like you two use the same filters. You're welcome Pat thanks for posting the link. Good info there. Andrea
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Post by cardiobill on Apr 13, 2016 20:06:15 GMT -5
I'd like to hear what cardiobill has to say about this. I do not wear a mask. My slab saw is in the garage and I'm not in there when it's running except to check on it occasionally. I do not notice any oil mist. I don't do too much cabbing yet, but I do cut on my trim saw with water a fair amount. The trim saw is where I notice the most mist and odor. The only masks I've ever worn (for other things, not rocks) are the cheap disposable ones. I find that they don't fit my face very well and wonder how much good they do. What type is recommended for rock work? I do wear a mask when I dremmel or use my tile saw (dremmel in H20 and tile saw water always kept full to keep dust down) I'm sure lots of people on this board know more than me about respirator vs masks though The main issue with rock dust inhalation is the potential for silicosis and ultimately pulmonary fibrosis Both are really nasty without cures I do not see any downside to a mask /respirator other than the comfort issue Everything is a calculated risk- I also do not smoke, wear a seatbelt, wear a helmet when I ski, exercise and eat a reasonable diet The one thing I will say is when I shower after cutting I can feel the dust on my hair and exposed skin and I really do not want it in my lungs If your coughing up any junk after cutting / grinding or get dusty type stuff on a tissue when you blow your nose after working with rocks then I would highly recommend some protection Just my thoughts Bill
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Post by Jugglerguy on Apr 13, 2016 21:48:09 GMT -5
Thanks Bill!
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