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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 30, 2016 23:34:54 GMT -5
I need some ethyl alcohol. I know that Everclear liquor is ethyl, but I don't want to pay a fortune. Actually, I'm not even sure the VA ABC board sells it here.
DH picked up a can of denatured alcohol form the hardware store, but that, apparently, is ethanol with other stuff added. I found some ethyl on amazon which is denatured (made with additives so we can't drink it) but in the description of the product it is called ethanol. So, is denatured ethyl called ethanol? The product I was looking at contained 5% water. I need a product with no water.
ETA: In VA I need a flippin' permit to buy grain alcohol. Bastards.
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Post by spiceman on Nov 30, 2016 23:40:39 GMT -5
What are you trying to do with it?
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 30, 2016 23:45:02 GMT -5
What are you trying to do with it? I am trying to make a mixture to release the toner from my laser printer onto copper. The right ratio of acetone to ethyl will produce a "stickier" release. ETA: Do you know the answer to my question?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 23:56:13 GMT -5
100% pure ethanol (ethyl alcohol) cannot be made by distillation. Its technical. Just trust me.
All purified forms have something to make it not drinkable, a denaturant. Thusly denatured alcohol.
Alcohol is denatured in many ways depending on the application. For instance acetone may be a denaturant.
Or methanol.
Or even benzene.
Laser toner is commonly transferred by heat. This technique used to etch printed circuit boards.
Sorry, not much help I am afraid.
Best of luck o' talented one.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 1, 2016 0:10:40 GMT -5
100% pure ethanol (ethyl alcohol) cannot be made by distillation. Its technical. Just trust me. All purified forms have something to make it not drinkable, a denaturant. Thusly denatured alcohol. Alcohol is denatured in many ways depending on the application. For instance acetone may be a denaturant. Or methanol. Or even benzene. Laser toner is commonly transferred by heat. This technique used to etch printed circuit boards. Sorry, not much help I am afraid. Best of luck o' talented one. OK, so ethyl IS ethanol? That is helpful. Actually, the heat method is not very good. I (and my brother in law) are trying to use the chemical release method. My friend in Lithuania is doing it very easily but we have different brands of printer. Not sure if that is why. I am running some experiments tomorrow, but at the very least I need some glossy laser print paper. Here is the video. I haven't tried this as I have no ethyl. He is in another country where it seems to be much easier to get. I also need the right paper. I am confident that I'll figure it out- just trial and error.
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Post by jakesrocks on Dec 1, 2016 0:38:13 GMT -5
Got any military doctor friends ? Medicinal alcohol is 190 proof straight grain alcohol.
Had an alcoholic doctor on a ship I served on. Steal a can of any sort of fruit juice from the mess deck & sneak it up to sick bay late at night, & get drunker than a skunk in the middle of the pacific.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 1, 2016 0:53:25 GMT -5
Got any military doctor friends ? Medicinal alcohol is 190 proof straight grain alcohol. Had an alcoholic doctor on a ship I served on. Steal a can of any sort of fruit juice from the mess deck & sneak it up to sick bay late at night, & get drunker than a skunk in the middle of the pacific. Unfortunately, no.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 1, 2016 5:02:06 GMT -5
I would try it with the denatured alcohol, which is usually 90% or more ethanol. It is only about $7 for a small can and it always comes in handy for other things in case it does not work for the toner.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 1, 2016 6:24:44 GMT -5
I would try it with the denatured alcohol, which is usually 90% or more ethanol. It is only about $7 for a small can and it always comes in handy for other things in case it does not work for the toner. Yup, I already got a can of it. Hoping it will do the job.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 1, 2016 6:48:35 GMT -5
Local meth lab might be of service
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Post by mohs on Dec 1, 2016 7:49:49 GMT -5
Well its still pretty early in the morning So I’m just starting But by noon I should be pretty confused ha ha Then there was that New Years Eve Detroit 1989 Whatever doesn’t killya Make you wake at 5 in the even'n Interesting experiment Tela Alchemical even Looking forward to the solution mohs
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Post by jamesp on Dec 1, 2016 7:59:16 GMT -5
Alcohols get complicated. Hope you get it right Tela.
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Post by Peruano on Dec 1, 2016 8:31:25 GMT -5
There is something called absolute alcohol that we used in chem labs and which is treated as a controlled industrial chemical (not cheap). Scott is right you can't get 100% without adding something else. If I recall correctly, absolute alchohol is made by adding benzene which displaces the water. Ever clear is only 95% but is non toxic (if you don't drink too much that is). Have a moonshiner bring it to you from Real Virginia or parts west. I suspect you can get by with a denatured alcohol (mostly ethanol with a contaminant of other stuff for discouraging imbibing. Undergraduate chemistry was oh so long ago.
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Post by orrum on Dec 1, 2016 10:15:40 GMT -5
Compounding drug store has ethyl. Mine sells it to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 10:46:16 GMT -5
Yes.
Ethanol and ethyl alcohol are synonyms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 10:51:05 GMT -5
I saw the video. Smart people we have worldwide!
Rubbing alcohol (isopropyl alcohol. Isopropanol) may also work.
Worth a shot.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Dec 1, 2016 11:34:46 GMT -5
Used to pick this up in TJ - they called it PURO. 96% alcohol. Also wondering if even after it has been distilled something has to be done chemically to it to make it 100% Like Scott said.
We used it to fortify home-made peach brandy. Can't really see it, but the price tag on top says $2.99! That bottle has to be about 15 - 20 years old, but alcohol doesn't "go bad" I don't think.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 1, 2016 12:41:12 GMT -5
Well folks, I tried and tried to come up with a solution that worked and none did. Out of frustration, I poured straight acetone on the clean copper, waited, blotted, soaked in water and SUCCESS!!!! The difference is I used some glossy paper to print on. I pulled it from an old magazine. So, that was the trouble. My laser toner just didn't work with plain paper.
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Post by metalsmith on Dec 1, 2016 12:58:36 GMT -5
The video uses glossy - is that photographic printer paper?
Good go know acetone works; I may have a meddle but I don't see it happening any time soon.
So are you designing circuitry themed jewellery or being distracted by electronics?
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 1, 2016 13:20:05 GMT -5
The video uses glossy - is that photographic printer paper? Good go know acetone works; I may have a meddle but I don't see it happening any time soon. So are you designing circuitry themed jewellery or being distracted by electronics? Photo paper is too heavy. You need light glossy pages like from a magazine or buy 12g glossy laser print paper. Cheap enough. I already ordered some. My BIL is an electronics geek. Coincidentally, he was trying to do this at the same time that I was. I am doing it to transfer fine line designs for pierce work and or etching.
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