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Post by spiceman on Dec 22, 2016 21:17:39 GMT -5
In Ohio, coyotes are getting to be a big problem. So for hunting them, no special tag is needed, any type of gun can be use, and any time of the day. They want those bastards out of here.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 22, 2016 21:20:03 GMT -5
Here in the Carolinas the house cats and feral cats disappear when the coyotes appear. We have Carolina Dogs, part coyote, part dog, and part wolf. Been here since Indian times. Cats must be getting caught by the coyotes. The cats that stay by the house stay around for years. Every new cat we have had that wonders back in the woods gets gone quick. 20-30 years ago coyotes were rare here and we never lost cats. |
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Post by jamesp on Dec 22, 2016 21:21:58 GMT -5
Good idea. We have had several coyotes in our neighborhood --- residential. Never before. Been here since 1979. Thankful our coyotes are real shy. Those residential ones will come up in your yard and get pets. |
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Post by jamesp on Dec 22, 2016 21:24:49 GMT -5
In Ohio, coyotes are getting to be a big problem. So for hunting them, no special tag is needed, any type of gun can be use, and any time of the day. They want those bastards out of here. Open season on coyotes may be normal procedure spice. You don't want them. Deer control in overpopulated areas perhaps. Are coyotes new or recently increasing in Ohio ? |
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Post by Garage Rocker on Dec 22, 2016 21:34:57 GMT -5
I started bringing the tom cat that adopted us in the house at night after I heard the coyote yipping in the woods out back. They didn't get him, the kidneys did. My boys and dogs found their den and made a hasty retreat. The five of us made a formidable opponent, especially including my firearm, but wouldn't chance an encounter with kids with me. I say live and let live, let nature take its course, until it comes to my 'pack'.
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Post by orrum on Dec 22, 2016 21:52:33 GMT -5
All the foxes died out from rabies and distemper so the fox hunters brought in coyotes. End of one story and start of a new one. Can't have sheep no more where I grew up in the Va mountains for the coyotes.
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Post by spiceman on Dec 22, 2016 22:38:51 GMT -5
Coyotes been here many years but the numbers are going. Coyote fur has no value, one good thing about a coyote is fertilizer when they are in the ground. Maybe.
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Post by Garage Rocker on Dec 22, 2016 23:05:03 GMT -5
Coyotes been here many years but the numbers are going. Coyote fur has no value, one good thing about a coyote is fertilizer when they are in the ground. Maybe. The 'kill em all' philosophy is short sighted and small minded, regardless of the species. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 23:09:41 GMT -5
Here in the Carolinas the house cats and feral cats disappear when the coyotes appear. We have Carolina Dogs, part coyote, part dog, and part wolf. Been here since Indian times. Cats must be getting caught by the coyotes. The cats that stay by the house stay around for years. Every new cat we have had that wonders back in the woods gets gone quick. 20-30 years ago coyotes were rare here and we never lost cats. A house cat gut package is a perfect meal for a coyote. They leave the body behind around here. |
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 22, 2016 23:20:37 GMT -5
Scott, The mite that cause sarcoptic mange is very contagious and spreads the condition rapidly among animals that have social structures, which is most likely why it goes through coyote populations so aggressively. As I said coyotes are scarce here but other small predators are not. Weird to see it in a porcupine as they tend to be more solitary. Seems rarer in foxes too but the reason I had to put the porky down is I was afraid to get in into our raccoon population. We kind of enjoy them little rascals and many of ours are quite tame and bring their babies by every year. The babies are better than watching the funnies on TV.
Wow! That's a big coyote James. We had issues with our Mouflon lambs being killed one year but those rascals breed like gerbils so no big deal. We run about a hundred cattle here but, probably due to the low coyote population, never seem to lose calves to them. The coyotes don't seem to bother blackbuck much but man do mountain lions like backbuck does. When they come through we find dead blackbuck all over the place for a few weeks and those are more valuable so that hurts. We get coy-dogs every now and then running with our rarer coyotes. Had a pack led by a coy-dog shadowing me on a walk a few years ago. Dang pack leader was like twice the size of the regular coyotes and made strange vocalizations too. Odd duck!...Mel
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Post by jamesp on Dec 22, 2016 23:43:09 GMT -5
Scott, The mite that cause sarcoptic mange is very contagious and spreads the condition rapidly among animals that have social structures, which is most likely why it goes through coyote populations so aggressively. As I said coyotes are scarce here but other small predators are not. Weird to see it in a porcupine as they tend to be more solitary. Seems rarer in foxes too but the reason I had to put the porky down is I was afraid to get in into our raccoon population. We kind of enjoy them little rascals and many of ours are quite tame and bring their babies by every year. The babies are better than watching the funnies on TV. Wow! That's a big coyote James. We had issues with our Mouflon lambs being killed one year but those rascals breed like gerbils so no big deal. We run about a hundred cattle here but, probably due to the low coyote population, never seem to lose calves to them. The coyotes don't seem to bother blackbuck much but man do mountain lions like backbuck does. When they come through we find dead blackbuck all over the place for a few weeks and those are more valuable so that hurts. We get coy-dogs every now and then running with our rarer coyotes. Had a pack led by a coy-dog shadowing me on a walk a few years ago. Dang pack leader was like twice the size of the regular coyotes and made strange vocalizations too. Odd duck!...Mel Do you have mountain lions in Texas ? |
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Post by orrum on Dec 23, 2016 5:29:06 GMT -5
I wonder about trail cameras. We have lots of feral hogs aND they very seldom appear in the pics. Ranger told me because they r usually moving on, same for lions. Deer according to him twiddle and fiddle around until the camera takes a pic.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 23, 2016 7:12:12 GMT -5
I wonder about trail cameras. We have lots of feral hogs aND they very seldom appear in the pics. Ranger told me because they r usually moving on, same for lions. Deer according to him twiddle and fiddle around until the camera takes a pic. Never had a coyote or cat photo on a trail cam. Hoping the bait would bring them in. |
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Post by orrum on Dec 23, 2016 9:19:03 GMT -5
Bait should stop them and keep them in the frame until the camera goes off, at least that's my hope!
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 23, 2016 9:37:30 GMT -5
Orrum, Yep we frequently have mountain lions here on the ranch but bears, rarely. If I'm not mistaken, one of the largest cougars ever seen was killed on the road by a car just west of here. Folks have also sent me pics of an unidentified big cat too. Some folks say they are jaguarundis but they are no longer supposed to be around this part of Texas. One pic I received was right by an oak tree trunk and we measured the trunk and if it was a house cat, it was sure a gigantic one. Of course, lots of exotics are running loose here too so as they say, " In Texas, you never know what's gonna step out of the bushes".
We get hogs on our trail cams fairly regularly. If you really want to see some, put out peanuts as bait. They go nuts over them and will come in from quite a distance. Love the nuts so much, they will pretty much stand there while you watch them up close but then, we are a no hunt ranch.....Mel
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Post by jamesp on Dec 23, 2016 9:46:22 GMT -5
Bait should stop them and keep them in the frame until the camera goes off, at least that's my hope! First night they stayed away. Will go back and check today. Certain my scent is keeping them away. Coyote about as trap smart as it gets. They don't do human scents. The buzzards may figure it out and take a try. The buzzards would tickle me too. Trying to pull that meat off he side of the tree up so high off the ground. waxing coyote traps: Use caution that you do not trigger the trap and splash hot dye or wax on yourself. After the traps have been waxed, hang them up somewhere to dry and cool. It is very important that you hang your traps in an area free of strong human or machine odor. ohiooutdoorjournal.com/2013/08/07/pre-season-equipment-preparation-for-the-trap-line/ |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Dec 23, 2016 14:35:42 GMT -5
Researchers are currently doing studies to ascertain why the large increase in mange cases of Southern California wildlife. Not only in coyotes, but also bobcats, others.
In a nutshell, animals that live close to humans, tend to eat animals (rats and mice, etc.) that have been killed with anticoagulant poisons. Many are then killed by the poison themselves. If the poison itself does not kill them, researchers feel that the poisons are lowering the animal's immune systems, and they are being overrun by the mites, which are naturally already present.
Man's expansion into their territory, has not only made them a nuisance for us, but is hazardous also to them.
That's the short and not-so-sweet of it, click on the links to learn more.
Urban Carnivores: Coyotes
Note: graphic photo of a coyote bleeding out after dying from anticoagulant poisoning.
Notoedric Mange: A Sentinel for a Big Problem in our Local Ecosystems
This is the blog of a wildlife rehab/animal advocates Center in LA. Includes some info on what you can do to help (which is strictly frowned on by USFS and animal control, incidentally).
Coyotes, foxes, bobcats with mange in California
Nasty looking photos of a dog with mange on this blog. Easy to see why a normally furred animal can be mistaken for something else (Chupacabra??!!) when it's fur has fallen out and it is all scabby.
I know that there are several different types of mites, including demodectic (Demodex canis) and sarcoptic (Sarcoptes scabiei). Also heard the term "notoedric mange" (Notoedres cati) being bandied about, never heard of it before.
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Post by orrum on Dec 23, 2016 14:44:54 GMT -5
Some dogs, fairly breed specific don't have the ability to develop resistance to mites that cause mange. As vets we use to put those down but now with ivermectrin to kill the mites those dogs live and procreate. This increases the number of dogs with no immune response. My guess is that genetically a lot of coyotes are like the buffalo. All mixed up with domestic blood. Buffalo basically are extinct, what's left are all carrying cattle genes except two small isolated herds, one in Canada and the other here. I bet coyotes in yalls area that you claim are low in population are mixing with dogs real fast. The free roaming dogs should breed them out of existence.
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Post by orrum on Dec 23, 2016 14:45:41 GMT -5
Thanks Mel. I wanna come visit you some time on our way to Az.
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Post by washingtoncharlie on Dec 23, 2016 16:03:56 GMT -5
If coyotes were human beings 99% of them would be in prison. Not sure why anyone would invite them to their homes.
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