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Post by jamesp on Oct 14, 2017 14:16:05 GMT -5
This one hollow. most of it has been partially replaced, so the white tracks from the polyps. The gray spot in the center is a total fill. The other half fell apart as sawing. From an angle down in there. This one got slaughtered for tumbles. Lots of holes in it. This is quite common. Often in 20 to 50 pound coral heads.
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Post by Fossilman on Oct 14, 2017 14:55:49 GMT -5
SWEET!!!
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Post by fernwood on Oct 14, 2017 18:38:34 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by NDK on Oct 15, 2017 9:00:59 GMT -5
Always a pleasure seeing the corals you find James. Your trip reports too.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 15, 2017 10:13:13 GMT -5
Official 'Tough' trip report camera.
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 15, 2017 11:38:13 GMT -5
Very interesting to see the stages of fill. I wonder if the partially filled heads are due to the silica source going away, or just too big for it to permeate fully.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 15, 2017 17:01:39 GMT -5
Very interesting to see the stages of fill. I wonder if the partially filled heads are due to the silica source going away, or just too big for it to permeate fully. They almost always stop filling to the center in a given 'section'. Usually it is the center that is pithy, and the shell is real hard. It appears they seal them selves off. But that is deceptive. You can find one 2 feet around and sledge it to pieces. It will have solidly silicified sections in it, maybe many. The coral in this thread has 3 large 'sections' and one small section at lower right. So 4 'independent' corals. The upper right section pseudomorphed(went botryoidal)over 50%. The left section has a small pseudomorph. But to me, a pith center is a pseudomorph too. most of the pieces you find are these silicified sections. Of a much larger coral. The rest eroded away. some shoals are loaded with 1 to 3 inch silicifications. Some have large sections. One section of the Withlacoochee is covered up on the bottom of the river with 200 to 800 pounders. Not many know it, just the few divers I suppose. It is difficult to do detective work and figure what broke it down - pulp from hard sections. Could be freezing. there is much more coral around high spots. I guess it formed on the high spots. Then the river cut into the hill and it rolled into the river. all that coral is probably close to where it formed back in the day. Doubt tectonic and quake activity has occurred since it was formed. And the river is too flat to carry it far at all. So it does not seem to be like the rio where it was pushed down from 100's of miles away. It has shallow water clam fossils mixed with it. the coral expert said that type of coral forms in 0 to 20 feet of water. so it can be found within a given narrow elevation. That part fascinates me because you can walk a creek, river, deep erosion ditch at that elevation for several hundred miles territory and often find coral. or deep excavations will bring it up. you could collect 1000 feet of that river for a lifetime and not collect all the pseudomorphs. So much of it and it is so camouflaged by moss. Plus you about have to saw them to keep them in tact. I found more than half of mine in an 8' X 6' pocket. Like two 55 gallon drums worth. To heck with the 100+ miles of river I've explored. Mother load. I would imagine there are similar pockets with many tons of it. Probably a decent retirement's value.
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Post by captbob on Oct 15, 2017 18:08:49 GMT -5
You need to find (me/us) THE acre(s) of land to buy that has the best coral. Bring in a backhoe and go to town!
Sell and repeat when coral has been harvested.
Or maybe the present land owner(s) could be talked into renting the land out if it is restored when the digging is done.
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Post by socalagatehound on Oct 15, 2017 19:46:29 GMT -5
All very nice but that first one is special. Great piece! Keep 'em coming!
Craig
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Post by jamesp on Oct 15, 2017 23:49:23 GMT -5
You need to find (me/us) THE acre(s) of land to buy that has the best coral. Bring in a backhoe and go to town! Sell and repeat when coral has been harvested. Or maybe the present land owner(s) could be talked into renting the land out if it is restored when the digging is done. The neighbor at Lake George had contacts and leases at coral exposures. He made a living w/his Tampa rock shop. Traveled out west and sold coral. it was half his income back in the 70' 80's during pinnacle of lapidary. Most of his coral came from a lady's several acre back yard in Zephyr Hills. Tried getting a deer lease on the north property along the coral section for miles of the Withlacoochee but they had a waiting list. It has a 4WD trail along the river, no darn boat needed.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 15, 2017 23:50:04 GMT -5
All very nice but that first one is special. Great piece! Keep 'em coming! Craig Thanks Craig.
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Post by captbob on Oct 16, 2017 0:08:29 GMT -5
Tried getting a deer lease on the north property along the coral section for miles of the Withlacoochee but they had a waiting list. It has a 4WD trail along the river, no darn boat needed. Same principle as a deer lease, but for rock hounding. The owner could still lease it out for deer season. As long as the coral harvesting didn't mess with any agricultural uses, I would think a land owner would be thrilled to lease to someone that just wants the stupid old rocks down by the river. Land access would be a HUGE plus. Being able to bring in a backhoe, as long as any holes are refilled would be even better!
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Post by jamesp on Oct 16, 2017 2:21:20 GMT -5
Tried getting a deer lease on the north property along the coral section for miles of the Withlacoochee but they had a waiting list. It has a 4WD trail along the river, no darn boat needed. Same principle as a deer lease, but for rock hounding. The owner could still lease it out for deer season. As long as the coral harvesting didn't mess with any agricultural uses, I would think a land owner would be thrilled to lease to someone that just wants the stupid old rocks down by the river. Land access would be a HUGE plus. Being able to bring in a backhoe, as long as any holes are refilled would be even better! Talking to the lease manager was a funny conversation. He was not sure about this Atlanta city slicker wanting to collect rocks and not hunt. He was probably going to be held responsible by the other members for not allowing their brothers and cousins waiting in line to join. You are correct, they could lease that property totally during off hunt season to rock hunters. Double income. The guy was totally not interested. My opinion, he was closed minded. His opinion, I was an alien lol. Almost every coral bearing shoal had a road to it. 5 minutes in truck equal to 3 hour boat ride. The other side of the river is River Bend Plantation. River Bend may own both sides including hunt club on other side of river. Not sure. Me was just talking to a lease manager.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 16, 2017 12:38:25 GMT -5
Maybe fantastic5 can use her lady appeal to get a lease. Ferris ?
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Post by Garage Rocker on Oct 16, 2017 12:47:32 GMT -5
Really digging that piece up top. A lot going on in there.
"lady appeal"? You crack me up. Not a bad idea though, certainly less intimidating than us big uglies.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 16, 2017 13:52:09 GMT -5
Really digging that piece up top. A lot going on in there. "lady appeal"? You crack me up. Not a bad idea though, certainly less intimidating than us big uglies. That one must have formed on an extended full moon Randy. It's a bit schizophrenic. The whiskey stain is from a breach in the 'geode cavity' and let the mineral rich water enter and stain. It had escaped the clay and fallen into the river. The 'virgin' ones sealed in clay do not stain except the bots in most cases. Had you seen that rock you would have slapped me for keeping it. it was butt ugly. Often the ugliest have the cool cavities. Book by the cover, etc. Ha ha, bunch of gruff deer hunters getting a proposal from the attractive lady. I can see them scratching their head bewildered, "dang Bubba, what to do". "I don't know Skinner, what's the wife gonna say ?". Bone heads. Very provincial bunch those S Georgia boys.
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Post by fantastic5 on Oct 16, 2017 20:25:38 GMT -5
Here in Tennessee I can use the public surveyor maps to find land owners. Have sent many a letter asking permission to access land to look for agate. Usually send a family picture along too, just to show that I am just an average gal with kids who like to collect rocks and not some corporation wanting to rape and pillage. No luck yet. Maybe I should be knocking on doors. Harder to say no in person. Let's see if we can find out who owns some of the land and go from there.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 17, 2017 3:18:21 GMT -5
Here in Tennessee I can use the public surveyor maps to find land owners. Have sent many a letter asking permission to access land to look for agate. Usually send a family picture along too, just to show that I am just an average gal with kids who like to collect rocks and not some corporation wanting to rape and pillage. No luck yet. Maybe I should be knocking on doors. Harder to say no in person. Let's see if we can find out who owns some of the land and go from there. People are different these days about having people on their property. 30 years ago they were easier going. Like arrowhead hunting. Blame the sue mentality. Land owners have gotten sued for trespassers falling in old wells for instance. Same with trespassers swimming and drowning in land owners lake. Mining operations rarely asked for liability release forms back 20-30 years ago. We used to go into the kaolin mines that were like little Grand Canyons as kids. They were all full of steep bluffs over 100 feet. Wacko judicial system. Trespassers should be responsible for their own stupid actions. The Hispanic American population in S Texas are still living in the past somewhat. Refreshing. And many of them have a welcoming attitude. The sue attitude does not seem to run thru their veins near as much. They don't seem to get that logic. Doubt the judges they appoint do either. Show one of them a bucket of pretty rocks that you have been collecting and they get it. They are more likely to invite you so that they can see what you find on their property. Showing any property owner rocks you are targeting to collect especially if tumbled or cabbed and they may open up to you collecting on their property. Gift them some in the polished form and they may give you an open ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 15:57:25 GMT -5
Here in Tennessee I can use the public surveyor maps to find land owners. Have sent many a letter asking permission to access land to look for agate. Usually send a family picture along too, just to show that I am just an average gal with kids who like to collect rocks and not some corporation wanting to rape and pillage. No luck yet. Maybe I should be knocking on doors. Harder to say no in person. Let's see if we can find out who owns some of the land and go from there. When I wanted land to hunt on. I tried letters (family pic nice idea) to no avail. So I tried canvassing. That is, knocking on doors. I mapped the area I wanted to hunt, drew a plan for how to travel the area efficiently and started knock knock knocking. I wore camo hat but street attire, introduced myself as a local hunter who had all his safety cards and training in place. A copy of the regulations too. I also had in hand and an access form waiting for signing. I explained my desires promised to keep all gates as they were, respect their land as it was my own and only hunt what we agreed upon, and only in season. If kids were there, i promised to train them basic hunting safety stuff and to take them along as well. That last paragraph was quite successful. Payback was duck sausages for all my land owners. Although one guy preferred a case of bud light instead.... Lol Many parallels here. i would do exactly the same. Although jamesp gives finished goods up front. And even to hot waitress's in local diners. Ha!
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Post by fantastic5 on Oct 31, 2017 7:18:05 GMT -5
When I wanted land to hunt on. I tried letters (family pic nice idea) to no avail. So I tried canvassing. That is, knocking on doors. I mapped the area I wanted to hunt, drew a plan for how to travel the area efficiently and started knock knock knocking. I wore camo hat but street attire, introduced myself as a local hunter who had all his safety cards and training in place. A copy of the regulations too. I also had in hand and an access form waiting for signing. I explained my desires promised to keep all gates as they were, respect their land as it was my own and only hunt what we agreed upon, and only in season. If kids were there, i promised to train them basic hunting safety stuff and to take them along as well. That last paragraph was quite successful. Payback was duck sausages for all my land owners. Although one guy preferred a case of bud light instead.... Lol Many parallels here. i would do exactly the same. Although jamesp gives finished goods up front. And even to hot waitress's in local diners. Ha! The last 10 years have been a whorl wind. Getting remarried to a man with full custody of 3 children has really been a wonderful drain on my time and energy. Our last one is a senior high school, our home remodels are coming to an end and I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. My DH and I both agree that it is time to do for us again. This should give me time to knock on doors. My best friend is the talker ( jamesp met her on a coral trip). I can see she and I knocking on doors and hopefully getting permissions. She has been bugging me for years to get a metal detector too. She's had one and really found a lot of neat things. The two sports can actually go hand in hand.
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