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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2018 11:29:50 GMT -5
Excellent example using basalt. The left 3 were started in AO 220 and were removed 3 days later. After 2 days a serious pasty slurry was created from the coarser AO 220. The right three are totally frosted running 2 days in a watery slurry in AO 14,000. The 14,000 never created a slurry being such a fine abrasive. same starting point on rocks same vibe same amount of abrasive same amount of Borax same media and proportion of media Had they been left alone another day in the AO 220 a nice polish would have likely formed. Or more frosting would have accumulated. Had they been left alone another day in the watery AO 14,000 they would have been frosted worse. This failure to polish has no relationship to abrasive other than one of the abrasives made a protective slurry.
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Post by captbob on Jan 2, 2018 11:43:49 GMT -5
You are out playing with tumblers? Isn't it like negative 240 degrees up there?
I have to go to Home Depot and can't talk myself into going outside.
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Post by spiceman on Jan 2, 2018 14:08:46 GMT -5
Lack of slurry in a vibe.... I have a lotto and if there is any slurry The action slows way down. I put in more ceramics to help solve that problem. I also use 1/4 inch cube AO for my abrasive. Free from a tool shop.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2018 18:18:29 GMT -5
You are out playing with tumblers? Isn't it like negative 240 degrees up there? I have to go to Home Depot and can't talk myself into going outside. Stuck in house. Snuck over quick to unload vibe. Turned off rotaries, they were accumulating ice. Wife and I went downtown. She dropped me off in the architectural art district and she went to a big thrift store. Several high end tiles stores. I looked at glass/agate/stone tiles. Two handsome gals took me in the back room and we dug around for discontinued glass tile sample cards. They were in awe that I was going to tumble glass tiles, new concept to them. Could not find them, they assumed the janitor threw them out. Said there was a whole pallet full of sample cards. Damn !(no photos of the gals sorry)
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Post by MsAli on Jan 2, 2018 18:26:24 GMT -5
Ahh was wondering why you were so quiet today
What determines if a gal is "handsome" or is that a Southern thing?
I was looking at places in Atlanta for glass, got me curious .........I wonder if you could get scrap from them??? check out Janke Glass Studio
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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2018 18:36:00 GMT -5
Lack of slurry in a vibe.... I have a lotto and if there is any slurry The action slows way down. I put in more ceramics to help solve that problem. I also use 1/4 inch cube AO for my abrasive. Free from a tool shop. Slurry slows down your Lot-O spice ?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2018 19:28:38 GMT -5
Ahh was wondering why you were so quiet today What determines if a gal is "handsome" or is that a Southern thing? I was looking at places in Atlanta for glass, got me curious .........I wonder if you could get scrap from them??? check out Janke Glass Studio I have visited the Janke studio on Auburn in Inman Park. Been a long time. The other on Georgia Ave is close by, believe it is a larger studio. Funny I had been considering stopping by there, mind reading ? I figured they may reuse most of their scarps for classes. The attractive girls were totally bored. Had to be.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 2, 2018 19:48:47 GMT -5
Ahh was wondering why you were so quiet today What determines if a gal is "handsome" or is that a Southern thing? I was looking at places in Atlanta for glass, got me curious .........I wonder if you could get scrap from them??? check out Janke Glass Studio I have visited the Janke studio on Auburn in Inman Park. Been a long time. The other on Georgia Ave is close by, believe it is a larger studio. Funny I had been considering stopping by there, mind reading ? I figured they may reuse most of their scarps for classes. The attractive girls were totally bored. Had to be. Great minds think alike?? It wouldn't hurt to stop by there., ya never know. You just might get into glass blowing. I follow them on IG and have been lusting over thier lamps shades and chandeliers . As I do most glass blowers stuff..... But then what would I ever do with one??? Sigh.... Bored? Doubt it... I
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Post by spiceman on Jan 2, 2018 22:05:17 GMT -5
Lack of slurry in a vibe.... I have a lotto and if there is any slurry The action slows way down. I put in more ceramics to help solve that problem. I also use 1/4 inch cube AO for my abrasive. Free from a tool shop. Slurry slows down your Lot-O spice ? Thin slurry is ok but thick slurry is bad or too much. Well James I didn't describe it enough. If the slurry is thin it works good, now I use very little water. Mist bottle. But ceramics help to keep the slurry very low.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2018 23:11:22 GMT -5
Slurry slows down your Lot-O spice ? Thin slurry is ok but thick slurry is bad or too much. Well James I didn't describe it enough. If the slurry is thin it works good, now I use very little water. Mist bottle. But ceramics help to keep the slurry very low. I am having luck getting the rocks to maintain motion in the hopper with a thick slurry. It may be a big help when running soft rocks. The Mini Sonic hoppers are a perfectly round cylinder in shape and easy to maintain motion. Thick slurries slow the motion but I have yet to have it stop with some serious near dry and thick slurry.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2018 23:19:09 GMT -5
I have visited the Janke studio on Auburn in Inman Park. Been a long time. The other on Georgia Ave is close by, believe it is a larger studio. Funny I had been considering stopping by there, mind reading ? I figured they may reuse most of their scarps for classes. The attractive girls were totally bored. Had to be. Great minds think alike?? It wouldn't hurt to stop by there., ya never know. You just might get into glass blowing. I follow them on IG and have been lusting over thier lamps shades and chandeliers . As I do most glass blowers stuff..... But then what would I ever do with one??? Sigh.... Bored? Doubt it... I I'll just schedule a trip ! They have a shop on Auburn Ave. in an upbeat industrial mall/apartment building. Where artists live/make and sell their stuff. Eclectic spot. The neighborhood around Georgia Avenue is not such a desirable place to hang out at last I remember. Maybe they have cleaned that area up. They must have a reputation if you had heard of them from such a distance.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 3, 2018 0:37:39 GMT -5
The adventures of Jim post pictures of your trip there. Seriously you should take a glass blowing class. I was searching glass makers one day on Instagram and one of their light fixtures caught my eye. The most interesting places sometimes are in the least desirable areas-wonder why that is?? How is the rooster coming along??
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2018 7:04:31 GMT -5
The adventures of Jim post pictures of your trip there. Seriously you should take a glass blowing class. I was searching glass makers one day on Instagram and one of their light fixtures caught my eye. The most interesting places sometimes are in the least desirable areas-wonder why that is?? How is the rooster coming along?? The glass blowing would be perfect for this winter since heat is involved. Maybe classes would be fun. I always self teach, not sure about going back to school after 35 years. Probably too caught up in tumbling at the moment. And welding polyethylene. I have to begin a construction project, adding a 2 story 26' X 20' addition to the back of this tiny cabin. Am collecting steel from the boneyard to do the frame and footings. Busy spring coming for this old man. Been psyching up for a year to get the Zen charged . It will be the 6th building I have built. No more after this. Tumblers had to be shut down for the past week due to cold weather. Poor rooster is sitting dormant. The vibe can be run in the cold as the motor keeps it from freezing.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2018 7:29:08 GMT -5
spicemanThe Lot-O has an egg shaped hopper. I am certain it provides better mixing than a cylinder hopper. Same with bowl hoppers. But the better mixing about has to create more friction. Especially as the slurry thickens. I am considering making an instant slurry in the Mini Sonic barrels AND increasing the counterweight to maintain rock motion. I really think that thick slurries are the key to tumbling large rocks and soft rocks. Or loads that are mostly soft rocks with little media. This is 2 equal loads. Slurry thickener added to the right side. Just added water to both sides. Little media, 30% obsidian 20% agate 50% soft rhyolite. The right side was darn near stopped before adding water. I could not find a single bruise mark on the obsidian with the thick slurry. note how the left side is bouncing, not good This is the slowest this vibe will run with thin watery slick Borax slurry and round media. Even with counterbalance running most gentle setting it still has a fast motion. if I increase the counterbalance it will have about 4 times faster motion. Very fast.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2018 8:49:31 GMT -5
1/2" media and some beat up basalt out of thin slurry AO 14,000 Much more finicky than obsidian or glass or fluorite for that matter.
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Post by tkvancil on Jan 3, 2018 9:22:14 GMT -5
The psyllium I use in the vibe makes even AO polish thick. It has the look and heft of a slurry only white of course.
I'm somewhat surprised that more people don't use the stuff. I first saw it talked about here. Ingawh posted her obsidian tumble which got raves.
Something else to experiment with?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2018 9:36:31 GMT -5
The psyllium I use in the vibe makes even AO polish thick. It has the look and heft of a slurry only white of course. I'm somewhat surprised that more people don't use the stuff. I first saw it talked about here. Ingawh posted her obsidian tumble which got raves. Something else to experiment with? Got my eye on psyllium Ken. A non-abrasive thickener for a vibe can be tricky to find. Tried it back when Ingawh popped up. Liked it. You said what needed to be said, "makes even AO polish thick". If there is any time in the cycle where you need protective slurry it is the polish step. The most sensitive step. How much water and psyllium do you add in say your UV 18 to get a thick-ish paste ?(I'll do the math on my size vibe) Generic psyllium or some name brand ? Where I failed with psyllium, I never dialed in the recipe for thickening. My vibe recipe is very similar to Ingawh's, including the high grade quartz pea gravel media. She got these techniques from her friend, a high production tumbling operation. He made fine tumbles on a large scale. Trust his ways.
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Post by tkvancil on Jan 3, 2018 9:58:35 GMT -5
jamesp I use 1 & 1/2 level teaspoons in the 18. Original recipe was 1/4 teaspoon in a Lot-O. I bought the generic store brand, no flavoring or such. Water ... Just slightly wetter than normal if that makes sense. I put the polish in first, as soon as it is well distributed slowly add psyllium. Action slows immediately and the polish and psyllium begins to congeal. The coating becomes uneven with thick "snail trails". This will break down into a smooth thick slurry in between 2 to 4 hours. When I first used it I over watered. No problem ... sprinkle in a little more fiber. I think the psyllium "drinks up" the water which gets released as the fiber breaks down. My last run needed another 1/4 tsp. on day two
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Post by MsAli on Jan 3, 2018 10:37:12 GMT -5
The adventures of Jim post pictures of your trip there. Seriously you should take a glass blowing class. I was searching glass makers one day on Instagram and one of their light fixtures caught my eye. The most interesting places sometimes are in the least desirable areas-wonder why that is?? How is the rooster coming along?? The glass blowing would be perfect for this winter since heat is involved. Maybe classes would be fun. I always self teach, not sure about going back to school after 35 years. Probably too caught up in tumbling at the moment. And welding polyethylene. I have to begin a construction project, adding a 2 story 26' X 20' addition to the back of this tiny cabin. Am collecting steel from the boneyard to do the frame and footings. Busy spring coming for this old man. Been psyching up for a year to get the Zen charged . It will be the 6th building I have built. No more after this. Tumblers had to be shut down for the past week due to cold weather. Poor rooster is sitting dormant. The vibe can be run in the cold as the motor keeps it from freezing. From what I read, they are short classes. I would love to do it. Not anyone here anymore offering classes unless it is at Christmas to make an ornament.
You would think by now one of those building would be heated to keep your tumblers warm.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2018 12:50:25 GMT -5
jamesp I use 1 & 1/2 level teaspoons in the 18. Original recipe was 1/4 teaspoon in a Lot-O. I bought the generic store brand, no flavoring or such. Water ... Just slightly wetter than normal if that makes sense. I put the polish in first, as soon as it is well distributed slowly add psyllium. Action slows immediately and the polish and psyllium begins to congeal. The coating becomes uneven with thick "snail trails". This will break down into a smooth thick slurry in between 2 to 4 hours. When I first used it I over watered. No problem ... sprinkle in a little more fiber. I think the psyllium "drinks up" the water which gets released as the fiber breaks down. My last run needed another 1/4 tsp. on day two It makes sense. Was curious about the break down too. Never really figured that out. It serves me better if it settles to slurry within 30 minutes as the vibe is a long ways away. No big deal. That delay was the problem I had with it so I went back to sugar. Sugar messy. Limited in viscosity and difficult to clean off. Liked your results on your recent batches. Ingawh's results too. snail trails, good one. Thanks
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