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Post by TheRock on Nov 21, 2018 18:50:50 GMT -5
Everyone knows that cleaning you Cab Machine or Lap Machine is no fun at all. A matter of fact it is a Royal Bitch. Sorry for the french but I just tell it how it is. The Hard Clay Mud is a pistol as it sticks to everything. Well try this after you clean your machine up real good, use soft nylon brushes, and a Squirt Bottle or even better a 2 gal pump up sprayer filled with water to spray and brush and loosen all the clay mud and spray it off once clean use WD-40 and spray all your Pans, Covers, Sides, All Stainless, All 6 grinding wheels sides, and wheels themself. Then add a few ounces to your fresh water supply I have a 5 gal bucket I keep filled with 1 Gal Jug's In my Shop So I add about 4 ounces per 4-5 gals of fresh water and stir it up. You will find the Clay Mud no longer sticks to the Machine After use flush it clay mud down the drain hose to your bucket and pour the WD-40 water from yer 5 gal bucket where you don't want grass to grow. The key is start with a clean machine then spray WD on all surfaces. I spoke to Kieth at Cab King today and got his feelings on this and he said he doesn't see a problem doing this. I have been doing this for the past two months and it works great. I use the WD with the flip up straw and the gallon to add to the water. Every so often you need to treat the machine again but it beats the hell outta what ya had to go through before to clean it. The WD-40 will want to seperate and be ontop of the water but will prevent evaporation.
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Post by stonemon on Nov 21, 2018 19:48:04 GMT -5
Not so good to expose yourself to this toxin. Here is part of the MSDS. Clean is good but alive is better. Bill
Material Safety Data Sheet 1 - Chemical Product and Company Identification Manufacturer: WD40 Company Address: 1061 Cudahy Place (92110) P.O. Box 80607 San Diego, California, USA 92138 Chemical Name: Organic Mixture Trade Name: WD 40 Product Use: Lubricant, Penetrant, Drives Out Moisture, Removes and Protec ts Surfaces From Corrosion MSDS Date Of Preparation: 3/11/10 2 – Hazards Identification Emergency Overview: DANGER! Flammable Harmful or fatal if swallowed. If swallowed, may be aspirated and cause lung damage. May cau se eye irritation. Avoid eye contact. Use with adequate ventilation. Keep away from heat, sparks and all other sources of ignition. Symptoms of Overexposure: Inhalation: High concentrations may cause nasal and respiratory irritation and central nervous system effects such as headache, dizziness and nausea. Intentional abuse may be harmful or fatal. Skin Contact: Prolonged and/or repeated contact may produce mild irritation and defatting with possible dermatitis. Eye Contact: Contact may be irritating to eyes. May cause redness and tearing. Ingestion: This product has low oral toxicity. Swallowing may cause gastrointestinal irritation, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. This product is an aspiration hazard. If swallowed, can enter the lungs and may cause chemical pneumonitis, severe lung damage and death. Chronic Effects: None expected. Medical Conditions Aggravated by Exposure: Preexisting eye, skin and respiratory conditions may be aggravated by exposure.
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Post by NRG on Nov 21, 2018 19:53:22 GMT -5
I have to disagree about how nasty WD-40 is. That MSDS has to report the absolute WORST CASE scenario and even that doesn't seem so bad.
I've use a lot if it (not as much as our OP though) and find it quite innocuous.
I'd like to thank Rock for testing and posting this concept
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 21, 2018 20:06:31 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with coating the machine surfaces with WD-40 (wear gloves), but I would not put it in the fresh water supply. It will, over time, cause defatting in your hands. Don't want that to happen!
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Post by taylor on Nov 21, 2018 20:27:30 GMT -5
Worse than the defatting in your hands is the fact that whatever you absorb (through skin AND lungs) collects in your endrocrine system and your body cannot get rid of it. This causes organs like the liver and adrenal glands to stop functioning. My mother is primary adrenal insufficient due to exposure to aliphatic hydrocarbons. Please believe me when I say you do NOT want this type of damage to your body. Much better to live with the rock snot or do the scrubbing!
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Post by aDave on Nov 21, 2018 20:29:37 GMT -5
Not so good to expose yourself to this toxin. Here is part of the MSDS. Clean is good but alive is better. Bill I gotta disagree with your interpretation. The MSDS only cites short-term exposure issues. As far as chronic exposures, there are none listed. Chronic Effects: None expected.Now, I'm not advocating throwing caution to the wind simply because there are no chronic effects listed, but I'm not seeing a threat of death being an issue. ETA: Defatting? I'd like to see an explanation of how this might happen by use of the product and what it means over the long term. Not asking to be critical.
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Post by NRG on Nov 21, 2018 20:52:51 GMT -5
I gotta disagree with your interpretation. The MSDS only cites short-term exposure issues. As far as chronic exposures, there are none listed. Chronic Effects: None expected.Now, I'm not advocating throwing caution to the wind simply because there are no chronic effects listed, but I'm not seeing a threat of death being an issue. ETA: Defatting? I'd like to see an explanation of how this might happen by use of the product and what it means over the long term. Not asking to be critical. Defatting is the dissolution of skin oils by solvents. I don't see WD-40 doing this, even if you soaked your hand in it. Acetone or other solvents like Methylene Chloride definitely will "burn" your skin by defatting. I once fell feet first in a vat 4' deep in Methylene Chloride. I hit the bottom launched myself back up and out of the tank, hit the ground and stripped. By the time I was naked I had zero oil on my entire body. Luckily my boss saw me stripping and responded with a giant bottle of hand lotion. Lol
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Post by TheRock on Nov 22, 2018 0:55:25 GMT -5
I gotta disagree with your interpretation. The MSDS only cites short-term exposure issues. As far as chronic exposures, there are none listed. Chronic Effects: None expected.Now, I'm not advocating throwing caution to the wind simply because there are no chronic effects listed, but I'm not seeing a threat of death being an issue. ETA: Defatting? I'd like to see an explanation of how this might happen by use of the product and what it means over the long term. Not asking to be critical. Defatting is the dissolution of skin oils by solvents. I don't see WD-40 doing this, even if you soaked your hand in it. Acetone or other solvents like Methylene Chloride definitely will "burn" your skin by defatting. I once fell feet first in a vat 4' deep in Methylene Chloride. I hit the bottom launched myself back up and out of the tank, hit the ground and stripped. By the time I was naked I had zero oil on my entire body. Luckily my boss saw me stripping and responded with a giant bottle of hand lotion. Lol Doode' and Doodesess I came from a time where we used to chew led paint off the windowsills and they said we wouldn't live past 50 "well 50 came and went years ago! We used to sit and contrive up ways to spring Jokes on the local Cop's. We never failed. They say we would never stay out of Prison! I don't recall ever being there. of course there was that Alien Encounter in the Mid 70's They Barred me never to Return, Something I Said to the Alien Queen, Oh Well Shit Happens! Ive been an HVAC Contractor for 36 Years. I breathed more Fumes from tourches, welding, Asbestos, you name it I breathed it. A Little common sense goes along way Ive used it for years with no Ill effects. I have a friend that went to the Doctor for arthritis and took all kinds of pills nothing worked till he rubbed WD-40 on his joints 20 years ago doodes got moves like jagger! A True Rock Lover will adapt and overcome! Happy Thanksgivin!
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Post by Pat on Nov 22, 2018 1:14:02 GMT -5
TheRock it took me a bit to figure out doode and doodesess. Around here, we are dudes and dudettes : )
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Post by TheRock on Nov 22, 2018 1:36:45 GMT -5
TheRock it took me a bit to figure out doode and doodesess. Around here, we are dudes and dudettes : ) I know but Same Song, Same Meaning, Different Verse, but same outcome as the first. I'll clean up my act!
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Post by agatemaggot on Nov 22, 2018 2:14:12 GMT -5
WD 40 is a pretty strong solvent , has anyone tried Spam or spray type Olive oil ? Spray type Silicone might work or Rain X ? . There may be a host of products out there that might work but if it's working don't fix it right ?
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Post by TheRock on Nov 22, 2018 2:57:45 GMT -5
WD 40 is a pretty strong solvent , has anyone tried Spam or spray type Olive oil ? Spray type Silicone might work or Rain X ? . There may be a host of products out there that might work but if it's working don't fix it right ? Well there maybe other things people use mineral oil in their saws? I know guys in the Auto Mechanic Industry that uses all kinds of Chemicals for Years with no Ill Effects? The point is WD-40 does make clean ups alot easier. That's the point.
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Post by TheRock on Nov 22, 2018 4:30:26 GMT -5
Ya know just sitting here I'm getting or feeling a little peckish, My Mom and Dads Ole house is about ten Blocks away I wonder if the guy who owns the House would mind if I can go chew some on the Windowsills I'm feeling a Little Lead De-fficiency!
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 22, 2018 9:48:37 GMT -5
Not so good to expose yourself to this toxin. Here is part of the MSDS. Clean is good but alive is better. Bill I gotta disagree with your interpretation. The MSDS only cites short-term exposure issues. As far as chronic exposures, there are none listed. Chronic Effects: None expected.Now, I'm not advocating throwing caution to the wind simply because there are no chronic effects listed, but I'm not seeing a threat of death being an issue. ETA: Defatting? I'd like to see an explanation of how this might happen by use of the product and what it means over the long term. Not asking to be critical. The explanation NRG gave for defatting is good. WD-40 does cause defatting (even says so in the MSDS), but I don't think it's nasty like soaking your hands in kerosene, but it can cause dermatitis.
I use WD-40 around the house for stuff, but when I do use it and it may get on my skin, I use gloves. Everyone is different in terms of their tolerance to irritants, so one person may not really have any adverse effects and the next person might. Here's a link to pictures of irritant dermatitis. I just don't want my hands to look like this from using something I know causes defatting.
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Post by NRG on Nov 22, 2018 9:50:43 GMT -5
I'm with Rock. I chewed lead paint as a kid too. Lol(true dat!) Society is so hyperprotective over every danged thing. To the point of stupidity. It's probably the source of autism. Hyperclean homes and mom's won't let kids play in the dirt. So beneficial symbiotic bacteria don't get ingested and the child suffers. WD 40 is about as innocuous a substance as can be had in society. TheRock thanks for your research!
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Post by woodman on Nov 22, 2018 10:52:43 GMT -5
In my 18 inch saw I have been using ATF, saw stays real clean and the solids settle out real good. Used mineral oil for a few years and the solids stayed suspended in solution and made a good mess in no time. Used gallons of wd-40 as a cleaning agent on helicopters, I was always soaked in jet fuel, will live until I die.
Hope everyone on here has a wonderful Thanksgiving!
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 22, 2018 10:53:01 GMT -5
I'm with Rock. I chewed lead paint as a kid too. Lol(true dat!) Society is so hyperprotective over every danged thing. To the point of stupidity. It's probably the source of autism. Hyperclean homes and mom's won't let kids play in the dirt. So beneficial symbiotic bacteria don't get ingested and the child suffers. WD 40 is about as innocuous a substance as can be had in society. TheRock thanks for your research! I'm not a crazy lady when it comes to that stuff. I do know my own tolerances for it. My hands get like sand paper and itch like all get out when I use Mr. Clean to wash my floors without gloves on. Don't remember chewing lead paint as a kid, but certainly played in the dirt and I'm sure ingested enough of it, drank water from the hose, etc. I'm still alive. I don't allow anti-bacterial soap in my house. Regular soap and water work just fine. I use WD-40 and haven't had any ill effects that I know of. I just don't soak my hands in it.
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Post by stonemon on Nov 22, 2018 10:55:35 GMT -5
Hey all, Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I firmly believe in dirt exposure, chewing on window sills and allowing kids to develop their immune systems. I spent my life working in the trades as a general contractor and have breathed just about every toxic substance that our culture has come up with. 50 has come and gone for me many years past also. I consider myself lucky to still be healthy and mostly able to live a normal life. That being said, I never intentionally ingest toxic chemicals when it is easy to avoid. I would not choose to breath the mist coming off of a WD-40/water mix. Just a personal choice. I cut a lot of toxic stones and wear breathing protection. Just a personal choice. I feel that if one makes a choice about something like this it is good to be informed. Hence the MSDS. TheRock, nothing personal here. Your devotion to tidy shop habits is enviable. I use WD-40 in my shop also. Just a different approach. Best regards, Bill
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Post by NRG on Nov 22, 2018 12:45:49 GMT -5
I'm with Rock. I chewed lead paint as a kid too. Lol(true dat!) Society is so hyperprotective over every danged thing. To the point of stupidity. It's probably the source of autism. Hyperclean homes and mom's won't let kids play in the dirt. So beneficial symbiotic bacteria don't get ingested and the child suffers. WD 40 is about as innocuous a substance as can be had in society. TheRock thanks for your research! I'm not a crazy lady when it comes to that stuff. I do know my own tolerances for it. My hands get like sand paper and itch like all get out when I use Mr. Clean to wash my floors without gloves on. Don't remember chewing lead paint as a kid, but certainly played in the dirt and I'm sure ingested enough of it, drank water from the hose, etc. I'm still alive. I don't allow anti-bacterial soap in my house. Regular soap and water work just fine. I use WD-40 and haven't had any ill effects that I know of. I just don't soak my hands in it. You and I replied almost in the same minute. I was replying to the original MSDS post. Happy Holidays!
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 22, 2018 13:02:27 GMT -5
I have experienced major skin issues with WD40, used to use it as rust prevention on rubber molds until I was able to do a test and prove to the boss that it actually caused steel to begin to rust sooner than untreated steel. I never buy the stuff any more, If I need a penetrating oil there are scores of superior products, and I use nitrile gloves with them all. As for ATF, it's good to note that woodman Bob's saws are in an open air shed where the really nasty anti-wear additives don't get inhaled too much. Yeah, I know, safety troll... I use the water additive for trim saws mixed at half strength for drilling, and the drill press stays pretty clean, maybe I'll see how it affects the genie water, but so far my pressure washer does the job nicely.
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