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Post by aDave on Jan 29, 2019 22:39:55 GMT -5
Real nice build Rob..Do you think plasti-dip to coat the rollers would work ? I don’t know.. Can it be painted on, or do you need to dip it? I’ve never used the stuff. Rob, to build upon what Thunder69 mentioned, it can be painted on. I've used both the dip and spray version of the product, and I REALLY like the spray version far better for more "precision" work. It's been years since I used the "dip" version, but the problem I see with that is that it would be very had to regulate thickness along your rollers, especially if you were brushing it on. The spray version is very easy to control, surfaces can be masked if needed, and it goes on evenly. Since it acts like a spray paint, it's very easy to control how thick you want it in terms of coats. That said, consider it like spray paint in that you won't be able to get it as thick as the hose material you're currently using. It's a "hair" thicker than spray paint, but you're not going to build up a 1/8" thickness, IMHO. Well, maybe you can, but it would take alot of product and time. I imagine it would tolerate tumbling barrels being run on them. We sprayed the outside bottom of a large stainless steel dog food bowl, just to help keep it in place. Though the bowl could still be scooted around by the dog, the coating survived being scraped across concrete. While it may be durable and easy to work with, I don't know how much a thinner shaft (without the hose) would affect your barrel RPMS. Not sure if that's an issue for you or not. |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jan 29, 2019 23:08:51 GMT -5
Actually, my barrels are turning a bit faster than I’d like right now, so going thinner wouldn’t be a problem.
If I spray this stuff on, won’t I waste most of it on overspray since the shafts are only 3/4 inch wide? If it’s cheap, it doesn’t matter. I have no idea how much it costs. I’ll go look that up now.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Jan 29, 2019 23:24:41 GMT -5
If the spray on coating does not work then what? How hard is it going to be to get that stuff off good enough to slide on another type of tubing. If slowing things down is not a problem I would just take off the covers all together. With soft rubber barrels and both shafts being driven by a high torque motor the barrels will not slip.
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Post by aDave on Jan 29, 2019 23:28:30 GMT -5
Actually, my barrels are turning a bit faster than I’d like right now, so going thinner wouldn’t be a problem. If I spray this stuff on, won’t I waste most of it on overspray since the shafts are only 3/4 inch wide? If it’s cheap, it doesn’t matter. I have no idea how much it costs. I’ll go look that up now. Yeah, you'll have loss due to overspray, since you're not working with a large flat surface. I can't remember if the can comes with an adjustable nozzle where you can change the orientation of the fan spray. |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jan 29, 2019 23:32:42 GMT -5
Actually, my barrels are turning a bit faster than I’d like right now, so going thinner wouldn’t be a problem. If I spray this stuff on, won’t I waste most of it on overspray since the shafts are only 3/4 inch wide? If it’s cheap, it doesn’t matter. I have no idea how much it costs. I’ll go look that up now. Yeah, you'll have loss due to overspray, since you're not working with a large flat surface. I can't remember if the can comes with an adjustable nozzle where you can change the orientation of the fan spray. It’s only about six bucks a can, so it’s not a big deal. I can place two shafts next to each other and get both at the same time. |
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Post by aDave on Jan 29, 2019 23:33:46 GMT -5
If the spray on coating does not work then what? How hard is it going to be to get that stuff off good enough to slide on another type of tubing. If slowing things down is not a problem I would just take off the covers all together. With soft rubber barrels and both shafts being driven by a high torque motor the barrels will not slip. Chuck To be honest, Chuck, I don't know how hard it is to remove, as I've never tried it before. The product website indicates its peelable, but I don't know if that applies to the spray version or not. But, you make a great point about the covers possibly not being needed. |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jan 29, 2019 23:36:09 GMT -5
If the spray on coating does not work then what? How hard is it going to be to get that stuff off good enough to slide on another type of tubing. If slowing things down is not a problem I would just take off the covers all together. With soft rubber barrels and both shafts being driven by a high torque motor the barrels will not slip. Chuck I thought of doing that too, now that I see how well the harder plastic tubing grips. Tightening the belt seems to have fixed the shedding problem. |
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Post by NDK on Feb 3, 2019 10:24:59 GMT -5
Rob I've never used it but have seen a bunch online of guys using the spray plasti-dip on cars. They'll do wheels, trim, even the whole car. IIRC it's easier to peel if it's a thicker layer. I also recall seeing some weird spray gun, so IDK if it's a certain product or if the spray can you buy at the home store is what they use.
Good luck!
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Post by Jugglerguy on Feb 3, 2019 10:42:24 GMT -5
Rob I've never used it but have seen a bunch online of guys using the spray plasti-dip on cars. They'll do wheels, trim, even the whole car. IIRC it's easier to peel if it's a thicker layer. I also recall seeing some weird spray gun, so IDK if it's a certain product or if the spray can you buy at the home store is what they use. Good luck! I was looking up the price of a can the other day and ran across videos showing how to spray a whole car in plasti-dip. Seems like a weird finish to put on a car. It would probably be good in a hail storm though. |
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Post by RWA3006 on Feb 4, 2019 18:45:43 GMT -5
I don’t know.. Can it be painted on, or do you need to dip it? I’ve never used the stuff. Rob, to build upon what Thunder69 mentioned, it can be painted on. I've used both the dip and spray version of the product, and I REALLY like the spray version far better for more "precision" work. It's been years since I used the "dip" version, but the problem I see with that is that it would be very had to regulate thickness along your rollers, especially if you were brushing it on. The spray version is very easy to control, surfaces can be masked if needed, and it goes on evenly. Since it acts like a spray paint, it's very easy to control how thick you want it in terms of coats. That said, consider it like spray paint in that you won't be able to get it as thick as the hose material you're currently using. It's a "hair" thicker than spray paint, but you're not going to build up a 1/8" thickness, IMHO. Well, maybe you can, but it would take alot of product and time. I imagine it would tolerate tumbling barrels being run on them. We sprayed the outside bottom of a large stainless steel dog food bowl, just to help keep it in place. Though the bowl could still be scooted around by the dog, the coating survived being scraped across concrete. While it may be durable and easy to work with, I don't know how much a thinner shaft (without the hose) would affect your barrel RPMS. Not sure if that's an issue for you or not. I've learned that if you use the spray version, or any spray paint for that matter, it helps to place the can in a sink half full of hot tap water for a few minutes. It sprays more evenly and dries quicker, plus you get that last little bit out when can gets empty. |
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Post by aDave on Feb 4, 2019 18:57:30 GMT -5
I've learned that if you use the spray version, or any spray paint for that matter, it helps to place the can in a sink half full of hot tap water for a few minutes. It sprays more evenly and dries quicker, plus you get that last little bit out when can gets empty. I use the warm water trick whenever I'm spraying and it's cool out. Works well. |
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Post by rockhaulermike on Dec 20, 2019 13:28:59 GMT -5
Hello Jugglerguy I found you... and your Custom Tumbler Post...
I just went to Lowes and pickup a piece of Plywood and some 2X's.
I'am not sure I'm putting mine in a Cabinet I plan on putting mine on Rollers that have locking wheels
So I can move it around. Just wanted to say hello and Tag this Post so I could find it again.
You guy's did a really awesome job on that. I've seen a lot of great Ideas on here so far.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 21, 2019 9:55:51 GMT -5
Hello Jugglerguy I found you... and your Custom Tumbler Post... I just went to Lowes and pickup a piece of Plywood and some 2X's. I'am not sure I'm putting mine in a Cabinet I plan on putting mine on Rollers that have locking wheels So I can move it around. Just wanted to say hello and Tag this Post so I could find it again. You guy's did a really awesome job on that. I've seen a lot of great Ideas on here so far. Take a look at Drummond Island Rocks's posts too. This was all his idea. I just copied his ideas. I'm glad you found this site. I learned everything I know about working with rocks here. There are a lot of really knowledgeable people who are willing to help. |
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Post by RocksInNJ on Dec 21, 2019 12:20:04 GMT -5
Hello Jugglerguy I found you... and your Custom Tumbler Post... I just went to Lowes and pickup a piece of Plywood and some 2X's. I'am not sure I'm putting mine in a Cabinet I plan on putting mine on Rollers that have locking wheels So I can move it around. Just wanted to say hello and Tag this Post so I could find it again. You guy's did a really awesome job on that. I've seen a lot of great Ideas on here so far. Take a look at Drummond Island Rocks 's posts too. This was all his idea. I just copied his ideas. I'm glad you found this site. I learned everything I know about working with rocks here. There are a lot of really knowledgeable people who are willing to help. You guys both did a tremendous job on those tumblers. I’m hoping to someday take on this task myself, if I ever get that many rocks. I think it would be cool to add sliding metal trays under each row in case of blow outs to make cleanup much easier, but don’t know how it could be done with the belts on the sides. It would probably be to cumbersome to the design and add to the weight as well. |
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Post by rockhaulermike on Dec 24, 2019 18:08:15 GMT -5
Take a look at Drummond Island Rocks 's posts too. This was all his idea. I just copied his ideas. I'm glad you found this site. I learned everything I know about working with rocks here. There are a lot of really knowledgeable people who are willing to help. You guys both did a tremendous job on those tumblers. I’m hoping to someday take on this task myself, if I ever get that many rocks. I think it would be cool to add sliding metal trays under each row in case of blow outs to make cleanup much easier, but don’t know how it could be done with the belts on the sides. It would probably be to cumbersome to the design and add to the weight as well. I agree rocksinnj, both have very good Qualities, one the motor is on Bottom, and the other is on top. I like the Motor Hinge Idea the motor weight applies pressure on the belt.. ( Maybe a Spring ) to add tention to the motor...  To be able to put pans under the Tumblers you would have to put something like a 2x4 to life it up higher and add longer bolts for the Bearings. And just router one set of holes to be able to adjust the belts. I have my Cabinet started and Im adding rollers to the bottom so I can move it around easy.. still have a long way to go though.. just thinking out loud... |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 26, 2019 9:54:18 GMT -5
You guys both did a tremendous job on those tumblers. I’m hoping to someday take on this task myself, if I ever get that many rocks. I think it would be cool to add sliding metal trays under each row in case of blow outs to make cleanup much easier, but don’t know how it could be done with the belts on the sides. It would probably be to cumbersome to the design and add to the weight as well. I agree rocksinnj, both have very good Qualities, one the motor is on Bottom, and the other is on top. I like the Motor Hinge Idea the motor weight applies pressure on the belt.. ( Maybe a Spring ) to add tention to the motor... To be able to put pans under the Tumblers you would have to put something like a 2x4 to life it up higher and add longer bolts for the Bearings. And just router one set of holes to be able to adjust the belts. I have my Cabinet started and Im adding rollers to the bottom so I can move it around easy.. still have a long way to go though.. just thinking out loud... Chuck’s original tumbler had the motor on the bottom. He moved it to the top on his new tumbler. |
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Post by dug on Mar 28, 2022 18:37:02 GMT -5
I realize the thread is a couple of years old, but I've got a couple of questions, if I may...
Why coat the rollers at all? The original Lortone rollers aren't coated (at least, not on the 3A I've got). Did you see issues with barrels slipping when you worked without some sort of coating or sleeve? What solution did you arrive at in the end?
And, what sort of RPMs are you getting for your barrels? What do you recommend for 3lb or 12lb Lortone barrels? (I'm presuming that optimal speed is different for different barrel diameters, but for example 6lb and 12lb Lortone barrels would be best suited to the same RPM).
Thanks!
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 28, 2022 19:39:02 GMT -5
I realize the thread is a couple of years old, but I've got a couple of questions, if I may... Why coat the rollers at all? The original Lortone rollers aren't coated (at least, not on the 3A I've got). Did you see issues with barrels slipping when you worked without some sort of coating or sleeve? What solution did you arrive at in the end? And, what sort of RPMs are you getting for your barrels? What do you recommend for 3lb or 12lb Lortone barrels? (I'm presuming that optimal speed is different for different barrel diameters, but for example 6lb and 12lb Lortone barrels would be best suited to the same RPM). Thanks! I'm tagging Jugglerguy, Rob, for you. He's still around, so I'm hoping he will see this.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Mar 29, 2022 8:21:30 GMT -5
I ended up taking the roller covers off the shafts for the smaller barrrels. The rubber Lortone barrels grip fine. I left the tubing on the other ones because I wanted a little more speed for the bigger barrels.
I’m not home right now to measure the rpm’s of the barrels, but they’re similar to the Lortone tumblers.
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Post by dug on Mar 29, 2022 11:56:07 GMT -5
I ended up taking the roller covers off the shafts for the smaller barrrels. The rubber Lortone barrels grip fine. I left the tubing on the other ones because I wanted a little more speed for the bigger barrels. I’m not home right now to measure the rpm’s of the barrels, but they’re similar to the Lortone tumblers. Thanks Rob! I've learned a lot from your youtube channel, and I'm just now starting to put together parts to build my own tumbler.
I was thinking similarly -- set the rpms of the shafts a bit low, and adjust with sleeves if necessary to speed them up.
I have in my notes that Lortone 3s run at 64 rpm, and Lortone 12s run at 30 rpm. But I'm not sure how accurate those numbers are, so if that doesn't sound correct, I'd appreciate a warning.
I just checked my own 3a, and it runs around 54 rpm, so those numbers are definitely in doubt. Buying a vibratory tumbler last year rekindled my interest in tumbling. And watching your channel (and AgateDad's, and a few others) has rekindled my interest in collecting. So, thanks again! |
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