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Post by MsAli on Dec 26, 2019 16:32:12 GMT -5
Cool. Have never seen one with a cover. Do you have a photo of one with the cover? Have never seen this labeled as Westmoreland. My daughter laughed when I put about 2" of bubble wrap on this before it was packed in a box. Then reminded her of what my Mom did with it. She remembered. Then carefully packed it in a box with lots of packing peanuts. My daughter wants this piece. No I don't have a picture of one with cover. They also had a separate company West Brothers who primarily produced candy dishes, which then became another company and so on and so on. Most of the time the pieces are marked. |
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Post by fernwood on Dec 27, 2019 8:21:34 GMT -5
I'm one of the recent glass convertee's of which you speak and I take your concerns to heart.... there was a lady unloading her glass collection on a local Fb bidding page and there wasn't much interest. She was amping up the salespitch using words like (from memory), "depression glass"," cobalt", the usual "rare" word (so rare I'm dumping it dirt cheap) and other words I forget. Anyways some of the stuff she was selling looked like your pictures but they were boring color wise with too much texture/patterns to wear off so I never really considered buying even though it was cheap. But I did wonder about potentially destroying something historic totally due to ignorance on my part so I guess going forward I'm more aware... but for sure I'm already learning to be more selective avoiding painted pottery that looks like glass at a casual glance and colors "coated" (my description) on glass that wear off real quick in the tumbler. I see many trying to sell items on FB, using similar words. Most of the time the prices are high. The term Depression Glass is often misused. Cobalt is often used for any blue glass, even coated. Rare is in the eye of the buyer and seller. Just because something is rare, does not mean it has a huge value. In the 1970's there were several companies that manufactured carnival glass "look a like" vases. These were actually clear glass with a colored, plastic "sleeve" of sorts. Over time the sleeve would deteriorate. These were often available for coin toss games at fairs. Sometimes offered for sale in shops. A variety of glass was manufactured with "fired on" colors. White milk glass was often fired with other colors applied. Most glass that is two tone, (red and yellow were popular), is clear with a thin, fired on color. The Iris Depression Glass I pictured has a base color of amber. The rainbow effect was fired on. Any old "dumps" are great places to find colorful, broken glass. I have one on my property that has items up to the 1940's. Another source could be the local bar. Many liquor bottles are colorful and do not have texture. Ask friends/family to save any used bottles or broken glass for you. Keep checking Marketplace and Craigs List. Stained glass artists often have glass scraps for sale or for free. Does not hurt to ask at a thrift shop. People often donate items that are chipped or cracked, just to get rid of them. The thrift shop might not want to sell damaged items, so they go in a dumpster. I have "intercepted" many items destined for the dumpster. Garage sales. Damaged items are often less than $1.00. There are many other places to find broken/used glass to tumble. Not everyone is as fortunate as jamesp who has many available sources. His resources came via lots of research and doing the leg work. He found them and established a connection. So, I guess the question is: Does someone want to spend time to find tumbling glass or do they want to take the other route? |
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Post by braat on Dec 27, 2019 12:42:33 GMT -5
I'm one of the recent glass convertee's of which you speak and I take your concerns to heart.... there was a lady unloading her glass collection on a local Fb bidding page and there wasn't much interest. She was amping up the salespitch using words like (from memory), "depression glass"," cobalt", the usual "rare" word (so rare I'm dumping it dirt cheap) and other words I forget. Anyways some of the stuff she was selling looked like your pictures but they were boring color wise with too much texture/patterns to wear off so I never really considered buying even though it was cheap. But I did wonder about potentially destroying something historic totally due to ignorance on my part so I guess going forward I'm more aware... but for sure I'm already learning to be more selective avoiding painted pottery that looks like glass at a casual glance and colors "coated" (my description) on glass that wear off real quick in the tumbler. I see many trying to sell items on FB, using similar words. Most of the time the prices are high. The term Depression Glass is often misused. Cobalt is often used for any blue glass, even coated. Rare is in the eye of the buyer and seller. Just because something is rare, does not mean it has a huge value. In the 1970's there were several companies that manufactured carnival glass "look a like" vases. These were actually clear glass with a colored, plastic "sleeve" of sorts. Over time the sleeve would deteriorate. These were often available for coin toss games at fairs. Sometimes offered for sale in shops. A variety of glass was manufactured with "fired on" colors. White milk glass was often fired with other colors applied. Most glass that is two tone, (red and yellow were popular), is clear with a thin, fired on color. The Iris Depression Glass I pictured has a base color of amber. The rainbow effect was fired on. Any old "dumps" are great places to find colorful, broken glass. I have one on my property that has items up to the 1940's. Another source could be the local bar. Many liquor bottles are colorful and do not have texture. Ask friends/family to save any used bottles or broken glass for you. Keep checking Marketplace and Craigs List. Stained glass artists often have glass scraps for sale or for free. Does not hurt to ask at a thrift shop. People often donate items that are chipped or cracked, just to get rid of them. The thrift shop might not want to sell damaged items, so they go in a dumpster. I have "intercepted" many items destined for the dumpster. Garage sales. Damaged items are often less than $1.00. There are many other places to find broken/used glass to tumble. Not everyone is as fortunate as jamesp who has many available sources. His resources came via lots of research and doing the leg work. He found them and established a connection. So, I guess the question is: Does someone want to spend time to find tumbling glass or do they want to take the other route? , thanks for your informative reply! In my new glass tumbling mode I put family and friends on notice I was accepting colored glass donations and they're all too cheap to give anything worth something  so that alone lessens the chance of historic destruction and I'm pretty sure my thrift store buys are OK as well as I'm sure collectors have scooped up the good stuff already. For decades one of my other passions has been "ditch picking" for exercise, charity (bottles and cans), treasures unknown,and now rocks and glass which further stimulates the obsession. One of my bucket list items is to write a book and it will be about ditch picking...I keep a log book of notable things that have happened and stuff I've found along the way so I have lots of material and memory reminders to write about. Now there will be a chapter on ditch rock hounding and glass finds....just this morning I found a broken real thick gray plate glass ( tinted vehicle window?) but it was frozen to the ground and no amount of kicking would loosen any of the pieces so it's on my "go get it" list when the weather warms up... |
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 28, 2019 7:04:31 GMT -5
I just got back from my brother in law's for Christmas. While there, I noticed he had a new set of glassware. They had gotten it from his aunt (my husband's aunt) when she passed away along with some Depression Era furniture. Previously packed away and forgotten, my sister in law ran across them and decided to use them. I starting looking close at the glasses because they looked really special. Turns out they all had punty marks on the bottom and no seams. Upon close examination, I determined they were very high quality, hand blown glass. They had a beautiful gold fumed pink color. Unmistakable. So, we were able to put together that this was the family's Shabbat dinner set. Practicing Jews, which his aunt and those before her were, had a regular set of dinnerware and a special set for the Shabbat meal. It MAY even be Venetian, but I think certainly European, and it MAY have come over with the first family at the the turn of the century and could very well be older than that. The glasses are quite stunning in their craftsmanship, color and proportions. All stemware.
Just adding another example of glass treasure. My sister in law said, "Man, maybe I should put them away again?" I told her to use and enjoy them- just keep them away from my brother the clutz. |
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Post by fernwood on Dec 28, 2019 9:32:36 GMT -5
Wonderful example. When my daughter was a teen, I let her use some fired on glass dishes my Grandma received for 1950's Anniversary. My daughter was hosting cooking parties with friends. The dishes were pastel colors. Moderntone pattern. Everyone was so careful with them. Eventually I acquired some additional for a 60 piece set. Unfortunately, they were stolen. rockjunquie do you have any photos or can you get some? Maybe Allison or I can ID them for you. |
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Post by fernwood on Dec 28, 2019 10:05:32 GMT -5
A couple more examples. Fine porcelain. Family history says these were brought over to the US by my G-G-Grandma. They then were moved from Pennsylvania to Wisconsin via horse/buggy. At one point the buggy was stuck in a river. My G-G-Grandpa was going to dump the crates with these dish sets in the river to lighten the load. My G-G-Grandma said absolutely not. She carried some items from the crates to the shore to lighten the load. At one time, there were two complete sets, that her Mom had. These two cups and matching saucers are all that is left. I did have them tested. The gold areas are 24 k, applied. I could sell them for about $10.00 for the two sets, but why? They are a part of the family. When I was a teen, I entered the one on right in the regional fair in the Antique cup/saucer set category. Not only won a blue ribbon, but a Best of Show ribbon for Antiques. I was competing with adults. Entered about 12 items in Antiques. Came home with 6 blue ribbons and 4 Best of Show. Also brought home $100.00, which was huge for a 14 year old in the 1970's. Best of show winners were paid $25.00 by the Northern WI State Fair. My family let me choose what items to enter and how to display them. They transported me to the fair, which was about 25 miles. Stayed with me during set up. Then brought me back the day the fair ended. The adults manning the Antiques booth loved my knowledge. I spent many hours talking with them while my Mom and Uncle were elsewhere. I did have to pay family $10.00 for gas, but well worth it.   |
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 28, 2019 11:29:28 GMT -5
I just got back from my brother in law's for Christmas. While there, I noticed he had a new set of glassware. They had gotten it from his aunt (my husband's aunt) when she passed away along with some Depression Era furniture. Previously packed away and forgotten, my sister in law ran across them and decided to use them. I starting looking close at the glasses because they looked really special. Turns out they all had punty marks on the bottom and no seams. Upon close examination, I determined they were very high quality, hand blown glass. They had a beautiful gold fumed pink color. Unmistakable. So, we were able to put together that this was the family's Shabbat dinner set. Practicing Jews, which his aunt and those before her were, had a regular set of dinnerware and a special set for the Shabbat meal. It MAY even be Venetian, but I think certainly European, and it MAY have come over with the first family at the the turn of the century and could very well be older than that. The glasses are quite stunning in their craftsmanship, color and proportions. All stemware.
Just adding another example of glass treasure. My sister in law said, "Man, maybe I should put them away again?" I told her to use and enjoy them- just keep them away from my brother the clutz. I can ask my SIL. I'm sure she wouldn't mind. They had been going in their dishwater (not anymore) and got some deposits on them, so she is cleaning them up real good. |
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Post by greig on Dec 28, 2019 11:46:00 GMT -5
I know a few old early 1900's bottle dumps, but much of the glass I dig is broken. It would be perfect for breaking and tumbling.
My wife collects old perfume bottles and some have been quite expensive. They look nice in a display. I have yet to find one in a dump.
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Post by braat on Dec 29, 2019 13:05:14 GMT -5
For decades one of my other passions has been "ditch picking" for exercise, charity (bottles and cans), treasures unknown,and now rocks and glass which further stimulates the obsession. One of my bucket list items is to write a book and it will be about ditch picking...I keep a log book of notable things that have happened and stuff I've found along the way so I have lots of material and memory reminders to write about. Now there will be a chapter on ditch rock hounding and glass finds....just this morning I found a broken real thick gray plate glass ( tinted vehicle window?) but it was frozen to the ground and no amount of kicking would loosen any of the pieces so it's on my "go get it" list when the weather warms up... The "real thick gray plate glass" turned out to be ICE ! And here i thought I was getting smarter about IDing stuff...some days I don't know about me.... |
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Post by jamesp on Dec 29, 2019 15:13:49 GMT -5
I saved this older Kosta Boda. $7 at thrift. Signed by the senior glass blower. He did some highly skilled chemistry in the center of this tray. I asked the thrift store clerk if she knew what this was. She did, she says she sees fine pieces like this constantly.   Similar piece at auction  |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 29, 2019 16:09:12 GMT -5
For decades one of my other passions has been "ditch picking" for exercise, charity (bottles and cans), treasures unknown,and now rocks and glass which further stimulates the obsession. One of my bucket list items is to write a book and it will be about ditch picking...I keep a log book of notable things that have happened and stuff I've found along the way so I have lots of material and memory reminders to write about. Now there will be a chapter on ditch rock hounding and glass finds....just this morning I found a broken real thick gray plate glass ( tinted vehicle window?) but it was frozen to the ground and no amount of kicking would loosen any of the pieces so it's on my "go get it" list when the weather warms up... The "real thick gray plate glass" turned out to be ICE ! And here i thought I was getting smarter about IDing stuff...some days I don't know about me.... Sounds like something I would do!  |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 29, 2019 16:10:49 GMT -5
I saved this older Kosta Boda. $7 at thrift. Signed by the senior glass blower. He did some highly skilled chemistry in the center of this tray. I asked the thrift store clerk if she knew what this was. She did, she says she sees fine pieces like this constantly. Similar piece at auction Glad you saved this one. It's so "modern art". |
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Post by jamesp on Dec 31, 2019 6:08:32 GMT -5
Kosta Boda's glass artists rival the most talented in the world. Brewing colors and textures from raw materials is a dying art handed down generation to generation. Noted for their abstract pieces, they can do wonders. These plates are examples of their generations of coloring and texturing experience. Kosta makes a broad range of glass that helps support their art glass department. Unfortunately the demand for art glass pieces has been steadily declining. The highly skilled glass artisans are disappearing internationally. Since 1742 www.crystalclassics.com/kosta/art/artglasscoll.htm |
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Post by fernwood on Dec 31, 2019 6:20:30 GMT -5
Did not want to like above post, as it is sad. But, times change.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 31, 2019 7:25:26 GMT -5
Did not want to like above post, as it is sad. But, times change. Yes it is sad, glass blowing is in a serious decline. Kjell Engman and Bertil Vallien of Kosta Boda both born about 1940 are amazing humans to be able to work glass late in their age. The world is loosing these masters. It takes 2-3 decades to understand glass on such a high level. Most glass blower's bodies are burned out(no pun)at an early age due to the conditions and demands. I can't even melt half the glass I tinker with. I do fine with glass designed for idiots using kilns. I attempt to test melt a sample of almost every piece of glass I get my hands on. Either it won't slump, cracks on cooling, glazes over, etc etc. There is a China made brand called Viz Glass distributed here in Atlanta for years. The distributer is long out of business, but I find their 5 to 10 pound large pieces in thrift shops. Or target them on EBAY. The glass they used is some of the friendliest I ever melted. Miracle glass. The colors amazing. Hand blown. But they have little art value and are not considered high art pieces since they are mass produced. Shoot me dead but I do use their vases as source glass. In particular their Kaleidoscope series. Viz Glass is making wall art and shades for lighting. The blowers in Atlanta have moved to these items too since there is a market for such. www.vizartglass.com/wall-decor |
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Post by fernwood on Dec 31, 2019 7:41:47 GMT -5
I will not shoot you, jamesp lol. The wall art and shades are popular where I live. There are many glass artists here. Some use glass for jewelry. Some for the lamp shades and wall art. Others used stained glass techniques to make beautiful table tops. They incorporate wood or metal into the tables. Often use LED lighting. Some do windows/doors with stained glass techniques. I am in awe at the pricing for these pieces. A simple glass cab hung on a silver plate necklace was for sale at $25.00 at a recent show I was at. She had hundreds of these. They were no where near the quality of your cabs. Other above pieces range in price from about $200.00 to over $1000.00. They are selling! Unbelievable. |
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Post by jamesp on Dec 31, 2019 9:37:56 GMT -5
I will not shoot you, jamesp lol. The wall art and shades are popular where I live. There are many glass artists here. Some use glass for jewelry. Some for the lamp shades and wall art. Others used stained glass techniques to make beautiful table tops. They incorporate wood or metal into the tables. Often use LED lighting. Some do windows/doors with stained glass techniques. I am in awe at the pricing for these pieces. A simple glass cab hung on a silver plate necklace was for sale at $25.00 at a recent show I was at. She had hundreds of these. They were no where near the quality of your cabs. Other above pieces range in price from about $200.00 to over $1000.00. They are selling! Unbelievable. I want to enter one of the big Atlanta shows and give my stuff the real test. I learned a lot of tricks and acquired a lot of knowledge but that does not necessarily mean it will sell ! There would be lots of younger energy that probably likes glass jewelry. Let's put it this way, if it does not sell at one of the big Atlanta art festivals it ain't going to sell. I would attack the $20 to $30 range with minimal effort on each piece like a cool cord strung thru a jump ring and hole drilled in a tumbled glass. I am friends with an owner of a popular art store in the happening Inman Park area of Atlanta. I need to hang some in his store. |
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 31, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -5
I will not shoot you, jamesp lol. The wall art and shades are popular where I live. There are many glass artists here. Some use glass for jewelry. Some for the lamp shades and wall art. Others used stained glass techniques to make beautiful table tops. They incorporate wood or metal into the tables. Often use LED lighting. Some do windows/doors with stained glass techniques. I am in awe at the pricing for these pieces. A simple glass cab hung on a silver plate necklace was for sale at $25.00 at a recent show I was at. She had hundreds of these. They were no where near the quality of your cabs. Other above pieces range in price from about $200.00 to over $1000.00. They are selling! Unbelievable. I want to enter one of the big Atlanta shows and give my stuff the real test. I learned a lot of tricks and acquired a lot of knowledge but that does not necessarily mean it will sell ! There would be lots of younger energy that probably likes glass jewelry. Let's put it this way, if it does not sell at one of the big Atlanta art festivals it ain't going to sell. I would attack the $20 to $30 range with minimal effort on each piece like a cool cord strung thru a jump ring and hole drilled in a tumbled glass. I am friends with an owner of a popular art store in the happening Inman Park area of Atlanta. I need to hang some in his store. It does seem that an Art Festival is the place to sell them. Should be the right clientele. I have been selling the ones you sent me(after the wife took her tribute pendant!). I put $12 on them or 2 for $20. In 4 Shows this Fall I think I sold about half. A bit surprised at that as I thought they would sell better. Lots of folks commented on them, but no buys. As best I can remember the sells were all to younger folks, High School and College kids and 20-somethings. The Soccer Mom and Soccer Grand-Mom crowd, which makes up 70-80% of the crowd at Craft Shows, was not buying. More conservative fashion tastes I suppose. The tattoo/piercing(mostly younger) crowd should go for them. You will not know till you test the waters. You might also consider a discount for purchasing multiple pieces. |
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Post by jamesp on Dec 31, 2019 17:05:49 GMT -5
I want to enter one of the big Atlanta shows and give my stuff the real test. I learned a lot of tricks and acquired a lot of knowledge but that does not necessarily mean it will sell ! There would be lots of younger energy that probably likes glass jewelry. Let's put it this way, if it does not sell at one of the big Atlanta art festivals it ain't going to sell. I would attack the $20 to $30 range with minimal effort on each piece like a cool cord strung thru a jump ring and hole drilled in a tumbled glass. I am friends with an owner of a popular art store in the happening Inman Park area of Atlanta. I need to hang some in his store. It does seem that an Art Festival is the place to sell them. Should be the right clientele. I have been selling the ones you sent me(after the wife took her tribute pendant!). I put $12 on them or 2 for $20. In 4 Shows this Fall I think I sold about half. A bit surprised at that as I thought they would sell better. Lots of folks commented on them, but no buys. As best I can remember the sells were all to younger folks, High School and College kids and 20-somethings. The Soccer Mom and Soccer Grand-Mom crowd, which makes up 70-80% of the crowd at Craft Shows, was not buying. More conservative fashion tastes I suppose. The tattoo/piercing(mostly younger) crowd should go for them. You will not know till you test the waters. You might also consider a discount for purchasing multiple pieces. A massive population of party folks in intown/midtown area Henry. A wide range of walks, genders and sexualities. Not many families. Piedmont Park, Inman Park, Chandler Park art festivals pretty much shut parts of the city down. Lots of energy and endless crowds. Should be a great customer base for the glass stuff. |
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Post by parfive on Jan 22, 2020 3:34:56 GMT -5
Enzo’s prancing horse
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so that alone lessens the chance of historic destruction and I'm pretty sure my thrift store buys are OK as well as I'm sure collectors have scooped up the good stuff already. 
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