NevadaBill
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Post by NevadaBill on May 27, 2020 11:58:46 GMT -5
OK, so first off, I don't expect anyone to know the answer to this. But I'm throwing this out there anyway, just because I know that there is a chance.
I was in some random GPS location near Barstow ( 35.03, -116.551 aprox. ), looking for Jasper.
The Jasper here was pretty lousy, really, but I did find some good chunks.
But I came across this guy:
The rock is about 8-10 inches long, and there is a number tag glued to it. It is quite intentional.
But the location is quite random. There really is nothing around the rock at all of significance.
It is not like one of those USGS markers that we see all of the time either:
I searched around, but I can't find anything.
Maybe someone has seen something like this before?
The type of rock is not significant to me.
I am more interested in the purpose of the rock.
Thanks!
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Post by aDave on May 27, 2020 12:28:48 GMT -5
I'm going to take a couple wild guesses... Maybe it has something to do with surveying for Fort Irwin? I find this unlikely since I'd expect some sort of government markings, but who knows? Or, perhaps it has something to do with the organization on ths site tortoise.org/conservation/ftirwin15.html. Look at the map on their page, and the area you were in seems to be somewhat critical for desert tortoises (crosshatched area). Maybe those are put out by them as part of their work.
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Post by jasonshort on May 27, 2020 12:38:36 GMT -5
It may be a land surveyors tag. Email Tom Herrin the County Surveyor of San Bernardino County therrin@dpw.sbcounty.gov the same question and photo you posted
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Post by parfive on May 27, 2020 14:14:52 GMT -5
Guy buried his dog out there and that was his tag?
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Post by amygdule on May 27, 2020 21:47:51 GMT -5
It's probably from some Scientist studying the area
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Post by pizzano on May 27, 2020 23:03:07 GMT -5
Speaking from land surveying experience........The object (rock) of which the metallic plate is epoxied to, does not appear large enough or safely secured in any manner to be considered a surveyors "monument" or even a point of reference. That, and the plate "glued" onto aspect is not a method we use either. What we put in or on the ground "literally" are installed to remain in place and position for ages. With the exception of vandalism or acts of God, our monuments are meant to outlive the Surveyor.........!
I haven't personally ran across a tag like that, it appears to be fresh (5 years or less).......I'm inclined to believe Dave's theory or something of that nature. Curious why installed on such a small stone which can (with effort) be moved, maybe that's it's intent.....?
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Post by pizzano on May 27, 2020 23:08:51 GMT -5
It may be a land surveyors tag. Email Tom Herrin the County Surveyor of San Bernardino County therrin@dpw.sbcounty.gov the same question and photo you posted In this case, Tom would defer this to an underling and you may or may not get a speedy response.........I know Tom personally......we go way back and worked together in the late 90's......!
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Post by fernwood on May 28, 2020 5:14:06 GMT -5
Interesting find. Agree on the land surveyor. The surveyor I most recently used did something similar. He used stakes with metal numbers attached to the top.
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Post by NevadaBill on May 28, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -5
I'm going to take a couple wild guesses... Maybe it has something to do with surveying for Fort Irwin? I find this unlikely since I'd expect some sort of government markings, but who knows? Or, perhaps it has something to do with the organization on ths site tortoise.org/conservation/ftirwin15.html. Look at the map on their page, and the area you were in seems to be somewhat critical for desert tortoises (crosshatched area). Maybe those are put out by them as part of their work. Will you look at that! It could be a turtle habitat thing. You have taken a strong lead as contender for best answer on this for sure, Dave! Great guess.
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Post by NevadaBill on May 28, 2020 12:10:26 GMT -5
It may be a land surveyors tag. Email Tom Herrin the County Surveyor of San Bernardino County therrin@dpw.sbcounty.gov the same question and photo you posted Thanks Jason. That's not such a bad guess. I wonder if the unit is more than a tag. Perhaps a GPS marker with a battery that can signal some satelite?!?
Maybe it allows ROcks the ability to communicate with each other!! Think about it!
I am afraid to email Tom right now, fearing that he will think I am an idiot. I appreciate the suggestion though!
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Post by NevadaBill on May 28, 2020 12:14:19 GMT -5
Guy buried his dog out there and that was his tag? OOhhh! I like this one! Abstract thought at its best here. You could be on to something.
Thing is, it might be 1/2 mile from a dirt road or so.
Maybe the man was just walking his dog in the middle of the MOhave Desert one sunny August afternoon, and the dog expired right in that exact spot.
I think Dave still has the best guess so far. Turtles are important people too!
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Post by NevadaBill on May 28, 2020 12:20:16 GMT -5
Speaking from land surveying experience........The object (rock) of which the metallic plate is epoxied to, does not appear large enough or safely secured in any manner to be considered a surveyors "monument" or even a point of reference. That, and the plate "glued" onto aspect is not a method we use either. What we put in or on the ground "literally" are installed to remain in place and position for ages. With the exception of vandalism or acts of God, our monuments are meant to outlive the Surveyor.........!
I haven't personally ran across a tag like that, it appears to be fresh (5 years or less).......I'm inclined to believe Dave's theory or something of that nature. Curious why installed on such a small stone which can (with effort) be moved, maybe that's it's intent.....? Interesting hearing an opinion from an industry insider. It brings new perspective!
And yes, we must consider that official Federal Government agencies would absolutely embed that plate in a much larger, more permanent (immobile) location. Even if it was glued to the end of a 3 foot rod or pole burried in the desert floor.
I was able to pick this rock up.
Want to hear something else strange? That rock doesn't even fit in with the geology of that zone. It don't look like any of the other rocks in the neighborhood.
So, possibly it was imported from another zone. Perhaps glued on, offsite some place, and then brought to this location.
Another thing .. why is it facing due South???
Mysteries. Many mysteries.
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Post by pizzano on May 28, 2020 12:34:45 GMT -5
There are several types of Survey "markers". Some are temporary points of reference that are commonly used in construction and preliminary land division. Anything that is set with a wooden hub or stake & "tag" is generally considered temporary and more often than not replaced at sometime with a steel rod, pipe, concrete post ect...........driven into the ground at depths greater than 18", a permanent fixture, a "monument"........In cases where an object like a large tree, building corner, concrete head wall or curb, very large rock/boulder, any very large immovable object that is not intended to be relocated, where a monument must be set, holes are drilled and filled with either some kind of quick set concrete, lead plug, or a piece of re-bar where a tag or cap, with the Surveyors license number embedded into it, can be inserted either screwed into or impact placed.........These are considered "monuments"........anything less is considered temporary, even if a tag is attached.
In the State of California, if a "monument" is set, the Surveyor of record must also file a document of record with the local public agency.........be it a map, certificate, letter of compliance, which is wet signed and stamped with the Surveyors license number and date of expiration shown. Temporary points of reference do not need "official" documentation, however, field notes and or shop drawings are usually provided to client and or agency, in cases of construction, to be used as reference.
In a nut shell......monuments are permanent and are protected by law. Points of reference are temporary and are not legally protected in the same manner.
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Post by whyofquartz on May 28, 2020 12:37:54 GMT -5
Speaking from land surveying experience........The object (rock) of which the metallic plate is epoxied to, does not appear large enough or safely secured in any manner to be considered a surveyors "monument" or even a point of reference. That, and the plate "glued" onto aspect is not a method we use either. What we put in or on the ground "literally" are installed to remain in place and position for ages. With the exception of vandalism or acts of God, our monuments are meant to outlive the Surveyor.........!
I haven't personally ran across a tag like that, it appears to be fresh (5 years or less).......I'm inclined to believe Dave's theory or something of that nature. Curious why installed on such a small stone which can (with effort) be moved, maybe that's it's intent.....? Interesting hearing an opinion from an industry insider. It brings new perspective!
And yes, we must consider that official Federal Government agencies would absolutely embed that plate in a much larger, more permanent (immobile) location. Even if it was glued to the end of a 3 foot rod or pole burried in the desert floor.
I was able to pick this rock up.
Want to hear something else strange? That rock doesn't even fit in with the geology of that zone. It don't look like any of the other rocks in the neighborhood.
So, possibly it was imported from another zone. Perhaps glued on, offsite some place, and then brought to this location.
Another thing .. why is it facing due South???
Mysteries. Many mysteries.
fortunately here at RTH we daylurkers have a handy tool for solving mysteries, we just call upon RocksInNJ to answer for the actions of all non-Earthicans
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Post by NevadaBill on May 28, 2020 12:53:38 GMT -5
Ok, right now I think that Dave's Turtle conspiracy theory is still firmly in the lead.
Let's take a minute to look at the Google Map which shows where the main Turtle compound it located (Fort Irwin), and where the suspicious rock was discovered!!
... by the way, I am not going to try to think about how the Turtles got mixed up with the Fort Irwin's. Some kind of experiment! Poor Turtles! I wonder if they are "willing" participants!!
OK, so clearly on the map we can see that the distance between the Fort Irwin's, and the Turtle Rock is 17.5 miles!
That is TOO FAR for a Turtle to walk really. I've heard stories of the Desert Southwest Tortoise ranging up to 3000 feet. But not 17 miles!
This means that humans would probably have had to been involved (or dare I say .. Aliens)??
OK, real it in a bit here. Back to the map. Let us line up the Google Map with the Fort Irwin's own plots:
We can see here, that the Turtle Rock marker, actually does overlap, and it is possible to consider that one of the blue or yellow dots on this map (precicely), matches where the marker was found!
Wow! This reinforces aDave's Fort Irwin Turtle Conspiracy Theory!
We should keep our eyes (and minds!) open to all other evidence which might appear though!!
But for now, this is our best guess.
Food for thought: Are the Turtles actually ALIENs ?!?
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Post by NevadaBill on May 28, 2020 12:57:49 GMT -5
There are several types of Survey "markers". Some are temporary points of reference that are commonly used in construction and preliminary land division. Anything that is set with a wooden hub or stake & "tag" is generally considered temporary and more often than not replaced at sometime with a steel rod, pipe, concrete post ect...........driven into the ground at depths greater than 18", a permanent fixture, a "monument"........In cases where an object like a large tree, building corner, concrete head wall or curb, very large rock/boulder, any very large immovable object that is not intended to be relocated, where a monument must be set, holes are drilled and filled with either some kind of quick set concrete, lead plug, or a piece of re-bar where a tag or cap, with the Surveyors license number embedded into it, can be inserted either screwed into or impact placed.........These are considered "monuments"........anything less is considered temporary, even if a tag is attached.
In the State of California, if a "monument" is set, the Surveyor of record must also file a document of record with the local public agency.........be it a map, certificate, letter of compliance, which is wet signed and stamped with the Surveyors license number and date of expiration shown. Temporary points of reference do not need "official" documentation, however, field notes and or shop drawings are usually provided to client and or agency, in cases of construction, to be used as reference.
In a nut shell......monuments are permanent and are protected by law. Points of reference are temporary and are not legally protected in the same manner.
I wish I could strongly DOUBLE thumbs UP this post!!
It supports the Fort Irwin Alien Turtle Marker Conspiracy Theory even more!
Solid research Pizzano!
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Post by pizzano on May 28, 2020 13:21:51 GMT -5
To support the habitat theory........here's a link to a project habitat outline established in Riverside County (2011) as part of the Environmental Impact Report........One of the companies I consult for provided the GPS, aerial topography data. I only played a minor role on this project. San Bernardino County requirements are very much the same due to Federal and State regulations.
It will be a boring read to the layman, but Section 4.5 and there after provides monumentation, monitoring and surveillance requirements......the report is project specific, but the methods and regulations are typical of any habitat sensitive location in California.
The BLM will have the most information (if the tag was found on BLM land) related to surveillance and physical boundary monuments.........just narrowing down the specific department to contact will be the PITA.......happy trails to ya Bill....!
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Post by RocksInNJ on May 28, 2020 18:57:18 GMT -5
Interesting hearing an opinion from an industry insider. It brings new perspective!
And yes, we must consider that official Federal Government agencies would absolutely embed that plate in a much larger, more permanent (immobile) location. Even if it was glued to the end of a 3 foot rod or pole burried in the desert floor.
I was able to pick this rock up.
Want to hear something else strange? That rock doesn't even fit in with the geology of that zone. It don't look like any of the other rocks in the neighborhood.
So, possibly it was imported from another zone. Perhaps glued on, offsite some place, and then brought to this location.
Another thing .. why is it facing due South???
Mysteries. Many mysteries.
fortunately here at RTH we daylurkers have a handy tool for solving mysteries, we just call upon RocksInNJ to answer for the actions of all non-Earthicans That’s a marker I left behind when I crash landed. When decoded it reveals the huge hidden stash of chocolate caramel turtles that I had to leave behind. Please don’t try to steal my snacks. We aliens are tiny and thin enough as is.
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Post by NevadaBill on May 29, 2020 9:33:47 GMT -5
Well, I have appreciated all of the feedback. It has been fun speculating. And honestly I did not expect one of us to have actually come up with the Rock ID, but collectively we all have. It is well known now that the military has been on cohorts with the Aliens for many years now. Experimenting, Testing new technologies, etc. A few years back I was exploring the desert areas about 20 miles North of the Area 51 Nevada Test site. I was traveling on a dirt road heading Westbound when suddenly on the horizon a large ominous figure came in to view. Not knowing exactly what I was seeing, I got out of the Jeep and advanced a short distance closer on foot. While hiding in some small shrubs behind a fence line, I managed to snap this picture, along with a couple others. I wondered if what I was witnessing was some kind of mirage or something?!? But I decided to get myself out of there before I was spotted. At the time I could not really make much sense of what I had seen. But as I think back to that day, it is all starting to make clear sense to me now! You put the aliens in the mix and suddenly you've got all the answers! Mystery solved! The conclusions speak for themselves! Happy Friday!
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Post by mohs on May 29, 2020 11:17:48 GMT -5
I knew it! Its turtles all the way doWn ! m stly
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