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Post by dreamrocks on Oct 15, 2020 18:31:20 GMT -5
In the first picture with the sign are those caves in the background just above ground level it looks like a row of them
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Post by zarguy on Oct 15, 2020 19:10:16 GMT -5
In the first picture with the sign are those caves in the background just above ground level it looks like a row of them I think someone in our group said that that gray cliff has pet wood eroding out of it, but we didn't go there. Do you know anything about pet wood at that location? Lynn |
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Post by dreamrocks on Oct 15, 2020 19:21:46 GMT -5
No sorry I wish I could help you out but I know nothing about that area. So if that’s pet wood then I would think that may involve some digging and being pet wood that would mean the forest floor is there or close to it
If so maybe some Dino bones, fossils agatized goodies to Dino poop
That would be my thoughts right or wrong I still would look dig and check around the pet wood for all the above
@rwa3600 could give you a better answer when he does I’ll find out if I am way off or not
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 15, 2020 19:42:56 GMT -5
I was at Shootering Canyon on Oct 1st. There was tons of coprolite. A whole valley full! I didn't find very good quality, but a few will get sliced soon to see what's inside. Most of it has cleaved into plates. I found very few whole rocks.
I'm amazed that that much coprolite could have ended up in one place. Sometimes I wonder if some is not Dino poop, but some kind of agatized mud/algae or something. I don't understand how individual poops fossilzed. It would seem that it would homogenize & not be separate pieces. And why is it concentrated in a valley? Wouldn't it be found all over the general area?
Lynn
Well...if it's all concentrated in a valley...ummm...you know the old saying about "coprolite" rolls downhill! I guess the saying comes from a long long long really long time ago!  |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 15, 2020 20:59:00 GMT -5
zarguy Lynn, I'm glad you had a good trip. Did you meet Cathy? I've often wondered why coprolite in this region is so concentrated and speculate it might have something to do with feeding grounds or breeding, nesting grounds. I really haven't been able to come up with an idea that I'm comfortable with yet. I have a hunch it might have more to do with erosion patterns that somehow washed away finer material and left the larger turds long after fossilization? Don't really know. As far as whole intact turds versus broken up fragments I have observed that in the more virgin areas I prowl around in there is abundant whole specimens more than broken up material. I hypothesize that the busted up, trampled turds were so pulverized that there simply was not enough of an entity to fossilize into a recognizable turd. This begs the question, if there was so much foot traffic, then how did any intact specimens survive? I hypothesize that can be answered by sudden burial events. I suspect that floods, tides, monsoons, etc. are what caused vast deposits to be suddenly covered and preserved intact. So far that's the best I can come up with. One thing is for sure. There are layers where coprolites are amazingly concentrated. I don't know if they started out that way or if erosion patterns caused it later in time. Can you imagine what kind of herd dynamics could have been in place amongst those critters? Add to the question that those layers of just 20 to 50 feet deep may represent a mere ten million years within the Morrison Formation. For all I know the population of these hadrosaurs could have been sparse and the turd trampling idea was a non issue, but constant burial events served to preserve whatever happened to be on the landscape at the time and after a few million years you have a strata full of poo and wood.
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 15, 2020 21:05:07 GMT -5
In the first picture with the sign are those caves in the background just above ground level it looks like a row of them More like eroded pockets in a soft layer with a harder layer just above. They are mostly shadows on shallow holes. |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 15, 2020 21:09:52 GMT -5
In the first picture with the sign are those caves in the background just above ground level it looks like a row of them I think someone in our group said that that gray cliff has pet wood eroding out of it, but we didn't go there. Do you know anything about pet wood at that location? Lynn Pet wood is scattered all over the general region. It tends to come and go in sparse versus abundant places with quality varying likewise. Much of it is really bland gray and brown. Sometimes you find some with some popping bright colors. Almost all of it takes a nice polish. |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 15, 2020 21:13:17 GMT -5
No sorry I wish I could help you out but I know nothing about that area. So if that’s pet wood then I would think that may involve some digging and being pet wood that would mean the forest floor is there or close to it If so maybe some Dino bones, fossils agatized goodies to Dino poop That would be my thoughts right or wrong I still would look dig and check around the pet wood for all the above @rwa3600 could give you a better answer when he does I’ll find out if I am way off or not The whole region is known for bone, wood and coprolite. I rarely dig but just rove around checking hill sides where erosion has exposed the goodies, in fact I'll be going there tomorrow for a few days. The area is vast and I hope to get lost. |
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Post by dreamrocks on Oct 15, 2020 21:24:32 GMT -5
No sorry I wish I could help you out but I know nothing about that area. So if that’s pet wood then I would think that may involve some digging and being pet wood that would mean the forest floor is there or close to it If so maybe some Dino bones, fossils agatized goodies to Dino poop That would be my thoughts right or wrong I still would look dig and check around the pet wood for all the above @rwa3600 could give you a better answer when he does I’ll find out if I am way off or not The whole region is known for bone, wood and coprolite. I rarely dig but just rove around checking hill sides where erosion has exposed the goodies, in fact I'll be going there tomorrow for a few days. The area is vast and I hope to get lost. A few days sounds like a fun trip Oh so you pick the hill sides so let me know if you poke around that shadow area and find any goodies I would like to know just out of curiosity if there maybe something waiting on that hillside where the pet wood hides |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 17, 2020 20:51:29 GMT -5
Hadn't been on coprolite safari for a while so I took a whirlwind trip. On a hunch I went to a remote location not known for coprolite. I might have found a few ...  |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 17, 2020 20:54:19 GMT -5
 Found some big ones.  |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 17, 2020 20:56:39 GMT -5
A river of coprolite. Almost everything above and below the bucket is coprolite.  |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 17, 2020 21:00:24 GMT -5
The deposit was a long way from the truck. Had to work to get some hauled back. This motivated me to be very selective about what I put in the buckets. When I finished you couldn't tell I had even taken any.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Oct 17, 2020 21:50:20 GMT -5
Kind of like being up sh*t's creek without a paddle ...  |
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 17, 2020 22:25:12 GMT -5
A river of coprolite. Everything above and below the bucket is coprolite. That's an amazing find!!!  |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 17, 2020 22:44:38 GMT -5
A river of coprolite. Everything above and below the bucket is coprolite. Awesome!! Never in my life would I expect to come across something like that! But I have to ask, is it all good stuff, or is it crap?  Randy, looking forward to seeing the selections you agonized over and brought home. Decisions, decisions... |
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Post by 1dave on Oct 18, 2020 6:33:27 GMT -5
A river of coprolite. Everything above and below the bucket is coprolite. Awesome!! Never in my life would I expect to come across something like that! But I have to ask, is it all good stuff, or is it crap? Randy, looking forward to seeing the selections you agonized over and brought home. Decisions, decisions... Truer spokes were never worded! |
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Post by dreamrocks on Oct 18, 2020 7:12:01 GMT -5
A river of coprolite. Everything above and below the bucket is coprolite. That’s truly amazing RWA3006 I would say you found the Dino bathroom. Pretty clever intelligent Dino’s to use a bathroom. Where’s the Dino steakhouse? Feeding grounds unless these are all plant eaters if so maybe some were smarter then others too. If these were meat eaters there must be Dino bones and skeletons somewhere in the area near by. I would think anyways. |
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Post by RWA3006 on Oct 18, 2020 8:21:30 GMT -5
And if that wasn't enough here's another river a few yards from the first one!  |
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Post by mohs on Oct 18, 2020 9:35:04 GMT -5
its really true
the corpro rolls
downhill
'n deep dino dump dr.
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