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Post by stephan on Dec 31, 2020 23:27:39 GMT -5
Oh, so he has calibrated eyes. Impressive.
Yeah, I saw the first pics, but it still takes willingness to commit a necessity, otherwise I can spend all sorts of time trying, unsuccessfully, to devise “another way.”
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jan 1, 2021 9:19:00 GMT -5
Oh, so he has calibrated eyes. Impressive. Yeah, I saw the first pics, but it still takes willingness to commit a necessity, otherwise I can spend all sorts of time trying, unsuccessfully, to devise “another way.” True, but when you're trying to sell them, it makes perfect sense. Even though it's against all of your instincts to try to make the largest cab you can from the material you have, it's important to be critical of how the stone actually presents and to make it as aesthetically and artistically pleasing as possible. Sometimes that means taking some more material off because the shape looks a little "off" or maybe there's a flaw in the stone that really detracts the eye and it needs to be removed to make a nice cab into a stunning cab.
We always try to make the largest stone out of a piece of opal rough as we can. After all, opal rough is not inexpensive and you want to make as much of your investment back as possible as well as (hopefully) a profit someday. Opal is rarely a stone that is straightforward to cut, though. Lots of time is spent studying it before even starting to cut an opal to figure out the how to cut it to get the best performance out of the color it has and the most weight retention.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 1, 2021 9:46:55 GMT -5
Oooooo... Glad I caught the update.
Vince, your patience and skill have paid off handsomely. That is gorgeous and seems to only need some minor tweaking (as you say, I certainly can't see it for myself in the pictures).
Do you mind saying how much a stone like that would fetch? From what little I know, I know it is a high ticket stone. Beautiful.
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Jan 1, 2021 10:46:53 GMT -5
stephan - Thank you. I must confess that what appears to be patience was born wholly from being too stubborn to quit when I realized my early efforts resembled poorly shaped lozenges more than anything else. The look on my goldsmith friend's face when I showed him some of the first ones said it all. I had lots of work to do... .
Your earlier post in this thread reminded me of the "Then and Now" thread you created to help new cutters, so I posted an old one I found photos of there.
Now, to address the annoyance my darling wife expressed about "calibrated" shapes, this one was - before the recut. I didn't know it (didn't use a template) at the time, but even after the recut the curves on the sides and ends still fit those on the template. It's just smaller now, so it would need a custom casting. It took a long time to get those curves and proportions burned into my brain, and it only happened because I was embarrassed after my friend's reaction to the first few.
rockjunquie - This opal isn't as bright as it could be. The opal isn't pure consistent black, though it faces up well. The percentage of the face showing color when held at a normal viewing angle and distance could be better. The color/colorplay are typical (as compared to opaque bars) of crystal opal, though, so that's "okay". Preliminary evaluation says this is a "four-figure" stone. If the attributes noted were top of their ranges it would probably hit the five-figure mark. I'm still happy... .
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 1, 2021 10:51:50 GMT -5
stephan - Thank you. I must confess that what appears to be patience was born wholly from being too stubborn to quit when I realized my early efforts resembled poorly shaped lozenges more than anything else. The look on my goldsmith friend's face when I showed him some of the first ones said it all. I had lots of work to do... .
Your earlier post in this thread reminded me of the "Then and Now" thread you created to help new cutters, so I posted an old one I found photos of there.
Now, to address the annoyance my darling wife expressed about "calibrated" shapes, this one was - before the recut. I didn't know it (didn't use a template) at the time, but even after the recut the curves on the sides and ends still fit those on the template. It's just smaller now, so it would need a custom casting. It took a long time to get those curves and proportions burned into my brain, and it only happened because I was embarrassed after my friend's reaction to the first few.
rockjunquie - This opal isn't as bright as it could be. The opal isn't pure consistent black, though it faces up well. The percentage of the face showing color when held at a normal viewing angle and distance could be better. The color/colorplay are typical (as compared to opaque bars) of crystal opal, though, so that's "okay". Preliminary evaluation says this is a "four-figure" stone. If the attributes noted were top of their ranges it would probably hit the five-figure mark. I'm still happy... . As an opal lover, I have seen some really top stones and, by gum, this one is no slouch!
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Jan 1, 2021 11:22:52 GMT -5
Thanks, Tela.
opalpyrexia - Yeah, dig out that black and have some fun! Then I won't be the only one with indigestion.
Since I'm cowardly, I usually try to find a corner or end I could round down to see how the color comes up from underneath. That way I can still reshape the stone a little without losing too much if it doesn't work out.
You should do a "before" photo of it and go for it...!
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Post by opalpyrexia on Jan 1, 2021 11:40:19 GMT -5
Thanks, Tela.
opalpyrexia - Yeah, dig out that black and have some fun! Then I won't be the only one with indigestion.
Since I'm cowardly, I usually try to find a corner or end I could round down to see how the color comes up from underneath. That way I can still reshape the stone a little without losing too much if it doesn't work out.
You should do a "before" photo of it and go for it...!
I'll put it on my To Do list.
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Jan 1, 2021 12:01:57 GMT -5
Heh-heh-heh - I've been an "instigator" all my life. I really do hope that recut is something that ends up being lots of fun for you.
Happy New Year!!!
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Post by firehunter on Jan 1, 2021 12:12:16 GMT -5
Beautiful work!
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Post by stephan on Jan 1, 2021 18:02:13 GMT -5
A four figure stone! With the material I cut, the only way I’ll see that is if I count numbers on both sides of the decimal point. 😂
All kidding aside, great work can’t wait to see the final, final product.
And, ha ha, I do know a thing or two about being too stubborn to quit. Sometimes that’s a good thing; other times, not so much.
Thanks for contributing to the then and now thread.
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Post by NevadaBill on Jan 2, 2021 19:29:02 GMT -5
There is a lot of fire in that stone. Without reading all of it, this reminds me of some of that "Boulder Opal" that they would find in that television series "outback opal hunters". Well, it does.
The finished product is phenomenal!
Had one not known what to look for in rough, to me, the stone looks unfit to even be picked up to be thrown in to a pond, kicked across the ground, let alone be fashioned in to a piece fit for fine jewelry.
Fantastic effort here Vince.
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Jan 2, 2021 20:45:39 GMT -5
Thanks, Bill.
This one is actually from Lightning Ridge. It sat in a jar for 11-12 years just because of what you said about the way it looked on the outside.
Robin and I decided to cut some opal, so we dumped the jar in a black plastic tray and sorted through it. This one had one little "window" chipped off the end that showed a bit of color on the end the stone came from. Other than that, it just had some generalized light blue "glow" here and there.
You're right about the difficulties of cutting it. Learning to read the rough - and then just take your best guess - is the toughest part.
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Post by Brian on Jan 4, 2021 9:40:23 GMT -5
That is amazing work! It’s hard to believe the first picture and the last are the same stone. I’m in awe of the skill and patience involved!
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Post by miket on Jan 4, 2021 10:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Feb 20, 2021 22:07:36 GMT -5
Okay - Finally worked up the courage to see if the inclusions in the face of this opal would come out or not. Got lucky, and they did.
A bit of minor cleanup now on the shape and profile and this one will be done. Still a decent opal, and will finish out around 13 x 8 mm.
Will post the final photos later.
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Post by agatewhisperer on Feb 21, 2021 0:00:33 GMT -5
Oh dang that looks so good. Your skill and patience are shining through!
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Post by Brian on Feb 21, 2021 8:04:22 GMT -5
Both the final product and your patience in getting there are incredible! That last bit of work made a a world of difference.
Edit: I just realized the poor phrasing in my praising. That last "bit" of work was probably some of the most nerve-wracking part of the work and probably didn't feel like a "bit" at all.
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Feb 21, 2021 10:40:19 GMT -5
Thanks. Even though they were small, inclusions visible in the face of an opal had to go.
There is still an surface inclusion on the lower part of one side, but it would be covered when set.
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Mar 18, 2021 21:43:33 GMT -5
Finished it a couple of weeks ago, but got distracted by the big black one. Here's the final shape and polish in-hand to show true colors are there.
It's now up for "adoption". ;-)
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Post by agatewhisperer on Mar 18, 2021 22:13:10 GMT -5
That's so cool. Gives me something to aspire to.
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