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Post by holajonathan on Aug 20, 2021 0:52:20 GMT -5
jasoninsd Copper (or is it bronze?) works well with the colors in these thundereggs. Your more ornate wraps exhibit a level of craftsmanship that belies your short amount of time doing this. I generally prefer to see all the cab and to have any ornate details on top or off to a side, but I can see that you put some real thought into those decisions. You don't cover up the best parts of the cabs with wire (a pet peeve of mine). Instead, you use the ornate details as a way to embellish less interesting parts of the cab or to better frame the best part. #4 is a good example of this. And when the whole cab deserves to be seen, that is what you do -- like #5 and #7. I seriously appreciate this Jonathan! I enjoy studying the wraps of others to see what I like and what I don't like. On a couple of my very first wraps, a comment was made with regards to my "ornate" portions covering up and detracting from the stone itself. I've tried very hard to be cognizant of when the stone calls for ornate decoration to make up for what the stone may be lacking, or allow the stone itself be the star of the show. Sometimes, I get it right. Putting than the "sin" of covering up the best part of the rock with too much wire (something you don't do), I guess it is largely a matter of taste. Here's how I look at it... There are a very small percentage of cabochons that are so special, anything but a groove wrap or an extremely minimalist wire wrap is an unnecessary distraction. I am talking about the 1 in a 1000 type of cabs where the rough is amazing and the cab turns out perfect. If the cab is as beautiful as a gemstone, it deserves a gemstone treatment. No one puts a huge bezel around a large, sparkling diamond unless they have a good reason for doing so. It is not the default treatment of a large gemstone. Then, there are the good cabs that benefit from a nice frame. Just as a tasteful frame adds something to the aesthetic value of a piece of artwork, a tasteful wire wrap makes a good cab look better. But if what you notice first or remember most about a piece of artwork is the frame, then, well, you know... Finally, there is amazing jewelry that has mediocre rock elements, but the the rocks aren't the point, and the jewelry is amazing nonetheless. I don't see a lot of this type of jewelry on RTH since most of us are rock lovers first, and jewelry artisans second, if at all. That's not to say there are't some highly skilled jewelry makers here -- there are, absolutely. But most, if not all of them, are also highly skilled at the lapidary part as well, and want the rock to command at least as much attention as any other jewelry elements. Here's a tip that I picked up when trying to become a better photographer, but it also works for artwork and wire-wrapped cabs, I think. Look at a photo of a wire wrapped cab for the first time, and allow your eyes to move to whatever draws your attention. But at the same time, sort of make a mental note of where your eyes move. In your first photo, my eyes go immediately to the center of the cab, to that little red-orange spot that contrasts nicely with the moss around it. Then, my eyes move around the whole center of the cab, because it has some good moss throughout. Next, my eyes go briefly to the little wire loops on the middle edges, which are a nice element. Then, my eyes follow up the outside wires from the middle to the top of the cab, at which point I notice, and briefly admire, the moderately-ornate but not overdone wire elements at the top. After about two seconds of looking at the wire wrapping, my attention is drawn back to the cab, this time spending more time looking at the fine details, the high shine, etc. I am not tempted to look back at the wire wrap until I have really gotten a good look at every part of the cab. Finally, my vision sort of zooms out, I see the cab + wire wrap in its entirety, and I like the whole thing. The way my eyes naturally moved around the first photo confirms that you have a good balance between the cab and the rock. If the wrap were overdone, I would probably look briefly at the cab, then my eyes would jump to the wrap, and my attention would continue jumping back and forth between the two. It would be as if I wanted to appreciate the cab, but my eyes just keep tripping over the wire wrap as I try to walk my attention back to the cab. We tend to not like having our eyes jump around too much. Instead, we like our attention to be led around naturally from one element to another. This is one way to think about design -- how you want to direct and guide someone's focus and attention. Lines help in this regard, as our eyes naturally follow them. Criss-crossed lines tend to momentarily stop our eyes and focus our attention, whereas parallel lines tend to move our eyes and attention even more quickly towards in a certain direction. You can find a ton of information about this by searching google for something like "photography lines composition." These ideas apply not only to the wire wrap, but also to drawing a preform on a slab of rough.
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Post by holajonathan on Aug 20, 2021 1:07:30 GMT -5
Another little tip borrowed from photography. Eyes, or things that look like eyes, draw our attention. This is something programmed deeply into our brains. In photographs, you generally want eyes to be in focus -- whether human eyes, bug eyes, or things that simply look like eyes. And if the eyes in the photograph are looking at something, we will naturally look at that same thing. So in addition to lines, eyes are a powerful design element for directing attention. In the case of rocks, orbs and concentric banding do the same thing. We like to see the whole orb and for it to be clearly displayed. I think the orbs-as-eyes thing is what subconsciously makes rocks with orbs so popular.
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 20, 2021 21:23:49 GMT -5
I seriously appreciate this Jonathan! I enjoy studying the wraps of others to see what I like and what I don't like. On a couple of my very first wraps, a comment was made with regards to my "ornate" portions covering up and detracting from the stone itself. I've tried very hard to be cognizant of when the stone calls for ornate decoration to make up for what the stone may be lacking, or allow the stone itself be the star of the show. Sometimes, I get it right. Putting than the "sin" of covering up the best part of the rock with too much wire (something you don't do), I guess it is largely a matter of taste. Here's how I look at it... There are a very small percentage of cabochons that are so special, anything but a groove wrap or an extremely minimalist wire wrap is an unnecessary distraction. I am talking about the 1 in a 1000 type of cabs where the rough is amazing and the cab turns out perfect. If the cab is as beautiful as a gemstone, it deserves a gemstone treatment. No one puts a huge bezel around a large, sparkling diamond unless they have a good reason for doing so. It is not the default treatment of a large gemstone. Then, there are the good cabs that benefit from a nice frame. Just as a tasteful frame adds something to the aesthetic value of a piece of artwork, a tasteful wire wrap makes a good cab look better. But if what you notice first or remember most about a piece of artwork is the frame, then, well, you know... Finally, there is amazing jewelry that has mediocre rock elements, but the the rocks aren't the point, and the jewelry is amazing nonetheless. I don't see a lot of this type of jewelry on RTH since most of us are rock lovers first, and jewelry artisans second, if at all. That's not to say there are't some highly skilled jewelry makers here -- there are, absolutely. But most, if not all of them, are also highly skilled at the lapidary part as well, and want the rock to command at least as much attention as any other jewelry elements. Here's a tip that I picked up when trying to become a better photographer, but it also works for artwork and wire-wrapped cabs, I think. Look at a photo of a wire wrapped cab for the first time, and allow your eyes to move to whatever draws your attention. But at the same time, sort of make a mental note of where your eyes move. In your first photo, my eyes go immediately to the center of the cab, to that little red-orange spot that contrasts nicely with the moss around it. Then, my eyes move around the whole center of the cab, because it has some good moss throughout. Next, my eyes go briefly to the little wire loops on the middle edges, which are a nice element. Then, my eyes follow up the outside wires from the middle to the top of the cab, at which point I notice, and briefly admire, the moderately-ornate but not overdone wire elements at the top. After about two seconds of looking at the wire wrapping, my attention is drawn back to the cab, this time spending more time looking at the fine details, the high shine, etc. I am not tempted to look back at the wire wrap until I have really gotten a good look at every part of the cab. Finally, my vision sort of zooms out, I see the cab + wire wrap in its entirety, and I like the whole thing. The way my eyes naturally moved around the first photo confirms that you have a good balance between the cab and the rock. If the wrap were overdone, I would probably look briefly at the cab, then my eyes would jump to the wrap, and my attention would continue jumping back and forth between the two. It would be as if I wanted to appreciate the cab, but my eyes just keep tripping over the wire wrap as I try to walk my attention back to the cab. We tend to not like having our eyes jump around too much. Instead, we like our attention to be led around naturally from one element to another. This is one way to think about design -- how you want to direct and guide someone's focus and attention. Lines help in this regard, as our eyes naturally follow them. Criss-crossed lines tend to momentarily stop our eyes and focus our attention, whereas parallel lines tend to move our eyes and attention even more quickly towards in a certain direction. You can find a ton of information about this by searching google for something like "photography lines composition." These ideas apply not only to the wire wrap, but also to drawing a preform on a slab of rough. I just mentioned this in another thread...but thank you with all sincerity for taking the time to respond with this much information! I opened up another tab and looked at that first cab through your eyes (viewing it as you described the way you looked at it). I will definitely look into "photography lines composition". (And I feel utterly inadequate replying as meagerly as I did! LOL)
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Fossilman
Cave Dweller
Member since January 2009
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 24, 2021 12:26:51 GMT -5
Serious wrapping, I like them all...RR eggs are the best....
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Post by miket on Aug 24, 2021 14:16:08 GMT -5
Eh, they're ok.
Just kidding, my friend. Excellent cabs, excellent wraps to go with them. I especially like numbers 10 and 11, something about the fortifications I suppose... I like Thundereggs too- great work!
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 24, 2021 14:16:12 GMT -5
Serious wrapping, I like them all...RR eggs are the best.... Thanks Mike! I went through all my wraps to put them into display cases this morning...and I couldn't believe how many Thunderegg cabs and wire wraps I've done! I've done more of them than anything else! LOL *And I will be getting more Priday eggs pretty soon!
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 24, 2021 14:18:16 GMT -5
Eh, they're ok.
Just kidding, my friend. Excellent cabs, excellent wraps to go with them. I especially like numbers 10 and 11, something about the fortifications I suppose... I like Thundereggs too- great work!
I know...I need WAY more Thundereggs to get more practice! LOL Thanks my friend! If I could get a couple LFRB's full of the eggs like in #10 and #11, I'd be pretty satisfied...for awhile.
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Post by miket on Aug 24, 2021 14:19:06 GMT -5
Serious wrapping, I like them all...RR eggs are the best.... Thanks Mike! I went through all my wraps to put them into display cases this morning...and I couldn't believe how many Thunderegg cabs and wire wraps I've done! I've done more of them than anything else! LOL *And I will be getting more Priday eggs pretty soon! Display cases...does that mean you're getting into the retail end of this hobby? Nice!
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 24, 2021 14:32:50 GMT -5
Thanks Mike! I went through all my wraps to put them into display cases this morning...and I couldn't believe how many Thunderegg cabs and wire wraps I've done! I've done more of them than anything else! LOL *And I will be getting more Priday eggs pretty soon! Display cases...does that mean you're getting into the retail end of this hobby? Nice!
Well...eventually...or maybe kind of now...sort of. My mom was wearing one of my pieces yesterday when she was doing some errands. The owner of a print shop here in town saw it and was pretty impressed. She said if I wouldn't mind bringing some pieces down she'd love to see them. I had a couple display cases already, but not nearly enough, so I picked up a couple more this morning. I took them all down for her to see them and she ended up working a deal for two pieces...cash plus she's going to design and print business cards for me.
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Post by miket on Aug 24, 2021 15:31:05 GMT -5
Display cases...does that mean you're getting into the retail end of this hobby? Nice!
Well...eventually...or maybe kind of now...sort of. My mom was wearing one of my pieces yesterday when she was doing some errands. The owner of a print shop here in town saw it and was pretty impressed. She said if I wouldn't mind bringing some pieces down she'd love to see them. I had a couple display cases already, but not nearly enough, so I picked up a couple more this morning. I took them all down for her to see them and she ended up working a deal for two pieces...cash plus she's going to design and print business cards for me.
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Post by fernwood on Aug 24, 2021 16:46:18 GMT -5
Your wraps are great. Glad you were able to sell some.
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 24, 2021 18:38:30 GMT -5
Well...eventually...or maybe kind of now...sort of. My mom was wearing one of my pieces yesterday when she was doing some errands. The owner of a print shop here in town saw it and was pretty impressed. She said if I wouldn't mind bringing some pieces down she'd love to see them. I had a couple display cases already, but not nearly enough, so I picked up a couple more this morning. I took them all down for her to see them and she ended up working a deal for two pieces...cash plus she's going to design and print business cards for me. Thanks my friend! Your wraps are great. Glad you were able to sell some. Thanks Beth! It wasn't planned...and I wasn't even really prepared for it...but everything happens for a reason.
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ncboxorox
having dreams about rocks
Member since March 2021
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Post by ncboxorox on Sept 5, 2021 4:08:33 GMT -5
Wow, that’s really cool!
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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 5, 2021 7:13:36 GMT -5
Thanks NC! I've got some more preforms ready to go...now they just need to find a place in the lineup! LOL
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