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Post by stephan on Oct 8, 2021 17:46:31 GMT -5
jasoninsd 1,139 preforms??? You'd better get a cab machine or a second lap and learn how to cab with both hands. I like having a few preforms laying around, but I keep most of my slabs intact until I'm ready to cab them. If I ever discover that I have more rocks that I can cab in a lifetime (probably there already), I figure I'll have an easier time getting rid of the slabs than I would preforms. Cutting them all into preforms would be good for consolidating them however. I have stacks of slabs everywhere right now... I can't remember what west Texas plume agate slab I sent you. Is it clear agate with black plumes? I haven't been able to get good slabs out of many of those, and if I send it to you, I must have thought it had some potential. You don't have to describe it. I'll wait for photos of the cabs. That is just the start of them. If you're a preform hoarder, I'm a slab hoarder, I suppose. Holy Crap I'm drooling because of all those slabs! LOL I keep all my slabs in Ziploc bags - stuck in small totes. I have to keep them all together with a sticky-note inside the bag or I'll forget what they are! (Well, all of them except Teepee Canyon Agates! LOL) Yeah...that really was the final number of preforms from about a month of slabbing/trimming/shaping. They're all ready to be dopped - yes, I'll dop them as I value my knuckes! LOL - I was probably WAY overzealous with getting them all done like that. There's 63 different materials...and some only have one preform...but others, like Teepee Canyon Agates have 96 preforms ready to go. I have well over 200 various Mexican Lace agates ready to go. Yes...I still need a cabbing machine! LOL The West Texas Plume Agate you sent me was clear agate with yellow/gold plumes. It definitely has potential, if I can make it sing, we'll be good! LOL - It was a small slab and I only got two preforms out of it. I do have 11 preforms of the Spotted Jasper ready to go...which was the catalyst for our relationship! LOL I think jasoninsd is taking the squirrel approach in case there's a hard winter and he's snowed in. Just hope he doesn't forget where he put half of them.
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 8, 2021 18:11:21 GMT -5
Holy Crap I'm drooling because of all those slabs! LOL I keep all my slabs in Ziploc bags - stuck in small totes. I have to keep them all together with a sticky-note inside the bag or I'll forget what they are! (Well, all of them except Teepee Canyon Agates! LOL) Yeah...that really was the final number of preforms from about a month of slabbing/trimming/shaping. They're all ready to be dopped - yes, I'll dop them as I value my knuckes! LOL - I was probably WAY overzealous with getting them all done like that. There's 63 different materials...and some only have one preform...but others, like Teepee Canyon Agates have 96 preforms ready to go. I have well over 200 various Mexican Lace agates ready to go. Yes...I still need a cabbing machine! LOL The West Texas Plume Agate you sent me was clear agate with yellow/gold plumes. It definitely has potential, if I can make it sing, we'll be good! LOL - It was a small slab and I only got two preforms out of it. I do have 11 preforms of the Spotted Jasper ready to go...which was the catalyst for our relationship! LOL I think jasoninsd is taking the squirrel approach in case there's a hard winter and he's snowed in. Just hope he doesn't forget where he put half of them. That's exactly why I started doing it. Last winter I was cutting when it was up in the high 30's. I didn't want to "have" to do that again this year...but if something "important" comes up, I'll probably be out there again! LOL Funny you say "find them"! Yesterday I found a finished cab on the floor under my work table...it had to have been there for months...I didn't even know it was missing! LOL
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Post by saxplayer on Oct 8, 2021 21:18:40 GMT -5
Great cabs man! You should be proud. The Montana are my favorite if not because they are so hard to find fracture free.
I need to take the cab leap lol - haven’t got myself to do it yet. Sad because I have the equipment :/
I guess I’m nervous as to what to do entirely and I also don’t want to switch / order my wheels.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Oct 8, 2021 22:25:50 GMT -5
Those are great, Jonathan! You know I like Crazy Lace, but the polka dotted Montana is pretty hard to ignore. It might be my favorite. I don't even know what I love about that stuff so much. Maybe it's the shine that you talked about. My wife doesn't get excited about it at all. she says something like "it's interesting, but it's not pretty". I think it's both. Thanks, Rob. I am pretty sure I sent you a slab from the polka dotted Montana a few months back. Look familiar? My cab is thinner than the slab I sent you, but it's the same rock. I think the Montana agate charm is that, other than the good inclusions (plumes, dots, moss, etc), it is something approaching pure chalcedony. That is why it polished so well, but also why it stand out in its simplicity. With the crazy lace, for example, there is a fine line between an amazing pattern, and too much going on (hence, crazy lace). With the Montana agates, there is often just the right amount going on. I cab mostly with my bare fingers. By the time I get to the 3000 wheel, it is hard to hold on to the Montana agates. They feel slippery and oily they are so well polished. They start to shine pretty well after the 600 wheel. I polish the back of the translucent ones, making them even harder to grip. I know you sent me some Montana. Now I'm more excited to play with it. I'm almost hoping for winter so I'm pushed into the basement to do something with all my rocks. Why no dop sticks? I wouldn't want to try to hang onto cabs with my bare hands. I have a friend who cabs that way too. I like my dop sticks.
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 8, 2021 22:38:48 GMT -5
Great cabs man! You should be proud. The Montana are my favorite if not because they are so hard to find fracture free. I need to take the cab leap lol - haven’t got myself to do it yet. Sad because I have the equipment :/ I guess I’m nervous as to what to do entirely and I also don’t want to switch / order my wheels. You really should take the leap and jump right in...don't be scared...one way or another you'll get through it!
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 8, 2021 23:30:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Rob. I am pretty sure I sent you a slab from the polka dotted Montana a few months back. Look familiar? My cab is thinner than the slab I sent you, but it's the same rock. I think the Montana agate charm is that, other than the good inclusions (plumes, dots, moss, etc), it is something approaching pure chalcedony. That is why it polished so well, but also why it stand out in its simplicity. With the crazy lace, for example, there is a fine line between an amazing pattern, and too much going on (hence, crazy lace). With the Montana agates, there is often just the right amount going on. I cab mostly with my bare fingers. By the time I get to the 3000 wheel, it is hard to hold on to the Montana agates. They feel slippery and oily they are so well polished. They start to shine pretty well after the 600 wheel. I polish the back of the translucent ones, making them even harder to grip. I know you sent me some Montana. Now I'm more excited to play with it. I'm almost hoping for winter so I'm pushed into the basement to do something with all my rocks. Why no dop sticks? I wouldn't want to try to hang onto cabs with my bare hands. I have a friend who cabs that way too. I like my dop sticks. I have tried cabbing with a dop stick, but I prefer the feel with bare fingers. Not the feel of my fingers (ouch!). But the tactile feedback I get from the rock, if that makes sense. I can feel soft spots, for example, because the vibration changes. I lose that with a dop stick. Cabbing with bare fingers would not be comfortable for most people. But I have long, extremely flexible fingers. Ever heard of Ehler's Danlos Syndrome? I have way too flexible joints for genetic reasons. Combined with 35 years of violin playing, I am good at twisting my fingers around like wet noodles while performing fine motor skills. I also like eating with my hands. And not just pizza.
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 8, 2021 23:56:31 GMT -5
Great cabs man! You should be proud. The Montana are my favorite if not because they are so hard to find fracture free. I need to take the cab leap lol - haven’t got myself to do it yet. Sad because I have the equipment :/ I guess I’m nervous as to what to do entirely and I also don’t want to switch / order my wheels. Cabbing comes a lot easier when you're experienced at tumbling. Much of the knowledge you've accumulated about shaping and polishing rocks applies directly to cabbing. If you do some grinding on your tumbles -- which I believe that you do -- you're already half way to cabbing. Take the plunge. Your clear coat spray polish doesn't work as well on cabs, however.
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Post by saxplayer on Oct 9, 2021 10:36:48 GMT -5
Great cabs man! You should be proud. The Montana are my favorite if not because they are so hard to find fracture free. I need to take the cab leap lol - haven’t got myself to do it yet. Sad because I have the equipment :/ I guess I’m nervous as to what to do entirely and I also don’t want to switch / order my wheels. Cabbing comes a lot easier when you're experienced at tumbling. Much of the knowledge you've accumulated about shaping and polishing rocks applies directly to cabbing. If you do some grinding on your tumbles -- which I believe that you do -- you're already half way to cabbing. Take the plunge. Your clear coat spray polish doesn't work as well on cabs, however. Ouch with the clear coat spray! LOL Ya, I have all the wheels.. just need to figure out which ones to use exactly. Main problem is getting nice even slab cuts because my saw is hand pushed so sometimes I'm a bit crooked on the slab cut. And yes - I def do some grinding on my tumbles. I hope I didn't come off as trying to appear as though I did not?
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 9, 2021 11:27:21 GMT -5
Cabbing comes a lot easier when you're experienced at tumbling. Much of the knowledge you've accumulated about shaping and polishing rocks applies directly to cabbing. If you do some grinding on your tumbles -- which I believe that you do -- you're already half way to cabbing. Take the plunge. Your clear coat spray polish doesn't work as well on cabs, however. Ouch with the clear coat spray! LOL Ya, I have all the wheels.. just need to figure out which ones to use exactly. Main problem is getting nice even slab cuts because my saw is hand pushed so sometimes I'm a bit crooked on the slab cut. And yes - I def do some grinding on my tumbles. I hope I didn't come off as trying to appear as though I did not? I recalled you saying that you did some grinding on tumbles. Me too. I not only grind to remove defects, but also to shape some rocks so they look better -- a process very similar to cabbing. I bought a Genie last year and for 6 months used it only to grind tumbles. Wore out the 80 grit wheel before I made my first cab. I'll stop with the clear coat talk before new members start thinking I'm serious. I should go back to the dead camel thread and post what I meant to say: saxplayer is really good at this (tumbling and photography), and just because his dead camel jasper tumbles look great, doesn't mean yours will. Proceed with caution. That's not to say the less experienced shouldn't try, but there's a fine line between healthy ambition and setting yourself up for frustration. I am not referring to anyone in particular, just a general observation. When I was fairly new to tumbling I wasted a ton of time trying to tumble obsidian. I could never get it polished. It was very frustrating. Now, I can pretty consistently put a fine polish on obsidian. If I had to do over, I would have held off on the obsidian until I had about 6 months of Lot-O experience under my belt. I'm not sure if this advice applies to dead camel jasper, but I've got a box of the stuff, and it looks like a tumbling challenge.
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Post by saxplayer on Oct 9, 2021 13:47:03 GMT -5
Ouch with the clear coat spray! LOL Ya, I have all the wheels.. just need to figure out which ones to use exactly. Main problem is getting nice even slab cuts because my saw is hand pushed so sometimes I'm a bit crooked on the slab cut. And yes - I def do some grinding on my tumbles. I hope I didn't come off as trying to appear as though I did not? I recalled you saying that you did some grinding on tumbles. Me too. I not only grind to remove defects, but also to shape some rocks so they look better -- a process very similar to cabbing. I bought a Genie last year and for 6 months used it only to grind tumbles. Wore out the 80 grit wheel before I made my first cab. I'll stop with the clear coat talk before new members start thinking I'm serious. I should go back to the dead camel thread and post what I meant to say: saxplayer is really good at this (tumbling and photography), and just because his dead camel jasper tumbles look great, doesn't mean yours will. Proceed with caution. That's not to say the less experienced shouldn't try, but there's a fine line between healthy ambition and setting yourself up for frustration. I am not referring to anyone in particular, just a general observation. When I was fairly new to tumbling I wasted a ton of time trying to tumble obsidian. I could never get it polished. It was very frustrating. Now, I can pretty consistently put a fine polish on obsidian. If I had to do over, I would have held off on the obsidian until I had about 6 months of Lot-O experience under my belt. I'm not sure if this advice applies to dead camel jasper, but I've got a box of the stuff, and it looks like a tumbling challenge. I know you're joking lol, I didn't take it seriously don't worry. Probably good advice in your last paragraph there. Newer hobbiests should not try obsidian or challenging material first, stick with Mohs 7 material like basic jaspers or agates from TRS until you can achieve good shine, then move on to more challenging materials.
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 11, 2021 14:09:24 GMT -5
Very nice aragonite pseudomorphs in that dogtooth lace.
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 11, 2021 15:46:52 GMT -5
Very nice aragonite pseudomorphs in that dogtooth lace. Yes, very toothy. The dogtooth lace variety is often too unstable (calcite layers?) to cut through the tops of the pseudomorphs without it getting crumbly. I got lucky and found a solid little piece that held up fine now matter how I cut it.
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