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Post by rmf on Nov 28, 2021 16:17:03 GMT -5
The image shows a poppy jasper and it says it is from California. Does anyone know the specific name?
Any help is appreciated.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 28, 2021 17:07:44 GMT -5
The one to ask would be Sabre52 . He knows his CA poppies.
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Post by Tommy on Nov 28, 2021 21:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by stephan on Nov 28, 2021 21:58:39 GMT -5
I agree with Tommy. Stoney Creek or near vicinity
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Post by stardiamond on Nov 29, 2021 16:30:51 GMT -5
There's a guy I buy Morgan Hill from on ebay. He rockhounds the material and most I get from his very typical of MHPJ. He had a few pieces where I thought the color was interesting.
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 30, 2021 18:42:43 GMT -5
I'm with Tommy on this one. Northern Cally interior coast ranges stuff. As he said Stony Creek or somewhere in that region.
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Post by Pat on Nov 30, 2021 19:03:35 GMT -5
Morgan Hill poppy jasper is near San Jose. We didn’t find any, but did find blackberries by the creek. Llagas Creek.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 30, 2021 19:45:10 GMT -5
Morgan Hill poppy jasper is near San Jose. We didn’t find any, but did find blackberries by the creek. Llagas Creek. Hey, Pat. Had to look that one ( Llagas Creek) up. Llagas in Spanish means "sores." Ooh, yuck! Wonder why they called it that? And that, boys and girls, completes your Spanish lesson for today!
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Post by Pat on Nov 30, 2021 19:58:47 GMT -5
Jean, I didn’t know that!! I’ll see what I can find out.
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Post by rmf on Nov 30, 2021 20:14:39 GMT -5
Thanks to Tommy, stephan, and Sabre52 for the Expertise and thanks to everyone else for looking and comments.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 30, 2021 20:23:10 GMT -5
Pat, I knew the word Llantas means tires, but had never heard of llagas before, so had to look it up. There's a road on Camp Pendleton named Las Pulgas Road. Evidently, back in the early 1800s, when the San Diego area was being settled, fleas were a real problem. For decades it was said that San Diego was the flea capital of California! What a wonderful thing to be known for - not!
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Post by gemfeller on Nov 30, 2021 20:31:12 GMT -5
Morgan Hill poppy jasper is near San Jose. We didn’t find any, but did find blackberries by the creek. Llagas Creek. Hey, Pat. Had to look that one ( Llagas Creek) up. Llagas in Spanish means "sores." Ooh, yuck! Wonder why they called it that? And that, boys and girls, completes your Spanish lesson for today! Poison ivy maybe? Or poison oak.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 30, 2021 20:58:20 GMT -5
Rick gemfeller, I know we have poison oak here, don't know about poison ivy. When I think back to getting poison oak years ago, I remember it for the intense itching. But I guess I must not have scratched at it too hard, as I don't associate "sores" with it! I suppose some people do scratch at it that hard,
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Post by gemfeller on Nov 30, 2021 21:11:29 GMT -5
rockpickerforever, It was just a wild shot to possibly explain the name. I know there's probably poison oak in that area. Lucky for me I've never stumbled into any.
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Post by stephan on Nov 30, 2021 23:37:52 GMT -5
Hey, Pat . Had to look that one ( Llagas Creek) up. Llagas in Spanish means "sores." Ooh, yuck! Wonder why they called it that? And that, boys and girls, completes your Spanish lesson for today! Poison ivy maybe? Or poison oak. We only have poison oak, not ivy, and it likes growing near creeks. Another possility, with a creek, is leeches. With regard to las Pulgas, up north (near where Paradise used to be), there is Pulga, the source of much Vesuvianite, often marketed as Pulga jade or California jade. Either way, it’s not jade. I love many of our Spanish or Spanglish place names. Among my favorites are The La Brea Tar Pits (the the tar tar pits), Manteca (lard) and Vacaville (cow town).
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Post by rmf on Dec 1, 2021 14:57:54 GMT -5
I don't suppose anyone would have a relative value for Stoney Creek Poppy Jasper (as in $$/LB) vs Ocean Jasper $/LB?
The Gem Shop lists OJ grade B at $7.50/lb, with Grade #3 ( I assume Grade C) being $4/lb, Else where I have found AAA grade for$14.4 in 5# lots.
Anyway I was wondering about the relative value of Stoney Creek compared to OJ.
TIA
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Post by Tommy on Dec 1, 2021 15:48:50 GMT -5
I don't suppose anyone would have a relative value for Stoney Creek Poppy Jasper (as in $$/LB) vs Ocean Jasper $/LB? The Gem Shop lists OJ grade B at $7.50/lb, with Grade #3 ( I assume Grade C) being $4/lb, Else where I have found AAA grade for$14.4 in 5# lots. Anyway I was wondering about the relative value of Stoney Creek compared to OJ. TIA I don't have a price per pound for you but but antidotelly I would say it's a significant margin - like maybe $7.50 to $1/$2? Stoney Creek poppy jasper that I have found, and bought, is typically riddled with fractures and the end product cabochon just never turns out as nice as I hoped it would when I got started. Maybe it's just my experience but I've found a few pieces of it and I've also pulled the trigger on a large chunk three times and invariably it has been riddled with fractures and slabs fall apart into cab sized pieces mostly lacking enough of the pattern to be attractive. Speaking of cabochons, if I were going to make a large cabochon of each of the two materials, of what I would consider 'A' grade for the material, I wouldn't hesitate to price the OJ in the 100++ range and the Stoney Creek significantly lower than that - maybe $20/$30? In my mind it's not close. For further comparisons of the value of California poppy jasper cabochons, a good quality Morgan Hill PJ, or Guadalupe PJ would be much closer to equal with OJ, and a quality Hornitos somewhere in between. On a side note, I bought a big chunk of Snow Mountain Poppy jasper (aka: Stoney Creek PJ) last summer and it can be slabbed but the slabs fall apart easily. What it needs is someone who has the patience to cut slabs and stabilize them.
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Post by Tommy on Dec 1, 2021 15:52:35 GMT -5
Llagas in Spanish means "sores." Ooh, yuck! Wonder why they called it that? I would say most likely it's most likely from ticks ... that area is crawling with them.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Dec 1, 2021 17:35:17 GMT -5
Llagas in Spanish means "sores." Ooh, yuck! Wonder why they called it that? I would say most likely it's most likely from ticks ... that area is crawling with them. We were all wrong! It has nothing to do with not-so-nice things happening to the human body, i.e., sores. Think history, and what California was like back when it was being settled over 200 years ago. (In 2019, San Diego marked the 250th anniversary of San Diego and California with the finding of Mission San Diego de Alcalá, estabished on July 16, 1769.) From 1785 to 1846, the Spanish and Mexican governments made many concessions and land grants to retired soldiers as an inducement for them to remain in the frontier. Later land grants were usually 14 square miles in size. The large blocks of land were called Ranchos. (I.E., Rancho San Diego, Rancho Bernardo, others throughout the state.) The main creek that runs through the ranch was named Llagas Creek, after the Rancho it was on. Which, in turn, was named after Las Llagas de Nuestro Padre San Francisco ( "the wounds of Our Father Saint Francis"). So, also a religious connotation. Hence the use of the Spanish term for "sore." Here's a Wiki LINK to Ranchos of California. Read it, it is interesting, and a part of California History!
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Post by Tommy on Dec 1, 2021 19:17:32 GMT -5
California jaspers from the coastal range can be a gamble with the fractures, and all but the hardest types are riddled with fractures when collected from any waterway. If you can find old stock Stoney creek from source digs it’s a lot better with regard to fractures. This is a piece that is virtually free from fractures, at least ones that haven’t been healed. A lot of the coast range poppy jasper is also brecciated. Check out the brecciated orbs in the close up pic. Great Stoney is virtually unknown so I couldn’t speak to the value, but someone would have to put up one heck of a piece of OJ if I were to trade pound for pound for this one. Very interesting perspective and always why it's always good to get multiple viewpoints on it. These are the two pieces I ran into at Tony's catmandewe's place summer of 2020. I was digging through his "California" trailer load and my heart started doing flip-flops and pitter-pats when I recognized what it was. I told Tony what he had and being Tony he still gave me a killer deal on it, but what he probably doesn't know is it didn't really matter what price he asked, buying it was a foregone conclusion because I've never seen a piece this big and clearly it was mined and not water tumbled. After I got it home and took a couple of slices off the big piece I found it to be riddled with fractures and definitely a project piece at best. Again, no fault of Tony's, I had pretty much drooled all over it at that point. It's a beautiful rock, but so typical of what I've found with these tortured Franciscan materials.
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