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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 0:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 14, 2021 0:33:54 GMT -5
By hand slabbing you mean no vise and push the rock through. I did this for about 10 years using a water cooled 8 inch trim saw. It killed blades. I only do it now with very small rough and a blade that is on life support.
Some very nice material including the Montana. A lot of Montana nodules are duds. You got dendrites and bands.
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 14, 2021 0:57:34 GMT -5
What a fantastic selection and what a variety to those Jonathan! As I was scrolling, I kept thinking "that's my favorite"...and it just kept changing as I kept scrolling...then kept changing again as I scrolled back up! It's probably a good idea your wife came out and got you for dinner...that way you'll have energy as you work through the night on those nodules!
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 1:52:05 GMT -5
By hand slabbing you mean no vise and push the rock through. I did this for about 10 years using a water cooled 8 inch trim saw. It killed blades. I only do it now with very small rough and a blade that is on life support. Some very nice material including the Montana. A lot of Montana nodules are duds. You got dendrites and bands. Yes. These were cut on an 8" high speed trim saw. No vise or guide. The saw has stabilizers that keep the blade straight, so as long as I start the cut straight, it stays straight. I've got slab saws but I can't use them for Montana agates since I try to cut around the many fractures. As you know, the fractures start, stop, and change direction out of nowhere, so I often change the direction of the cut as I work through them. I'm not willing to continually reposition roundish nodules in a slab saw vise. That is more tedious than just hand feeding them. They are definitely low yielding. My estimate is that about 80% of the nodules are either complete duds (only clear agate, solid chert, big black blob, tons of quartz) or too fractured for anything but tiny preforms. Of the remaining 20%, most still have a number for fractures that I can work around. Not more than 5% of the nodules have good patterns and no real fractures. Everything I cut today yielded good slabs because these were all nodules that I windowed and high graded a while ago. I shaved one or two corners off a whole bunch of nodules, tossed the duds into my rock garden, and put the best looking ones aside to slab first. Those are the ones I cut today. These photos in no way represent what I would get if I just cut nodules up at random. I would have to start with at least 50 pounds of rough to get the 5 pounds or so of quality slabs that I cut today. That makes them expensive on a per slab basis, and it probably the reason I don't see quality Montana slabs for sale very often, even though the rough is easy to find.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 2:02:15 GMT -5
What a fantastic selection and what a variety to those Jonathan! As I was scrolling, I kept thinking "that's my favorite"...and it just kept changing as I kept scrolling...then kept changing again as I scrolled back up! It's probably a good idea your wife came out and got you for dinner...that way you'll have energy as you work through the night on those nodules! I'm refueled and back at it! Just joking. You wouldn't believe the number of garbage nodules I windowed to find these nice ones. Or maybe you would. I should post a photo of my pile of dud Montanas as to not create the wrong impression. I've got at least 100 lbs of absolute duds and another 100+ pounds of tumbling rough that is too fractured to cab.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 2:08:25 GMT -5
By hand slabbing you mean no vise and push the rock through. I did this for about 10 years using a water cooled 8 inch trim saw. It killed blades. I only do it now with very small rough and a blade that is on life support. Some very nice material including the Montana. A lot of Montana nodules are duds. You got dendrites and bands. I forgot to mention, I've been running oil in all my saws, which really seems to extend blade life compare to water. The blade stabilizers help too since they keep the cuts straight. I've got at least 50 hours of cutting on the current 8" x 0.040" blade. It was $20 with free shipping from China. Keebon brand. I have to dress it often when cutting Montanas (with an old aluminum oxide grinding wheel), but the blade shows little wear after a lot of heavy-handed cutting of hard agates.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 2:09:53 GMT -5
What a fantastic selection and what a variety to those Jonathan! As I was scrolling, I kept thinking "that's my favorite"...and it just kept changing as I kept scrolling...then kept changing again as I scrolled back up! It's probably a good idea your wife came out and got you for dinner...that way you'll have energy as you work through the night on those nodules! If you had to pick a favorite, which one?
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Post by fernwood on Dec 14, 2021 3:32:15 GMT -5
Lots of nice Montana's there. I really like the last Montana and the upper Imperial cab.
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 14, 2021 7:00:50 GMT -5
What a fantastic selection and what a variety to those Jonathan! As I was scrolling, I kept thinking "that's my favorite"...and it just kept changing as I kept scrolling...then kept changing again as I scrolled back up! It's probably a good idea your wife came out and got you for dinner...that way you'll have energy as you work through the night on those nodules! If you had to pick a favorite, which one? That's a tough one...that's like walking into Baskin Robbins as a kid and deciding what flavor ice cream to get! LOL If forced, it'd really be a tossup between the first three. The micro-dots in that first one - and pattern of them, is really cool as a display slab. The second one would make outstanding cabs due to the size of the black. However, I love the tubing in that third one. I had a Black Skin Agate that had that same exact tubing...same structure and same color. If the tubes are solid, and yours looks like the are, they really add a cool look to cabs.
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Post by Peruano on Dec 14, 2021 7:34:28 GMT -5
Not expensive if what you get out the final pile is "priceless". You may need to figure in the cost of the orthopedic surgeon for your thumb restoration. Enjoy!
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 14, 2021 8:41:22 GMT -5
Holy smokes that's a lot of hand slabbing for one day! How many hours did it take you to do that?
Love the very first Montana best and all the Imperial and Gem Owyhees.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 14, 2021 8:56:53 GMT -5
Alls I can say is .... You da man!
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Post by miket on Dec 14, 2021 10:16:48 GMT -5
Very nice show, thanks!
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Post by perkins17 on Dec 14, 2021 10:20:23 GMT -5
Woah!!! Those are awesome. I love Montana's. Excellent hand slabs. I would totally cut wedged slabs if I tried that.
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Post by Starguy on Dec 14, 2021 11:42:35 GMT -5
holajonathanThanks for the show. Those are terrific slabs. You must have some sore thumbs.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 11:49:10 GMT -5
Holy smokes that's a lot of hand slabbing for one day! How many hours did it take you to do that?
Love the very first Montana best and all the Imperial and Gem Owyhees. Probably 2 hours for the Montanas which is actually really fast, although it's stressful trying to cut even slabs by hand. Even more stressful when they are nice rocks! The Owyhee Gem is awesome stuff. Most of the pieces I have make pre-form size slablets, so almost no waste. That makes the high price of rough a little easier to swallow. There is no mistaking the best pieces for anything but Owyhee Gem. But one of the pieces I cut yesterday looked almost indistinguishable from Sonora Dendritic Rhyolite. Still a pretty rock, and it should polish better than rhyolite.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 11:51:51 GMT -5
Woah!!! Those are awesome. I love Montana's. Excellent hand slabs. I would totally cut wedged slabs if I tried that. Not too hard with practice. I still cut some wedges, but not so bad that they are unusable. A stiff blade helps.
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Post by perkins17 on Dec 14, 2021 11:53:45 GMT -5
Woah!!! Those are awesome. I love Montana's. Excellent hand slabs. I would totally cut wedged slabs if I tried that. Not too hard with practice. I still cut some wedges, but not so bad that they are unusable. A stiff blade helps. This kind of gives me hope for using a trim saw as a slab saw as that will probably be the biggest saw I purchase. Thanks for the information. I'm defined following threads like this with interest.
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Post by Brian on Dec 14, 2021 12:06:08 GMT -5
I’m sure it was not an insignificant amount of work to find the ones you ended up slabbing, but I’d say the effort was probably well worth it. Those are some gorgeous slabs! You got a lot of nice colors and patterns in those. The Imperials and Owyhees are also lovely to look at.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 14, 2021 12:46:58 GMT -5
Not too hard with practice. I still cut some wedges, but not so bad that they are unusable. A stiff blade helps. This kind of gives me hope for using a trim saw as a slab saw as that will probably be the biggest saw I purchase. Thanks for the information. I'm defined following threads like this with interest. It is very possible to cut slabs from small to medium size rough with a trim saw or tile saw. jasoninsd cuts boat loads of small and medium size slabs with a 10" tile saw. Little trim saws designed for cutting preforms from slabs won't cut slabs very well. But bigger trim saws, or better yet, an 8" or 10" tile saw will little slabs without too much drama.
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