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Post by jamesp on May 25, 2022 11:59:27 GMT -5
That root mass reminds me of the Cypress root masses I have seen in some of the Texas Hill country rivers, Guadalupe River State Park had a couple impressive root masses. When they dammed Lake Rodman in Florida the peat bogs floated up and exposed a very old forest floor visible 25 feet deep in the crystal clear lake water fed from Silver Springs at 800,000 gallons per day. Some of the hollow cypress stumps are over 25 feet in diameter. In shallower water people rest the front of their boats on the edge of the hollow stump and bream fish in the hollow zone. I sure would have like to seen that ancient forest. Texas has some serious Cypress stands. Certainly there is petrified Cypress in Texas. Dead Lakes in the Florida panhandle. As long as cypress is submerged it lasts for a very long time.:
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Post by lparsons on May 25, 2022 12:36:13 GMT -5
That root mass reminds me of the Cypress root masses I have seen in some of the Texas Hill country rivers, Guadalupe River State Park had a couple impressive root masses. When they dammed Lake Rodman in Florida the peat bogs floated up and exposed a very old forest floor visible 25 feet deep in the crystal clear lake water fed from Silver Springs at 800,000 gallons per day. Some of the hollow cypress stumps are over 25 feet in diameter. In shallower water people rest the front of their boats on the edge of the hollow stump and bream fish in the hollow zone. I sure would have like to seen that ancient forest. Texas has some serious Cypress stands. Certainly there is petrified Cypress in Texas. Dead Lakes in the Florida panhandle. As long as cypress is submerged it lasts for a very long time.: 🤣it does look like it’s feeding on the rock!
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Post by jamesp on May 26, 2022 11:56:10 GMT -5
Check out the Ficus family of trees further south in full tropical climates lparsons. "The choker tree"
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Post by jamesp on May 26, 2022 12:24:22 GMT -5
Finally, classic growth rings on this sample ! But rather faint... This looks like a wood structure and not vascular. Running from upper left to lower right but sawn at 45 degree angle the the grain which may have distorted them a bit. Rings are slightly wavy typical of annual rings in wood. This is a very different wood like structure and silicification pattern. Color is more of a truer red too. Will study patina closely,looking for hints on finding more. Also looks like efficient chalcedony fill entered voids, yipee ! rings running from upper left to lower right: Closer in
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Post by jamesp on May 26, 2022 13:09:31 GMT -5
Plenty of 2 to 4 pound bookends, saw flat base then saw in half. Longer pieces could be quartered, 3 saw cuts for 2 pairs of bookends. Then polish faces. closer in of first one
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Post by jamesp on May 26, 2022 13:20:11 GMT -5
Non-metamorphosed pet wood hexagonal formations are fairly common. Any answers to that one ? Crystals at mild temperature ? The hex shaped specimens exhibit excellent silicification...
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Post by jamesp on May 26, 2022 17:54:21 GMT -5
cross cut a thin cross grain section. well silicified and no fractures in shed away from cloud cover
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Post by RickB on May 26, 2022 19:30:26 GMT -5
Unlike coral, wood floats and rots quickly. Meaning the wood has to first be uprooted, then transported, then deposited, then covered up to petrify/silicify/fossilize. All in a relatively short time frame of a year or two so as to beat the 'rot timeclock'. No doubt this wood was transported, heavily mixed, and deeply piled by deposition and covered with soil by deposition in the process. It is all located at steep sections of coves of an ancient ocean's shoreline(for over 300 miles of shoreline in this case). It is not located on flat areas, telling that oxygen exposure would have likely rotted it quickly, and/or it floated past flat areas. Wood does not last long in aerobic or anaerobic conditions unless conditions are unusually favorable(either frozen or in a high acid peat bog). Wood covered up in a peat bog almost always has fungus damage that would be visible in the petrifications. This suggests that petrification/silicification/fossilization is a fairly fast and WARM process. The much shorter creation hypothesis has always made sense to me from a depositional standpoint. I still can't find a single mineralized human bone but can find 1000's of mineralized mammal bones in streams and rivers in Florida. Mineralized mammal bones have been sought after for decades and not a single human bone in millions of mammal bones collected ? They found Paleo spearheads in mammoth remains, humans roamed with the mammoths. Certainly some humans died in those creeks and rivers...William Bartram accurately reported biological data to England as a contractor in the 1700's and he reported alligators over 25 feet long. Alligators are known to be long lived and can grow to great lengths. In recent centuries man has killed the big ones off(easy to do). None over 16 feet have been killed or seen in the past 100 years. It is likely that such large alligators had to have killed humans including the dense population of cottonmouth vipers, sabre tooth lions, leopards and other early carnivorous mammals. jamesp, I don't have a photo of it but several years ago I found a human molar minus the roots. It is heavily mineralized and black, the color of most mineralized mammal bones and teeth that we find along the SC coast. Found it at Edisto Beach at low tide. Showed it to my dentist and he confirmed it as an L7 tooth from a young adult. Local paleontologist says that it is from a primate and that we were the only primates around here. Mineralized mammoth bones with cut marks have been found at Edisto as well as points spanning from Clovis to Woodland times.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 22:55:28 GMT -5
Plenty of 2 to 4 pound bookends, saw flat base then saw in half. Longer pieces could be quartered, 3 saw cuts for 2 pairs of bookends. Then polish faces. closer in of first one Those are really cool looking, especially the 2nd picture!
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Post by jamesp on May 27, 2022 8:56:00 GMT -5
Plenty of 2 to 4 pound bookends, saw flat base then saw in half. Longer pieces could be quartered, 3 saw cuts for 2 pairs of bookends. Then polish faces. closer in of first one Those are really cool looking, especially the 2nd picture! Thanks guys. This wood deposit seems to be in the wrong place - south Alabama. It is a large deposit full of many pet wood variations. The wood all has heavy patinas and is not easy to know what it beholds internally until the slow process of sawing it open happens. The goal was to figure out how to read the patina to lead to the prettiest pet wood the deposit has to offer ! Let me share the patina issue with you. about 10% to 20% of these are keepers. The others are garbage from a lapidary standpoint.:
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 9:02:11 GMT -5
jamesp Could you bust up some of the “unusable” pieces and tumble them?
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Post by jamesp on May 27, 2022 9:24:41 GMT -5
jamesp Could you bust up some of the “unusable” pieces and tumble them? Me ? Tumble them ? You are talking to the right person . These are just now ready for the vibe after 3 weeks in the rotary shaping. I just started up another 35 pounds yesterday in addition to the 80 pounds 3 weeks ago. 80 pounds started 3 weeks ago in my homemade: I removed these two days ago, ready to be polished in the vibe. The brighter ones from high/dry ground, darker from lower/damper ground: Some of the other being tumbled: Guessing most will take a high polish.
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Post by jamesp on May 27, 2022 9:31:18 GMT -5
jamesp Could you bust up some of the “unusable” pieces and tumble them? These are lighter colored woods from higher/dryer ground ashley. They should be polished in about 10 days if they will polish... Lot's of variation. Not sure what species of wood. They seem to be palm-like and some wood-like. Hopefully the Fossil Forum will give some I.D.'s.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 10:09:55 GMT -5
jamesp Wow that’s quite the contraption you got going on there! That’s so cool to see, so awesome that God has gifted you with a mind like that! For me it better come with instructions and tell me how to do it, I could never think up something like what you have going on. You can certainly get a lot of material processed at once! I got some petrified wood from RWA3006 that’s in the rotary. Hopefully it will be ready for the vibe soon. Looking forward to seeing yours finished!
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Post by jamesp on May 28, 2022 13:29:13 GMT -5
This is the second finding like this but has captured an anomaly. Note the small boring at bottom of photo that has pushed the tissue outward. The white line running left and right of the borehole looks like a filled tunnel made by a boring beetle because the termination of the hole is a perfect hemisphere. Since the grain is pushed outward above and below the hole this must be a softer vascular plant and not a wood. Devil's in the details.
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Post by aDave on May 28, 2022 23:01:30 GMT -5
jamesp Thinking this was a different thread I'd seen before, I never really did a deep dive on this. My gosh, what did I end up missing? Your finds are absolutely amazing, and I'm jealous of what you found. Your tumbles will be amazing (I know a good tumble when I see it), but I can't wait to see how this all plays out. I get lost in the geological discussions, but all I know is you've come across a great place. Congrats on that. I'll be tuning in to see what ends up happening. I always wondered what happened with your mountain property, and you answered that. I can't wait to see how a purchase for you might take place. Congrats. Oh, BTW, I'm still waiting to take possession of your Rio pile. You can include this stuff as well.
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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2022 0:50:18 GMT -5
Thanks aDave. This pet wood experience has been a unique learning experience and has supplied some fun lapidary goodies. Maybe there will be more wood deposits along the the Fall Line to collect from. The land values are really cheap where the wood is located, maybe a good deal can be had.
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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2022 6:26:40 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on May 30, 2022 15:20:57 GMT -5
The focus of yesterday's trip was all about finding better lapidary specimens and better biological evidence. Better lapidary specimens became a success when looking at 'Clean' mass deposits rolling out of the creek banks. These specimens have no creek stains, the external colors helped a great deal in finding better colors and patterns. Creek stained wood: And pet wood that is falling into the creek that has yet to be stained: Nice variety for lapidary fun: For the saw: For the tumbler: Some biological discoveries(what is this fossil ?): radial growth rings ?: and it's side view: This one appears to have a thick bark layer at bottom: It also has faint rings with 'bark' to left: and it is well silicified:
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Post by 1dave on May 30, 2022 15:50:42 GMT -5
Proof is in the looking! Has the outside of this been de-stained?
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