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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 16, 2022 10:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 16, 2022 10:18:16 GMT -5
Another great story! Thanks again for sharing something like this Robin! This kinda made me chuckle. They used the word "extinct". The headline reads "2 previously extinct animal species have reappeared in this country"...which by definition means they weren't extinct! They go on to describe them as "locally extinct"...that's cheesy. Absent, gone, no longer sighted...any of those would be a correct way to describe the situation. LOL
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 16, 2022 10:24:50 GMT -5
Another great story! Thanks again for sharing something like this Robin! This kinda made me chuckle. They used the word "extinct". The headline reads "2 previously extinct animal species have reappeared in this country"...which by definition means they weren't extinct! They go on to describe them as "locally extinct"...that's cheesy. Absent, gone, no longer sighted...any of those would be a correct way to describe the situation. LOL I know. Either a species is extinct or it's not. There is no in-between unless there are "undead" zombie species roaming around. There is a program that I watch on occasion (can't remember the exact name of it) where a guy goes around searching for animals that have been declared extinct. According to him, the definition of extinct used is when an animal has not been seen in 30 years. It is good to hear that these animals are making a comeback -- especially the giant tortoises that are now breeding by themselves again.
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 16, 2022 10:39:31 GMT -5
Another great story! Thanks again for sharing something like this Robin! This kinda made me chuckle. They used the word "extinct". The headline reads "2 previously extinct animal species have reappeared in this country"...which by definition means they weren't extinct! They go on to describe them as "locally extinct"...that's cheesy. Absent, gone, no longer sighted...any of those would be a correct way to describe the situation. LOL I know. Either a species is extinct or it's not. There is no in-between unless there are "undead" zombie species roaming around. There is a program that I watch on occasion (can't remember the exact name of it) where a guy goes around searching for animals that have been declared extinct. According to him, the definition of extinct used is when an animal has not been seen in 30 years. It is good to hear that these animals are making a comeback -- especially the giant tortoises that are now breeding by themselves again. I know what show you're talking about, but I can't think of the name either. It truly makes me sad to see how many species have been obliterated by the hands of humans..or where humans were a direct/indirect cause of extinction...or near extinction.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 16, 2022 11:33:15 GMT -5
Especially entertaining to me was the statement that Charles Darwin was likely to be one of those who imported the rats in his ships stores.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 16, 2022 11:58:32 GMT -5
I know. Either a species is extinct or it's not. There is no in-between unless there are "undead" zombie species roaming around. There is a program that I watch on occasion (can't remember the exact name of it) where a guy goes around searching for animals that have been declared extinct. According to him, the definition of extinct used is when an animal has not been seen in 30 years. It is good to hear that these animals are making a comeback -- especially the giant tortoises that are now breeding by themselves again. I know what show you're talking about, but I can't think of the name either. It truly makes me sad to see how many species have been obliterated by the hands of humans..or where humans were a direct/indirect cause of extinction...or near extinction. It is true we have not been good stewards, but I see more and more articles about the success stories. I was gonna post one yesterday and now I don't know where I found it. It was about a cougar in CA that ate a pet dog. It was caught and rehomed, so to speak. Anyway, the article talked a lot about the conservation of the species. It is pretty amazing the length people have gone to for them. The cougars are living among people. It has mohstly worked out- small dog not withstanding.
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Post by mohs on Dec 16, 2022 12:25:03 GMT -5
Not that I’m the best informed Butte Zoo's are real big on conservation That may not have been the case in the beginning of zoo's Being more for gawkers entertainment Now it seems like the gawkers are more in a zoo than the animules ha MR, Galapohs enjoying some grass
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 16, 2022 13:41:57 GMT -5
I know what show you're talking about, but I can't think of the name either. It truly makes me sad to see how many species have been obliterated by the hands of humans..or where humans were a direct/indirect cause of extinction...or near extinction. It is true we have not been good stewards, but I see more and more articles about the success stories. I was gonna post one yesterday and now I don't know where I found it. It was about a cougar in CA that ate a pet dog. It was caught and rehomed, so to speak. Anyway, the article talked a lot about the conservation of the species. It is pretty amazing the length people have gone to for them. The cougars are living among people. It has mohstly worked out- small dog not withstanding. There's a ridgeline - which is on the Eastern edge of the Black Hills - that basically splits Rapid City. There are mountain lions which are constantly in the city as they can easily come in on that ridgeline. So far, there hasn't been any major issues...besides a few missing dogs or cats here and there. I live clear out of town...fields to the front of me, and some housing areas behind me. A couple weeks ago, one of the people in the houses behind me found mountain lion tracks in a field not far from their house. So, basically less than 1/4 mile from my place. I always look at it this way: it was their land LONG before it was taken over my humans...so I kinda shrug my shoulders (in favor of the animals) when there's a human encounter. (*Now watch...I'll get attacked by a mountain lion just because I said that! LOL)
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Post by geoff59 on Dec 16, 2022 18:00:17 GMT -5
Reminds me of our own Ivory-billed woodpecker. I know expert birders (plural) who tell me they’ve personally witnessed the species in 2 separate sightings and locations. Not recently, more like decades ago now. When there wasn’t supposed to be such a bird. Neither one reported their sightings to their own colleagues because they feared the consequences and ridicule. Everything in the USA gets political, even which endangered species we’re going to focus on. Which ones we’re going to save, and which ones get thrown under the bus because it’s too costly or too expensive. Or both. For every sensible environmentalist/person out there, there is another example of a person who believes the Earth is ours to exploit in any way we see fit, and too bad for what might be in the way. I personally believe the IBW still exists, clinging to existence by its figurative fingernails. Every year across the world, including sometimes right here in the USA, species thought extinct get rediscovered. Not just plants or insects. And, previously unknown species get discovered for the first time, and not only in the depths of the oceans. Related topics I find super interesting are things like how the Canada Lynx and the Bobcat both evolved from the same parent species, just at 2 different times. In terms of how the world evolves. And then there is the 2019 discovery about a bird species that went extinct, and then revolved in the same island location. Hard to top that extinction-related feat! www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2019-05-10/extinct-bird-re-evolved-itself-back-into-existence-on-island-in-seychelles
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Post by parfive on Dec 16, 2022 21:07:56 GMT -5
Problem is, for every species making a comeback to some degree or another, there’s a hundred or a thousand or ten thousand in decline.
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Post by liveoak on Dec 17, 2022 8:13:04 GMT -5
I always look at it this way: it was their land LONG before it was taken over by humans...so I kinda shrug my shoulders (in favor of the animals) when there's a human encounter. I couldn't agree more Jason.
I always think how could it be wilderness if you take all the "dangerous" animals away.
At that rate you might as well live in plastic coated Disney World.
Patty
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Post by parfive on Dec 17, 2022 13:13:37 GMT -5
At that rate you might as well live in plastic coated Disney World. Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice. From what I’ve tasted of desire I hold with those who favor coated in plastic.
Sorry it don’t rhyme. : )
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Post by mohs on Dec 17, 2022 13:24:39 GMT -5
yep nature/life seems to have armor escalation quality create a beast with a brain that think it can foresee is a dangerous game....
The problem is
‘We don’t see ourselves as planetary’
This man certainly as a wise perspective
Unfortunately I think his conclusion for healthy humanity Thorough an achievement of unitary vision is a bit of a pipe dream
Can’t be done Need to understand Dostoevsky sad truth
Humans don’t want unity Certainly not w/ 8 billion and growing
They want power
I’ll stop there Let ya think about
Before I gohs way off ,,,,haha
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Post by parfive on Dec 17, 2022 18:24:55 GMT -5
It is true we have not been good stewards, but I see more and more articles about the success stories. I was gonna post one yesterday and now I don't know where I found it. It was about a cougar in CA that ate a pet dog. It was caught and rehomed, so to speak. Anyway, the article talked a lot about the conservation of the species. It is pretty amazing the length people have gone to for them. The cougars are living among people. It has mohstly worked out- small dog not withstanding. P-22 was "compassionately euthanized" Saturday after a comprehensive medical evaluation showed the animal had "several severe injuries and chronic health problems," according to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 17, 2022 18:26:52 GMT -5
It is true we have not been good stewards, but I see more and more articles about the success stories. I was gonna post one yesterday and now I don't know where I found it. It was about a cougar in CA that ate a pet dog. It was caught and rehomed, so to speak. Anyway, the article talked a lot about the conservation of the species. It is pretty amazing the length people have gone to for them. The cougars are living among people. It has mohstly worked out- small dog not withstanding. P-22 was "compassionately euthanized" Saturday after a comprehensive medical evaluation showed the animal had "several severe injuries and chronic health problems," according to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. I just finished reading that. Poor kitty. I'm glad they were able to capture it and put it out of it's misery.
ETA The AP says he had a fractured skull- among other things and was probably hit by a car as one anonymous source said.
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Post by mohs on Dec 20, 2022 10:01:51 GMT -5
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