goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 13, 2023 19:37:52 GMT -5
Hey all! I've been sorting through a bunch of rocks I got for free from a fellow that was moving. I gladly helped lighten the material he had to move lol. There was material from all over but this orby jasper has me stumped. I haven't worked with this type of jasper before. Quite of few of the pieces were cut going against the layers of jasper. I assume to get the orby pattern you'd want to grind wound with the layers, correct? I think there is likely jasper from a few different places in here. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, thanks!! This one has obvious orbs but has different host rock than the other types. Looks to be a thin seam of jasper. Most of the other stuff is this type: [img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/drrf37sib/image/up load/v1691973072/x4qdmgdngehztgz93gw3.jpg" alt=" "] This is a little test piece I grinded some and the orb pattern started opening up some. Some of the orby jasper layer occurs near/in some moss agate. I thought this might help identify where it came from. Here's a few other random chunks: In pieces like this the tan top layer is much softer and porous than the jasper below. Other chunks are have a more similar hardness between layers. Thanks for looking!
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Post by Pat on Aug 13, 2023 19:43:05 GMT -5
Wow! Lucky find. That blue striped material is outstanding. Thanks for the show.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 13, 2023 19:56:10 GMT -5
All of that is batcave jasper except the pink one which is imperial jasper. The one that has blue in it is van duesen from he batcave location. Extremely rare and extremely expensive if you can even acquire it.
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 13, 2023 20:25:23 GMT -5
All of that is batcave jasper except the pink one which is imperial jasper. The one that has blue in it is van duesen from he batcave location. Extremely rare and extremely expensive if you can even acquire it. Yep!! I immediately recognized the Batcave Jasper! goldfinder - Before you cut that Batcave, do some research (please)...there's a right way and a wrong way to work that rough! It is VERY directionally specific with how you cut it.
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goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 13, 2023 20:34:49 GMT -5
Wow! Lucky find. That blue striped material is outstanding. Thanks for the show. Thanks Pat! Free rocks are my favorite kind lol. All of that is batcave jasper except the pink one which is imperial jasper. The one that has blue in it is van duesen from he batcave location. Extremely rare and extremely expensive if you can even acquire it. Excellent, thanks so much for the info! Wow, the batcave deposit must have a lot of variety! There are a few chucks that show that blueish/black banding. Would these also be batcave? There is this huge one but looks a bit different.
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goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 13, 2023 20:36:42 GMT -5
All of that is batcave jasper except the pink one which is imperial jasper. The one that has blue in it is van duesen from he batcave location. Extremely rare and extremely expensive if you can even acquire it. Yep!! I immediately recognized the Batcave Jasper! goldfinder - Before you cut that Batcave, do some research (please)...there's a right way and a wrong way to work that rough! It is VERY directionally specific with how you cut it. Thanks Jason! Haha that's part of why I came here asking before I screwed something up lol. Looks like the previous owner cut a good bit of it wrong lol. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 13, 2023 20:37:29 GMT -5
I'm gonna say those are "Rim Jasper"...aka Batcave Rim Jasper. It's from the same location... realrockhound - correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 13, 2023 20:41:49 GMT -5
I'm gonna say those are "Rim Jasper"...and Batcave Rim Jasper. It's from the same location... realrockhound - correct me if I'm wrong. You are correct.
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 13, 2023 20:43:43 GMT -5
Yep!! I immediately recognized the Batcave Jasper! goldfinder - Before you cut that Batcave, do some research (please)...there's a right way and a wrong way to work that rough! It is VERY directionally specific with how you cut it. Thanks Jason! Haha that's part of why I came here asking before I screwed something up lol. Looks like the previous owner cut a good bit of it wrong lol. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! When you get a chance, take a look at some of the old Batcave cabochon threads by highplainsdrifter: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/search/results?where_board_subboard=5&captcha_id=captcha_search&what_at_least_one=Batcave&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=1&search=SearchWhen you look at his cabs, you'll see the "layers" your trying to get out of that Batcave Jasper. I've got a few cabs listed in that search as well...but his are off the charts! My understanding is he had a TON of rough...and could "cherry pick" the slabs he cut. There's "matrix" attached to a lot of that rough you have. The matrix doesn't work well...so you're gonna want to try and get at the jasper itself...
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goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 13, 2023 21:18:19 GMT -5
Thanks Jason! Haha that's part of why I came here asking before I screwed something up lol. Looks like the previous owner cut a good bit of it wrong lol. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! When you get a chance, take a look at some of the old Batcave cabochon threads by highplainsdrifter: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/search/results?where_board_subboard=5&captcha_id=captcha_search&what_at_least_one=Batcave&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=1&search=SearchWhen you look at his cabs, you'll see the "layers" your trying to get out of that Batcave Jasper. I've got a few cabs listed in that search as well...but his are off the charts! My understanding is he had a TON of rough...and could "cherry pick" the slabs he cut. There's "matrix" attached to a lot of that rough you have. The matrix doesn't work well...so you're gonna want to try and get at the jasper itself... Thanks for the info! I'll definitely look back into the old threads. Good to about the matrix part. There are a lot of different pieces of it, some are thinner and just jasper. Some still have the old prices written on them when they were bought, who knows how long ago, for a couple bucks a chunk lol. I might try working the straight jasper pieces first. Thanks!
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goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 13, 2023 21:49:40 GMT -5
realrockhound, what do you consider characteristics features of van duesen? I can't hardly find any pictures of it online. I read somewhere that it was nodule form vs vein, is that correct? I have a few other chunks from this batch that I'm wondering if they are possibly van duesen.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 13, 2023 22:17:37 GMT -5
realrockhound, what do you consider characteristics features of van duesen? I can't hardly find any pictures of it online. I read somewhere that it was nodule form vs vein, is that correct? I have a few other chunks from this batch that I'm wondering if they are possibly van duesen. It came from one nodule found years and years ago. You won’t hardly find any pics of it online, that’s how rare it is. Generally it consists of the batcave colors with blue and green included. The cream of the crop that came from the nodule had big blue and green orbs in it. I’m sure smaller pieces of material were found about when it was discovered, but overall there was never much of it when found. I’ll try to find a pic of what is considered the cream of the crop. I’m pretty sure it was all part of quants collection.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 13, 2023 22:27:06 GMT -5
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goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 13, 2023 23:25:00 GMT -5
realrockhound, what do you consider characteristics features of van duesen? I can't hardly find any pictures of it online. I read somewhere that it was nodule form vs vein, is that correct? I have a few other chunks from this batch that I'm wondering if they are possibly van duesen. It came from one nodule found years and years ago. You won’t hardly find any pics of it online, that’s how rare it is. Generally it consists of the batcave colors with blue and green included. The cream of the crop that came from the nodule had big blue and green orbs in it. I’m sure smaller pieces of material were found about when it was discovered, but overall there was never much of it when found. I’ll try to find a pic of what is considered the cream of the crop. I’m pretty sure it was all part of quants collection. Thanks for the info! Dang that's some wild looking stuff! That's crazy it came from one nodule. I do see the similarity in the alternating color bands in it. No clue how this guy acquired all this Batcave material but it must be old stock judging by the $1 and $2 markings on some of the smaller pieces lol.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 13, 2023 23:57:15 GMT -5
It came from one nodule found years and years ago. You won’t hardly find any pics of it online, that’s how rare it is. Generally it consists of the batcave colors with blue and green included. The cream of the crop that came from the nodule had big blue and green orbs in it. I’m sure smaller pieces of material were found about when it was discovered, but overall there was never much of it when found. I’ll try to find a pic of what is considered the cream of the crop. I’m pretty sure it was all part of quants collection. Thanks for the info! Dang that's some wild looking stuff! That's crazy it came from one nodule. I do see the similarity in the alternating color bands in it. No clue how this guy acquired all this Batcave material but it must be old stock judging by the $1 and $2 markings on some of the smaller pieces lol. The location is probably 10-15 min from my house. It’s essentially all mined out other than some pieces found occasionally in the tailings. I can tell you now that the material is far more expensive that $1-$2 dollars. My grandpa mined it pretty extensively and I wound up with two 55 gallon drums full of it in various types. When you decide to process it for slabs/cabs, feel free to reach out and I’d be happy to explain the best way about cutting it to produce some nice cabs. I did a trip report if you’d like to see where it came from. forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/99070/cave-jasper-site-crook-county
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goldfinder
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Post by goldfinder on Aug 14, 2023 12:24:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! Dang that's some wild looking stuff! That's crazy it came from one nodule. I do see the similarity in the alternating color bands in it. No clue how this guy acquired all this Batcave material but it must be old stock judging by the $1 and $2 markings on some of the smaller pieces lol. The location is probably 10-15 min from my house. It’s essentially all mined out other than some pieces found occasionally in the tailings. I can tell you now that the material is far more expensive that $1-$2 dollars. My grandpa mined it pretty extensively and I wound up with two 55 gallon drums full of it in various types. When you decide to process it for slabs/cabs, feel free to reach out and I’d be happy to explain the best way about cutting it to produce some nice cabs. I did a trip report if you’d like to see where it came from. forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/99070/cave-jasper-site-crook-countyAwesome, thanks a lot for the info. Yeah I'll reach out if I have any questions when I get around to working with some of it. That's a great trip report! I remember seeing the pics of the killer moss you were digging from around there.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 14, 2023 12:46:24 GMT -5
The location is probably 10-15 min from my house. It’s essentially all mined out other than some pieces found occasionally in the tailings. I can tell you now that the material is far more expensive that $1-$2 dollars. My grandpa mined it pretty extensively and I wound up with two 55 gallon drums full of it in various types. When you decide to process it for slabs/cabs, feel free to reach out and I’d be happy to explain the best way about cutting it to produce some nice cabs. I did a trip report if you’d like to see where it came from. forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/99070/cave-jasper-site-crook-countyAwesome, thanks a lot for the info. Yeah I'll reach out if I have any questions when I get around to working with some of it. That's a great trip report! I remember seeing the pics of the killer moss you were digging from around there. Yeah, that stuff would technically fall into the classification as the “rim jasper”. The bat cave is the browns with orbs or without. And the van duesen is the batcave that’s greens and blues. It gets all confusing. It’s all jasper at the end of the day haha.
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Post by gemfeller on Aug 14, 2023 20:17:40 GMT -5
realrockhound Do you happen to know who the Van Dusen is named for? There was a gent by that name (Don Van Dusen) who lived in Bend when I knew him, who was pretty well known in the rock world. His roots were in Oregon but he also owned (with Warren Hughes and a couple of others) a famous fire agate mine in Deer Creek AZ. Wondering if it could be the same person.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 14, 2023 20:33:02 GMT -5
realrockhound Do you happen to know who the Van Dusen is named for? There was a gent by that name (Don Van Dusen) who lived in Bend when I knew him, who was pretty well known in the rock world. His roots were in Oregon but he also owned (with Warren Hughes and a couple of others) a famous fire agate mine in Deer Creek AZ. Wondering if it could be the same person. I have no clue how it was named. All I know is that the nice slab I posted above was part of the quant collection and all of that stuff has been sold off. It was also referred to as ochoco Morrisonite. I’ll post some pics I have of displayed cabs.
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Post by realrockhound on Aug 14, 2023 20:39:16 GMT -5
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