Terry664
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since March 2005
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Post by Terry664 on Jun 11, 2005 8:05:33 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with Cher's response, she welcomed the person, and re-directed them to a more productive board. But we cannot change the way different people precieve things, and I don't care where you go or what board you go on, everyone is not going to agree on everything, but we can do it in a PM, or disagree in a nice way. If it is an outright slur to someone I think we should just ignore, or tell them we don't agree, and why, but not get mean back, or make off color comments. Terry
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Post by Alice on Jun 11, 2005 8:43:27 GMT -5
How abaout a separate board where Guests can ask questions and get answers? But they can only write on THAT board and can only read other boards, until they beome members.
Just a thought
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Post by Cher on Jun 11, 2005 8:57:30 GMT -5
That's a great idea but I don't think you can set up just one forum like that ... I think it's the whole board (including all forums) or none. At least that's the way my board is but this is a different php than the one I have so it might have that option.
Cher
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ArkieRockhound
freely admits to licking rocks
Member since February 2005
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Post by ArkieRockhound on Jun 11, 2005 22:34:40 GMT -5
I've enjoyed reading all the comments and everyone has a good point. My opinion is that we have had many more nice guests that get on and ask questions and then soon become members than we have "guests" that are just here to cause trouble. A lot of these quests join and already have much valuable information to share. I vote that we leave the board just as it is, continue to welcome quests and invite them to join, and ignore the few that are trying to get a rise out of everone. Trish
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rollingstone
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since July 2009
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Post by rollingstone on Jun 12, 2005 5:30:40 GMT -5
Here's another take on whether "valid" guests will be discouraged if they aren't allowed to post.... I notice that on at least one thread (and since I don't follow most of the threads, I'm guessing that this might be extended to several threads) a "valid" guest has been flamed for a rather innocent posting because someone has mistaken them for the "evil" guest. That valid guest now probably has a rather negative impression of this group, which is much more likely to drive them away then just not being allowed to post until they have registered. If they registered and people could put a more identifiable tag to them than "guest", then the whole mistaken identity/hostile response thing would have been avoided.
While I'm at it, I note that several people have stated that the best thing to do is just to ignore the "evil" guest. They are correct, but I have never seen any group anywhere that has successfully ignored the trolls. You can make a group-wide posting to say that these people should be ignored, but 100 new members can join up before the next troll comes along, and these new folk won't have been privy to the discussion about the last troll, so will respond. Happens every time. Guess that's just human nature. My point is that we can't solve the problem by just telling people to ignore the trolls.
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Post by puppie96 on Jun 12, 2005 6:14:51 GMT -5
I've been here almost from the day I started my first Lortone, in the fall of 2003. Many times I've said up here that this board is the greatest, it has been a warm and friendly place from the outset, almost without exception. The problem with requiring membership is that it is ineffective. If someone wants to be a troll or "imp" another member, it takes nothing to create a new identity. I've been on another board for about 5 years, and it has cycled through many troll attacks as well as really vicious stuff with impersonations of real board identities. On that board, when I first tried to post I immediately came under attack because they had had so many problems with trolls and false ID's at that time. I got hot about it and posted that I thought it was really awful that a newcomer would be treated so badly and sarcastically... those folks immediately apologized, explained the situation, welcomed me to the board, etc., etc., some have become good friends, and my introduction to the board, among the long-timers, has become legendary. I have no doubt that our board members would do exactly the same thing if they were in that situation. I think it is really remarkable that we have remained as peaceful as we have. Given that until recently, we haven't had problems, it seems that the system we have now is working pretty much fine, and I suspect it makes it easier to bring in new members who may first post as a "guest" but quickly sign on. What we have going on right now, to the best of my knowledge, is just sort of nonsensical stuff. Whether or not we ignore them, they will still disappear eventually, and sometimes the fighting that goes on is mildly entertaining.
My question is, what did "guest" do that prompted this? I didn't have a lot of time for the board for the last couple of weeks, so the last "unusual" thing I am aware of had "guest" appear in a thread advising me to get psychiatric help and later suggesting I needed the fat farm. I haven't seen any further "guest" contributions and it was impossible to search. So can somebody help me link up with the thread?
This is nothing, compared with stuff I've seen on other boards. Seems like it should be pretty easy to blow it off and go on with your day.
pup
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Post by puppie96 on Jun 12, 2005 6:21:21 GMT -5
To "Just Guest," I just found this post and the link contained in it. You predicted you would get "many negative responses," so I guess it is fair to say that this one will count among them. Really only mildly negative, in my opinion. All I want to know is what on earth you found offensive in Cher's post??? That is truly bizarre! I know of very few other boards where someone would receive such a warm introduction. What's up with you? Hello. I have been watching, reading and on occasion I post, but I have not registered and I believe I may not. The main reason is the negative feelings and thoughts to strangers who wish to learn or become a part of this board. Here is a prime example where a person asked a question: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/index.cgi?board=tips&action=display&thread=1118155008Looks to me like this question or poll should have been posted in Board Issues? If we practice what we preach maybe... just maybe others would follow suit. I do believe I will get many negative responces to this post as so many others have in the past. Will I be back? Who knows?
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Post by Just Guest on Jun 12, 2005 9:00:46 GMT -5
To "Just Guest," I just found this post and the link contained in it. You predicted you would get "many negative responses," so I guess it is fair to say that this one will count among them. Really only mildly negative, in my opinion. All I want to know is what on earth you found offensive in Cher's post??? That is truly bizarre! I know of very few other boards where someone would receive such a warm introduction. What's up with you? Prime example... thank you. Here is what I am talking about. Read the whole thread: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1117317950BTW... I am not guest... I have always used Just Guest. But I am sure the one that has been needling people here will take over this guest sign-in to futher his or hers vengence to others, but I asure you it will not be me. Sad to think that this group is going to FORCE people to sign up for the entertainment of others... sadly... I will not be one of them. I shall read and move on. I am not sure if anyone has noticed my posts or not, but I have contributed several ideas and notions for many here, but if you DEMAND I have a name... I shall post no more. I choose to be nameless. Freedom of speech is gold in these days and times. Exercise it often or loose it!
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phoenix1647
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since March 2013
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Post by phoenix1647 on Jun 12, 2005 9:45:49 GMT -5
Just Guest.. I agree, you have posted some messages that were useful on this board. If you decide to remain nameless..that is your business. It is not sad that we would require people to be members of this group in order to post messages..we are protecting our group from rude and mean people who have nothing more to do than make trouble for others. I can think of no reason why you would not want to be a member here...you have benefited from this group and you have also contributed. If you care, you can check the number of members in the group and compare that to how many actually post messages. There is only a very few what I call active members in this group. If you do not feel welcome here, why come here then. You are free to leave or stay as you wish. I am proud of my membership in this group and will protect it in any way I can....if that means that people are required to be a member to post messages than so be it. Membership is free and very simple to fill out, so why not join a group that realy cares about it's members and what they have to say. As the old saying goes,,,you can't please everyone all the time.....well, I am not here to please anyone at all....I am here to learn and share what I learn with others....and that is good enough for me.
Pho
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rollingstone
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since July 2009
Posts: 236
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Post by rollingstone on Jun 12, 2005 11:07:01 GMT -5
Just Guest, If you want to hide your identity then I don't see why joining the group would be any issue for you. I think you can be pretty sure my parents didn't name me Rollingstone. You don't have to expose your email, age, anything except your chosen group name to anyone but the administrator, you can choose the option to keep everything hidden. There was some new thing when they updated the proboards thing recently, with the US government requiring you to put in your birthday, which seems really stupid to me, particulularly since I'm not American, but I just put in a fake birth date (ha ha) and I'm still here. There isn't really anything threatening that I can see, as you can hide everything from everyone except to the administrator, which just gives him a way to ban your address if you need to be banned. Mark hates meddling in others affairs, but he did have to ban someone a half year or so ago when I think they started posting kiddieporn, so there is a reason for him to have your email address. You can't be more paranoid than me, and I'm here....
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Post by Cher on Jun 12, 2005 11:44:50 GMT -5
All you did was post another example. You still haven't explained what was so wrong with my post.
In the new one you listed ... Granted perhaps Tonya was a little hasty but in her defence, we had been being bombarded at that time and EVERYONE was getting a little touchy with "guest".
If you think we are so bad with our posts why is it you can't stay away but continue to come and antagonize to push your point that you don't have to register.
IF you have provided us with good information, I wouldn't know. By not registering you choose to make it impossible for us to find it. If you had registered, we could look up your posts. "Hey, I remember something that "Just Guess" said, I need to find it ... it could help me now". Can't do that though because you apparently think you're too good to join us.
If you're really so worried about "nasty" guest doing that, then join up with that name and prove it. Don't hide behind freedom of speech, that's EXTREMELY OVERUSED and has aboslutely nothing to do with registering with our group.
Cher PS ...
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Post by Original Admin on Jun 12, 2005 15:38:15 GMT -5
Nahh - cant have this - were doing a poll thats all. The ins and outs and what not arent for on here with regards having a row and all??? Not on the poll bit. I cant be having new folk visiting and seeing this. Its not that I dont want people to express themselves - christ thats the last thing on earth and I wont stop you either - but if theres a gripe and a point can it be in the "Life the Universe and Everything" section? Pleeaaaaase? (Ill not move it out or delete this or anything - but the rowing on the board aint good for any of us.) Strange thing is that I know already that we all know that. Sling it into life the universe folks. Just a fair cop poll on here is best for us. Please again? Cheers
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Post by Cher on Jun 12, 2005 16:11:47 GMT -5
My apologies Mark You are right and newbies shouldn't have to see this. Could you perhaps move the entire post to the Life, Universe and Everything else forum?
Cher
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cuervo73
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since April 2005
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Post by cuervo73 on Jun 13, 2005 1:10:26 GMT -5
what diff does registering make? anyone can make up a name and register for a throw-away email address anywhere across the world and use it to register here. yahoo, google, netscape, juno, the free registration sites are absolutely endless. one doesn't have to use their ISP-assigned email to register here, you know. so what is gained by making folks register? my $0.02 ed
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Post by rockyraccoon on Jun 13, 2005 8:08:12 GMT -5
cher you can do a search on "guest" posts only
kim
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Tonya
spending too much on rocks
Member since May 2005
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Post by Tonya on Jun 13, 2005 8:22:05 GMT -5
Well, if you make a person register and then they start making nasty comments, they can be banned.
If they have to go to the troub of registering under another name each time to make these comments, then maybe they will give up and leave us alone.
The "guest" that has been making the comments seems to have a grudge against banjo and a few others so maybe making people register will keep this from happening.
Most forums do require you to register if you wish to post. And it only takes a few minutes to register so I don't think that would drive people away.
Guests can still search through the posts and find information they need and then if they want to post questions, they could register.
Just my thoughts on this.
Tonya
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ArkieRockhound
freely admits to licking rocks
Member since February 2005
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Post by ArkieRockhound on Jun 13, 2005 8:50:11 GMT -5
I just wanted to let everyone know that I had nothing to do with this poll being moved. I asked Mark to delete mine or move it, whichever he prefered. Trish
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llanago
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Member since January 2004
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Post by llanago on Jun 13, 2005 9:08:05 GMT -5
I can't believe that we have let an annoying guest cause this much turmoil! Sheesh, talk about playing into his hands. We need to let this go and get on with the business of rocks.
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stefan
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Member since January 2005
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Post by stefan on Jun 13, 2005 12:38:47 GMT -5
OK here is how I see the whole thing- A "guest" posts some useless pile of insults- and another "guest" who refuses to register gets Poed because they are mistaken for the bad guest- Hmmm one way to avoid that- Register? I guess I would like to be able to put a name (not "just guest") to a post- Helps keep things filed in my simple brain! Lllana I "Guest" it has just gotten to the point that the personal attacks have gotten annoying! I don't mind critiism but If you want to insult me- do it to my face- don't hide behind a "guest tree" and shout at me after I have walked past. Just some food for thought-
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Post by Cher on Jun 14, 2005 6:06:11 GMT -5
You know, it wouldn't be so bad if he was just being generally annoying like birdturd was but to be picking on individual members is just wrong! I can't believe any of you would vote to let that continue.
Cher
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