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Post by cpdad on Apr 4, 2009 21:42:01 GMT -5
what in the world is going on?...alabama...california...new york...pittsburgh....5 children just killed in washington...what in in the world is the reason for it.
i havent a clue...is to many people on meds?....anybody got a clue...i sure as heck dont....kev
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Post by mohs on Apr 4, 2009 21:48:36 GMT -5
i don't have a plausible theory besides... that the gate of madness as been open & needs to run its course hopefully there will be an end to this madness
edited to make my statement more concise this question really bothers me ...
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Post by texaswoodie on Apr 5, 2009 8:09:53 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you what's happening, but most people don't want to hear it.
Curt
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 5, 2009 9:04:16 GMT -5
Likely a product of overpopulation accompanied by various things that cause additional stress that triggers violence ie. Loss of a job, wife, money court case etc. Rat overpopulation studies have shown the rats get increasingly violence prone when crowded and the slightest additional stress will set off murderous violence. Plenty of stress on the average Joe human being these days! Different species, different weapons, same problemo!.....Mel
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Post by texaswoodie on Apr 5, 2009 9:12:13 GMT -5
OK Mel, I don't hear a lot of Japanese news, but Japan is the most crowded country there is. Let me know if I'm wrong, but I don't think Japan has the problem of parents going bezerk and killing their kids. Japan is so crowded that several generations have to live in the same house because there is no real estate to be had.
Curt
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Post by Bikerrandy on Apr 5, 2009 9:15:54 GMT -5
Curt- Japanese are raised to respect themselves and others. I worked in Sasebo for two years, Japan is the friendliest country on Earth!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 9:52:59 GMT -5
Very sad, children being the victims.
What Randy said..........one side of my family is Japanese and the upbringing of the children, the respect they show to each other etc. is just completely different. Its no surprise that several generations can live together.
Shannon
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Post by texaswoodie on Apr 5, 2009 10:41:50 GMT -5
Randy and Shannon
Exactly!! Morals is what seperates us from rats. The US is quickly becoming a nation of no morals.
Curt
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Post by agatemaggot on Apr 5, 2009 14:21:31 GMT -5
The no morals business starts right at the top, example (Clinton ) , becomes public knowledge and nothing is done about it. It slides right down hill into each and every home. You dare not dicipline your children with a swat on the backside to teach them respect, or you will go to jail. The District Attorney is more than welcome to hold a 30 minute debate with his 4 year old about the down side of playing with matches. I hope the well educated fool remembered to buy some GOOD insurance when he bought the house ! If I remember right the Japanese murder rate is equal to or above ours as to population density, the weapon of choice ? Knives , no guns in Japan ! When some pseudo intellectual outlaws knives, it will come down to the basics of sticks and stones. Mel, keep on chippin that flint, we gotta chance here to make some big money in black-market arms ! Harley
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Post by mohs on Apr 5, 2009 14:38:33 GMT -5
I was going to say some of the biggest rats boast the most morals the whole discussion of certain cultures being more moral than any other well.. its perspective to a point America is one of the most religious of all nations yet its violence matches- and yet pales- in comparison to others every nation as its abhorrence One of my studies is madness & morals -thin line-
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Post by cpdad on Apr 5, 2009 15:22:13 GMT -5
what everybody posted makes sense to me...no morals ...no discipline...animal behavior. mel your post jogged my memory of what i already thought....colton asked me 1 time why there was so much crime in the projects here....project crime used to be in the news a lot here.....and i told him if ya jam that many people in such a small space....they will act like cornered animals....not all of them but tensions would boil over at some point. harley....you got it right about kids not being disciplined...short story. my older brother seen his son hit his mom,,,,he snatched his belt off and wore his backside out...kid calls the cops...cops come take the kid to some home for abused children for a week....kid wasnt expecting that at all...cops didnt arrest my brother but gave him a ticket to appear in court. during court....judge ask my brother what happened...he tells....judge asks his son if that was what happened...son said yes.....judge looks at prosecuter and tells him....as far as i am concerned he took the boy to the woodshed....charges dropped....and dont bring another case like this before me again ;D. that was probably 12 years ago....dont believe there are many judges left like that now. i dont know anyone from japan....but had 2 work for me over the years....they were the most respectful folks that i have ever had work for me....if i asked them to do something...it was always yes sir....i would tell them good job sometimes and it was thank you sir....i couldnt break them from saying sir to me...i was the boss...but they were much older than me....and actually there math skills were superior to mine also...and i thought i was good . deeptime...ya done went and made me look up another word.....abhorrence...now i know something new ;D....kev
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Post by mohs on Apr 5, 2009 16:12:43 GMT -5
well kev..I'm sorry...that was despicable thing of me to do to you ;D:)
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 5, 2009 16:30:42 GMT -5
Japan is a very unusual case. I've heard the murder rate is way low because of a homogeneous population and the fact that the country is pretty affluent. Apparently, according to the experts, the more racially and nationality mixed a population is, the more like crime is to be higher and the poorer the population same thing. That being said though, the Japanese have a monster suicide rate compared to other countries. Guess different death strokes for different folks. You folks that spoke of morality are right too though. In many countries, life is held to be more dear and folks' moral center is a lot firmer than in this country....Mel
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Post by mohs on Apr 5, 2009 17:25:28 GMT -5
I hate to bring up the movie 'Bowling at Columbine' hate it or like it Michael Moore laid out some interesting argument and I'm not for or against
well I might lean a little left :nono: but I'd like right that
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Post by Woodyrock on Apr 5, 2009 17:40:19 GMT -5
If you look deeply into the high suicide rate in Japan, you will see how honor, morals plays a role in this. To lose one's honor to the Japanese is the worst thing that can happen. When a Japanes businessman, and etc screws up, there is not finger pointing like here, they just accept the fact they screwed up, and end it. Woody
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Post by BuiltonRock on Apr 6, 2009 11:24:02 GMT -5
I agree with Curt.
Our morals use to define our behavior, now our behavior defines our morals.
There is one set of morals written on every persons heart, but we have chosen to harden our hearts and turn our backs on those standards.
John
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Apr 6, 2009 12:51:14 GMT -5
This type of thing sickens me. You got a problem with your spouse? Fine. Your kids are innocent. Leave them alone and don't kill your spouse just because you're angry.
I don't think morality really had any to do with it, though. People go off the deep end and don't think about what they're doing, they just act. Afterward, when they've had time to think, they often commit suicide because they can't live with what they've done.
I've learned/read the same studies as Mel. Overpopulation is the reason the crime rate is so high in places like NYC, LA, and Chicago. Add to that a bunch of kids armed to the teeth squabbling over territory and "respect" (you hurt my feelings, boo hoo, now I'm going to kill you and anybody else down range). We're not as separated from the "lower" animals as we like to think we are. We just have the ability to inflict more damage.
As far as world comparisons: I've visited Japan many times and have always felt safe, including no matter where I was in Tokyo. I'm not sure this is to Harley's point, but they don't have guns, so at most a violent person kills 1 or 2 others with a knife (and maybe injures a few more). I just did a quick comparison with Germany, England, and Italy. England has one of the highest crime rates in the world, followed by Germany. England is certainly a melting pot, as are the larger cities in Germany.
And this is to Mel's point on homogeneity in population. Immigrant brings their own customs and tribal behavior with them when they come to the U.S. and it becomes hard for everybody to adapt and to appreciate the other perspectives, so we end up in conflict. We are a nation of immigrants (with apologies to the Native Americans).
Chuck
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Post by Michael John on Apr 6, 2009 13:39:04 GMT -5
A major growing problem here is that the US government has lost the respect of the people. We know that the system is totally corrupt, and harbour the frustration of lack of recourse.
Voting used to be something valued, then it got to the point where people chose who they thought was "the lesser of evils", and now people know that all politicians are flat-out liars, so no matter who they choose, it's a bad choice. Now that Obama has shown that he entirely hoodwinked the American public, any hopes that Americans may have had that their votes could make a difference for their nation have been shattered. All that remains of our democratic society is a thin veil of appearance. Most peoples' respect for our government has shifted to the opposite direction, having been replaced with anger, resentment, and contempt. Without respect for the "highest authority", people have no respect for their laws, agencies, ideology, or lower authorities. As the government continues to tighten their iron grip on the collective throat of America, people will be backed further and further into a corner, and the resulting tragedies will occur more frequently, and with greater intensity. Right now we're seeing individuals going over the edge, but it won't be long until it's small groups of people, then larger groups of people, etc ...
Read your history books. Tyranny cannot survive without escalation, and people will only tolerate so much until they snap, both individually and as a country. That breaking point is close at hand here. The indicators are all very clear.
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Post by frane on Apr 6, 2009 15:35:15 GMT -5
I just don't understand the mentality to take your families lives from them. Even in the deepest depressions and into nervous breakdowns with my Mom, she always was concerned for our well being. No matter how she felt about herself, we were always to be safe. It has to be more than just population. There is a selfishness in people now that is much stronger than what we used to see. I have even heard people say that if they took their own life they would take out others since there family shouldn't "live good" off of their insurance...I have heard more than one person make that kind of comment, jokingly but still it says something. Any loss of life needlessly is terrible. Fran
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Post by docharber on Apr 6, 2009 19:19:20 GMT -5
Isn't it a telling thing that they kill themselves over an accounting error? Does not the Japanese sense of honor spring from the still strong neo-feudal Bushido culture that propelled the Japanese headfirst into WWII? This culture made blind obedience and self-sacrifice fashionable. I would add to Mel's comments that the suicide rate in Japan is even more appalling when you realize the highest mortality rate from suicide in the world has long bee among Japanese adolescents. The expectations placed on these young shoulders are often simply too great to bear. Their society is simply intolerant of failure. An individual's worth is based on how well they mesh with their society, not on the new ideas they bring to it. Uniformity, compliance and conservatism are the core values. That is why they can live so compactly with so little friction. if a facet on the social jewel is not like all the others, it is ground away. The Japanese are also among the most xenophobic and insular of peoples. The Ainu, the only significant minority there, are traditionally discriminated against. The Japanese have a tradition of courtesy and hospitality but that doesn't mean they would bear the shame of having their children marry outside their race. To do so in the not so distant past was to exile oneself from one's homeland to the shores of America or other western nation. Like the Koreans or other relatively homogeneous cultures the Japanese still hold the children of mixed unions as a mark of extreme shame on the family. The Japanese are and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, a relatively closed society. The fact they love tobacco, whisky, and other western vices, business suits, and cultural icons doesn't mean they are ready to shed their identity as a people, for better or worse. What they retain from their past is both a gift and a curse to them as individuals.
Mark H.
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