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Post by Original Admin on May 7, 2009 4:36:32 GMT -5
Ive been requested to look into political threads on the board, please cast your vote as per above, the last option allows a compromise but me or sands will delete a thread if 2 members requests this AND theres a level of disagreement going on. I hope this is democratic enough for everyone - (how ironic LOL) The three options are 1 - If a political thread is started (not sure yet what could be borderline) it will be deleted. 2 - Nothing changes as from how it is now. 3 - Nothing changes but threads will be deleted if two members ask for it to be deleted. Fair cop? Voting stops on Wednesday 14th Cheers Mark
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Post by Rogue Trader on May 7, 2009 5:01:41 GMT -5
WOW, this is brilliant, I'm all for it. Mark, you really do need to reconsider this vote my friend. Banning 'freedom of speech' wicked ;D ;D ;D As to the removing of a thread if two people object to it? Hahaha, get real, I know of at least four that will be constantly emailing you to have my threads removed. They are most probably part of the group that have registered me with loads of fantastic web sites in the US and in Canada in the past 2 days. (My email box linked to this web site is over flowing now Thanks so very much for your concerns - my erection problems will be fixed very soon I hope ) Yup, lets do it. P.S, can we also ban some of the religious bleatings that are part of this forum? Hey, whats good for one is good for another. pps. Trees have caused arguments - lets ban all topics of trees/plants. Hey, there have even been some very heated arguments about ROCKS on here too. Damn, ban that one and we will be flumoxed
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infinity
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Post by infinity on May 7, 2009 6:35:20 GMT -5
Hi Folks
It's often our perception that we need to work on why do we perceive something to be right or wrong or be allowed or disallowed?
We are in our everday lives already over regulated? Be the observer with balance & objectivity:-)
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on May 7, 2009 6:44:22 GMT -5
I ban them myself. I avoid this area on the board for this very reason. My opinion tends to run counter to some of the most vocal on the board.
I will say I've read Obama called "Adolf", and several other pejorative terms that disrespect the office of the president. I'm surprised I haven't seen him called an "uppity nigger", but maybe I've just missed that thread.
Chuck
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Post by Tonyterner on May 7, 2009 6:53:49 GMT -5
Mark, I see that many of these threads get heated but those are the faults of the posters. They always have the choice to ignore the thread or just not post. I guess some people just can't control their inner demons but that doesn't mean we should ban the threads.
Blarney's recent departure was due to a post he himself made. He knew it would be inflammatory and get the conservatives fired up yet he posted it anyway.
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Post by texaswoodie on May 7, 2009 7:28:12 GMT -5
HRC has the right attitude. If you don't like this kind of discussion, stay out of them.....It's really very simple. Here's a quote from one of my board buddies.
"if you cant stand the fire, don't light a friggin match!"
Curt
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Post by adrian65 on May 7, 2009 7:42:59 GMT -5
Personally, I visit the political threads only to find out what's new on the international politics and, not being envolved in them, I enjoy reading them like reading a newspaper. I also like the fact that the vocabulary is usually more rich in this sort of threads and this way I can learn some new words. Anyway, my opinion about the politicians all over the world could hardly be expressed in some civilized words and that's why I am amazed to see how much energy some people invest in such discussions, trying hard to convince the opponents that the right opinion is theirs. Of course they cannot do that and, thus, argues appear occasionally.
Of course, if judging Mark's question nowadays, after so many waves shook our peaceful boat, I'd be tempted to vote with the 3rd option or even the first one. But then again, what if a discussion is not political in its beginning and it slides this way by the time? When is the moment it should be closed? Hard to decide. Some political threads go on and end up in a civilized manner. It's hard to consider them the only source of trouble on the board. As you noticed a few days ago, a thread whose start had nothing to do with politics and which was started with the best intentions, ended in the deepest mud and then it was erased. Trouble appears due to people, not due to the topic and even if political threads seem to be the most subjected to arguing, let them be like that as an outlet for the persons with more energy. Things like that happen so seldom (at least this was until now and hopefully it will be from now on too) due to the quality of the members here. Till now, the self- censorship worked so fine here and although it's not uncommon when threads having double meaning words or pictures have been posted, they always have been kept in the limits of good quality humour.
So I think the best way would be to leave it up to you and John when to delete a thread. You didn't have to do a hard work in this field before and hopefully you won't have to do it in the future either, but from time to time it's necessary and it should be your decision. Some threads might be deleted without any request, while for others it would be hard to set a number of requests for automatic erasing. The deleting requests should only point you about the threads that went out of control.
Adrian
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Post by akansan on May 7, 2009 8:13:53 GMT -5
I've watched the political threads for the past few years. Generally, it's the same people that delete themselves when they get out of hand. For the most part, we have a good live and let live policy.
I DON'T agree with the idea if 2 people ask, you will then delete the thread - any thread. Threads have a way of dying a natural death on their own...or brought back under control to a normal discussion. Threads have been deleted in the past six months for this reason...and it's unfair. The threads themselves weren't even that out of control.
So no. Keep it the way it is, and do not formalize the "policing control" that other members have taken it upon themselves to install. As Rogue pointed out, there are enough cliques and "like-minded" individuals that it would be too easy to have ANY thread removed with just a two person requirement.
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chassroc
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Post by chassroc on May 7, 2009 8:19:18 GMT -5
OMG...U cannot B serious!
My Right Wing Bretheren will be crushed!
If they cannot spout their rants and raves about Obama, Teddy, and Liberals. Oh the humanity!
I'm feeling sorry for you already!
csroc
On a more serious note...I wonder who is so upset about Political posts? Most of them(political Posts) are obnoxious and the Righties defend Conservative nonsense while the Lefties defend Liberal nonsense...each determined to show that they and their cause is more rightious than the other.
Each defending a label, no matter how silly that seems. Each offending and hurting others because of some pent up need to educate those who already know it all
With all of that, this board seems quite a bit more civil than a lot of what you see on the Intranet. Probably because this is not an entirely anonymous website and we(many of us) seek approval from like minded individuals(RTHers). We exchange gifts and give each other tips. We expose ourselves and admit to secret fetishes(licking rocks and healing from crystals). In our lucid moments we feel bad when we offend our fellow RTHer(but then we go right back to defending those labels). Human Nature, I suppose
I am all for banning Political nonsense. Or am I? The idea of any type of suppression of freedom seems bad to me. Yet this is not a political website and such nonsense does not seem to belong here. It would be better if we could recognize when someone goes over the line and goes too far...yet who can judge such a thing. Judgement is inherently political. Everyone wants "Constitutional" judges on the Supreme Court but no one can agree on what that means. Everyone wants a fair tax system. Everyone wants an end to corruption and greed(but every state has more than one, Bridge to Nowhere)
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Post by Bejewelme on May 7, 2009 9:37:20 GMT -5
One of the things that makes our country great is our ability to vote, our right to free speech and our right to have an opinion. The boys seem to enjoy their political debates and often end up deciding to disagree, but respect one another's opinions, no matter how strongly they disagree. I watch the bullets fly, refrain from comment, and usually learn something. They are my RTH CNN!! I think as administrators of the board you have the right to pull any thread you want, whether someone complains or not. Lets face it you offer us this gift of friendship for free and my thought is you can do whatever the heck you want! Amber
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Post by Rogue Trader on May 7, 2009 9:56:17 GMT -5
OMG...U cannot B serious! On a more serious note ...I wonder who is so upset about Political posts? Most of them(political Posts) are obnoxious and the Righties defend Conservative nonsense while the Lefties defend Liberal nonsense...each determined to show that they and their cause is more rightious than the other. You only need to upset one. Then the pm's start and before you know it there are a dozen on your case. It doesn't need to be a political post. You bug one and you bug the lot. You ever seen a bee colony? You can't get one without disturbing them all. Hey, in the past few days there are people that have made comments in support of the gang, but when you check their profiles they haven't said anything in over two months. Suddenly they appear to do some flaming. You can't tell me that is not orchestrated. (Yes, I have checked them all and analysed the information.)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 10:33:16 GMT -5
We ALL have the option to read or not read a thread, to respond or just ignore. This really isnt a "political" thing. Responses to ANY thread, political or otherwise will always result in varying opinions. So many things in life are overcomplicated.......like Curt says, this one is pretty simple. For me personally, I base my posts on whether or not I can handle the possible responses. If I cant, then I dont belong posting in that thread, its as simple as that.
Shannon
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Post by onewomanarmy on May 7, 2009 11:00:36 GMT -5
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. " Voltaire It's very seldom easy, as there are times when I come away from this board (of so many people that I identify with) feeling like an outsider, knowing that based on the words here, there are people that would not be able to get past certain aspects of who I am enough to accept me without passing judgement on what kind of person I am - however I believe this freedom is what defines our country and what so many men and women have died to establish and protect. So my vote will have to be, no ban. (I'm also glad there are no bans on run-on sentences.... ^ ) If only civil discussions really were....
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Post by fishenman on May 7, 2009 11:06:07 GMT -5
Mark, How about a politics section on the board? We can all still get along, but stuff will be avail. in a special section and there wouldn't be any problems with politics coming up in the other sections. This is a very civil board and we could make it work. Mark can move threads to this section if people talk politics in other areas.
Geoff
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on May 7, 2009 11:16:31 GMT -5
I have a suggestion that may be a sort of middle ground: how about a Political Bitches, oops I mean Rants category? That would make it clear what's going on there without having to read a thread, and we could still participate in the jokes, birthday wishes, and other fun stuff.
Chuck
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Post by chassroc on May 7, 2009 11:22:21 GMT -5
Hey, in the past few days there are people that have made comments in support of the gang, but when you check their profiles they haven't said anything in over two months. Suddenly they appear to do some flaming. You can't tell me that is not orchestrated. (Yes, I have checked them all and analysed the information.)
What is the "GANG"?
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Post by mohs on May 7, 2009 11:22:46 GMT -5
good suggestions
nah tho.. ya got to leave it the way it is you mods are to busy to babysit a bunch of hard rocks grit gets crossed, rocks rub wrong, mohs get harder that's geology rock on
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Post by chassroc on May 7, 2009 11:25:33 GMT -5
IMHO...A politics category would just open up to hard line bitching. It's hard line enough in its present form. You would end up with something like Fox Noise or Talk Radio where only the Righties participate.
csroc
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Post by fishenman on May 7, 2009 11:43:38 GMT -5
I agree with you csroc but, a separate section would keep the other threads from having the P bomb dropped and the mods would have a place to put threads that do.
Geoff
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Post by MyNewHobby on May 7, 2009 11:53:33 GMT -5
Dammit!!!
Leave my rock licking out of this!!! ;D
I agree with the masses. Freedom of speech is very important!!
However, being ADULTS, we should know by now how to have any type of conversation without pissing people off or hurting feelings. We should have learned the lessons/etiquette necessary to interact with the masses in a civilized manner.
If I do not like a thread or an individual that has posted an offensive or whatever post ... I walk away ... I read no further. I try very hard not to give credence to anyone that just wants to bash about issues or others in a hostile manner. I am still trying to find a t-shirt that sums it all up. "Mean People Suck"
Whoever is making this mountain out of the mole hill ... please ...
Grow Up!!
As always ... Julie
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