Saskrock
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Post by Saskrock on Jul 30, 2009 10:50:17 GMT -5
Anyone else having a hard time believing in global warming? We just had the coldest winter on record, and so far this is the coldest summer on record. I thought it was supposed to get hotter
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10thumbs
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Post by 10thumbs on Jul 30, 2009 10:57:48 GMT -5
I think we broke 80 twice so far this July here in Michigan. The pool is chilly. I like it that way but my daughter's lips turn blue in no time.
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Post by akansan on Jul 30, 2009 11:08:50 GMT -5
I'm knocking on wood when I say this, but we've only had one week of upper 90s weather. Our high for today is 76 degrees. Granted, I'd hate to be in Portland right now!
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Post by Tweetiepy on Jul 30, 2009 11:47:35 GMT -5
Yeah here it's been close to freezing some nights - like 8 degrees above freezing - good for sleeping but lousy for swimming or anything else outside.
We got used to swimming in the pool when only 72 - once you go numb you don't feel much anymore
Global warming my frozen @$$ - more like an ice age
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earthdog
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Post by earthdog on Jul 30, 2009 12:25:39 GMT -5
I like being able to work out in the yard without sweating like a pig!
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Post by bobby1 on Jul 30, 2009 13:39:54 GMT -5
Portland, Oregon is shooting for a record 107 today. Bob
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Post by deb193redux on Jul 30, 2009 13:55:21 GMT -5
Ouch - a number of my possessions, and electronics (router, modem, computer hard drive) are sitting in the heat at the airport parking. At least I stored my port wine collection at a friends house.
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chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Jul 30, 2009 14:20:06 GMT -5
One Summer (or Winter) in one part of the world does not prove or disprove Global Warming. Cool and damp weather in Canada and the Northeast is offset by record highs in the Pacific Northwest. Look at Texas, the reservoirs and lakes are below 50 percent and it is over 100 a record number of days around Austin. There was record drought in Georgia and much of the Southeast during the last few years but that has finally ended(seems to have moved west)
You've got to look beyond one season and year
csroc
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Post by Tonyterner on Jul 30, 2009 14:30:20 GMT -5
You can't use that term anymore, the Bush administration made it illegal. Oh wait, your Canadian. I guess you are safe from persecution. lol We've had the opposite. Last winter was the mildest I've seen in my 47 years. Only snowed enough to shovel twice and neither was more than 3 inches. So far this year the only time we've seen 90 was back in April. Two summers ago we had 23 days over 90 in July. I for one certainly believe that the climate has changed since I was a kid.
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Post by Tweetiepy on Jul 30, 2009 15:24:30 GMT -5
The weather here is so weird too - my parents live about 25 km away from our place and she calls me when they get a huge dumping of rain - nothing here, just a light sprinkling - then a little further out they get smashed with rain.
Here we've had a very wet and cold summer - it's rained almost every single day here, from light rain to flash flood downpoors - I've had to empty my pool twice already as it's gone way over my skimmer and I'm almost ready for a third time - last two winters here have been so cold & snowy - we're praying for a nice summer - NOPE - we get rained out every day
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Post by snuffy on Jul 30, 2009 16:23:56 GMT -5
Here in south central Texas we have had over 30 days over 100 degrees with 7or 8 106 to 107, right down the road in College Station,a record was tied with 56 days in a row without rain. The only good thing I can say is at least it isnt a dry heat. lol
snuffy
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 30, 2009 16:52:03 GMT -5
*L* I like heat and hate cold so this Texas heat is all swell with me. Don't believe in "man made greenhouse gas induced " global warming. Do believe new weather and heat trends are caused by deforestation and paving half the friggin world which causes different trends of heat absorption, radiation etc and in natural heat/ cold cycles as shown by warm periods and ice ages before man's industrial revolution. This man induced greenhouse gas stuff is all BS. One good forestfire or volcanic eruption generates more carbon dioxide in a heartbeat....Mel
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grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 30, 2009 17:29:27 GMT -5
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Jul 30, 2009 18:39:22 GMT -5
I agree with CSROC. People think "global warming" and automatically assume that it means everybody will be warmer everywhere and all the time. In actuality, I think the Bush Administration got it right be calling it "climate change". Global warming is causing worldwide instability and changes in weather, meaning dry where it should be wet, cold where it should be hot, the jet stream shifts, etc. This will continue until the weather stabilizes into a new pattern.
Chuck
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lparker
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Post by lparker on Jul 30, 2009 19:14:18 GMT -5
Washington, Oregon and Texas are baking because the jet stream has been moved"
I supposed we could blame that on air traffic controllers??
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Jul 30, 2009 19:18:00 GMT -5
hmmm..hard to have "global warming" when the overall temperature of the world has actually gone down a half a degree.
"A review of more than 200 climate studies led by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has determined that the 20th century is neither the warmest century nor the century with the most extreme weather of the past 1000 years.
The review also confirmed that the Medieval Warm Period of 800 to 1300 A.D. and the Little Ice Age of 1300 to 1900 A.D. were worldwide phenomena not limited to the European and North American continents. "
hmm..thats strange..according to the envirowhacko's, Man is the reason the earth is so hot..wait..there wasn't any cars or coal plants back during the medieval warm period..thats strange... how can that be...global warming is a bunch of hooey..doesn't mean much when one volcano a la' pinatuba or krakatoa can completely reverse or change the climate in one eruption ..it's just the natural cycle of things...
SPPI’s authoritative Monthly CO2 Report for March 2009 demonstrates that all global-temperature datasets show rapid global cooling for seven full years, at a rate equivalent to 2 C (3.6 F) per century.
Since Al Gore’s climate movie An Inconvenient Truth was launched in January 2005, global cooling has occurred at the equivalent of 10 F (5.5 C) per century.(-0.05C per year)
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Post by Tonyterner on Jul 31, 2009 10:58:07 GMT -5
Amy guy, I have sources that say the opposite of this. The U.S. Global Change Research Program (2000) found that over the average global temperature has risen over the last 100 years by 0.8 degrees and 0.6 of that is over the past 50 years. The same source analyzed the projected temperature over the next 100 years using two leading climate models, the Canadian Centre and NCAR models, and both projected the average global temperature to rise by at least 3 degrees over that period. One actually predicted a 7 degree rise.
I think the conclusion we can draw here is you can find data to support either side on this argument. One thing you can't argue with though is that the climate is certainly more erratic than it used to be.
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Saskrock
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Post by Saskrock on Jul 31, 2009 12:37:23 GMT -5
Anyway you look at it though, even if it is happening a 3deg rise makes it warm enough here for me to grow sweet cherries (can only grow pie cherries now). 7 Deg will get me peaches and nectarines. Doesn't really sound like a bad thing. Lets face it polar bears are mean. They don't have a bear patrol in Churchill MB (province next to me) every halloween because they don't like to eat trick or treaters. I'm all for global warming, just not sure its actually happening though.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 31, 2009 12:53:56 GMT -5
Sas: I'm with you bud, it gets colder and everybody starves. I'll take the warmth any day.I'd agree with what Tony says too. You can find plenty of scientists to support both sides because #1. weather science is so inexact that folks studying weather and climate might just as well be using granny Clampett's weather beetle and #2 Without controversy, no one would give them grants to study such an unpredictable science and none of these guys would have anything to write books about that they make their students buy for their classes. Again, when I took weather and climate and oceanography in college forty years ago, all the weather and climate science guys were all tingly and excited and writing books about about the ice age predicted to come in 40 years ( er now?). Reality is, all the scientists are far from objective and none of them know anything for sure. In the end, it's all just unproven theory and the climate changes were pretty wild before man even showed up on the scene.....Mel
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Post by docharber on Jul 31, 2009 15:40:15 GMT -5
The polar ice caps ARE melting/ The increased runoff of cold fresh water into the north Atlantic causes the GUlf Stream to shift. That may casue colder tempertatures in areas dependent on those ciurrebnts to moderate their climarte like much of EUrope, and may bring excess rain as in the American south or drought as in the American south or other shifting extremes of climate. Overall, global temperatures ARE increasing and we're in deep Doo-Doo. The smartest thing the Obama administration- and lets not forget our worthless Congress- is to push alternatives to fossil fuels like modern nuclear technology, wind, geothermal, etc. and let nature recover the balance. Wee need safe, reliable and cheap public transport. We need to give up our suburban sprawl to a denser and more urban lifestyle. We need to get by with smaller, ebnergy efficient homes and stop buying monster trucks and SUVs that guzzle fuel when we have absolutely no need for them. We need to encourage emerging economies to adopt environmentally friendlty approaches to industrial development. What we don't despoil, the Chinese, Russians, Brazilians, and Chinese will in the pursuit of economic domination. And, the technologies to make these green dreamsreal exists. that's the real tragedy.
Mark H.
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