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Post by cpdad on Dec 11, 2010 17:11:55 GMT -5
its been a year since we had to put Lisa's lab of 15 years down....so after a year we decided it was time to get another doggy...we decided on an Australian shepard....and decided to adopt one.
when it came to the application online for the 1 she wanted { a puppy}...it was as long as a home mortgage application took 2 hours to fill out...they wanted everything about our lives...vet info...which they did call..references...which they did call...then a lady calls this morning and says she will be here tomorrow to look over our home and yard before the adoption can be approved....and shes driving 50 miles to get here...which is no problem at all...i can understand folks wanting a doggy to have a good home....but i just think all of this is over the top for a puppy that apparently someone else didnt want in the first place.
why so much scrutiny...its not like its a dog that would be used for fighting or such..seems like adopting a child....i know..i know...buts its not...its a dog.....kev.
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Post by CUL-Ann on Dec 11, 2010 19:43:59 GMT -5
I got a Shih Tzu the end of Oct. ;D even with Rocky coming from freecycle site they asked a lot of ?s , it took days before we got as far as them asking to come to our place (to look us over ) When they asked if they could come here I said yes please do, after we were told we were to get him we were also told there was a lot of people that wanted him but we were the only ones (but 1 other that said yes come but didn't sound like they meant it.) answered saying they could come. Rocky is a wonderful 8 mo. 2 weeks old and just so smart. He just loves to ride in the car with Jim to pick me up from work=Jim just says you want to go & Rocky jumps into his arms This next year Rocky & us will have so much fun walking the beach and other places finding rocks As you'all can see I could go on & on about our wonderful dog Rocky
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Post by megalotis on Dec 12, 2010 0:22:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. We tried to adopt a nice little dog a few years ago, and were turned down...because when we moved to the city a few years before we had given our dog to some friends so it could stay in the country. I guess looking out for our dog's best interest somehow made us unfit animal owners...?
Some people are really getting weird about animals...it kind of creeps me out.
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Post by rockrookie on Dec 12, 2010 9:49:25 GMT -5
when we adopted our 1st cat (Scamper ) 5years ago . from a ''kill'' shelter . Me and my Wife , who at the time mid to late 30's parents of 2 ----3 & 1 Y/O Daughters . law abiding , responsible citizens , who live in a country neighborhood .... who did agreed to get cat fixed .. yet , told the truth , that the cat would be indoor / outdoor .
were told repetedly by a late teen / early 20's kid , with nose ring , eyebrow ring , ear guaging , tatoos . that he did not think WE were responsible to take care of a CAT . after a 15 minute talk . he said ... i guess i can let you take adopt the cat ..
as i handed him our $60.00 donation to cover shots & nuetering . i asked . how long before the Kitten would have been considered unadoptable ? and put to SLEEP ?
he shruuged his shoulder & walked away . --paul
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Post by NatureNut on Dec 12, 2010 9:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Dec 12, 2010 10:23:27 GMT -5
When I was a young teenager in the early '70s I volunteered at our local shelter, cleaning pens and other grunt work. Since then my wife and I have adopted all our pets from there. That is, until the last time. We adopted a 6 month old kitten with weepy eyes which we had to treat with ointment daily for weeks. (He was cured of the eye infection and is a 10 year old happy cat now) Anyway, when we were finishing up we were presented with a several page application that asked more personal information than I have ever seen on any form. Then we were asked a series of probing questions including "Do you allow your pets to sleep with you?" That did it for me, we will never adopt from a shelter again. This madness is only a part of the movement to remove our freedoms, allowing the government to dictate to us how we must live our lives. www.taramtamtam.com/newspaper/url.php?nid=30749
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Post by earthdog on Dec 12, 2010 11:18:46 GMT -5
We were the same way when we tried to adopt another JRT. Because I told them our yard was fenced in and we had a large do that liked to be outside most of the day, but came in the house in the evening they said that was cruel and there was no way we would be able to adopt. Even with a fee close to $200 and references. I told the hillbilly woman that was fine and that I would start looking on Craigslist for a nice JRT. The shelters and rescue places think they can play God. It's funny to me how if you look on Petfinder with all these shelter complaining how over run they are and begging you to take an animal, how they still act like you are a scumbag that has 20 pitbulls that wants a dog to train your pitbulls on. I have no faith in the shelters or rescue places anymore. I look in the paper and on Craigslist anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 15:22:29 GMT -5
I am an Office Manager at our local Humane Society. We are a no kill non profit organization funded solely on adoptions and fundraisers. The reason for the over the top scrutiny is because there is a high incidence of dogs being returned to shelters every time some little thing isnt right. Home visits and long applications lower the incidence of returns and shelter operation costs as well.
I see firsthand every day the cruelty of man kind on innocent animals...mom and kittens stuffed into rubbermaid containers with lids, mom and puppies shoved in a bag, found floating down the creek, dogs with chains embedded into their necks requiring surgery to remove, dogs that have beat within an inch of their lives that still lick your hand and wag their tails when they see you. Its heart breaking! But what makes the job worthwhile is seeing all of those animals go to new homes. If you saw what I see every day, you would understand why potential new owners are put through the wringer.
It used to irritate me how difficult they make it to adopt, now I understand why. With that said, I cannot answer for any other shelter than our own. We try to not be over the top that way. However, we see so much dishonesty on a daily basis that it becomes difficult to weed out the honest ones. When people come in every single day that lie about neglect, that lie about a dog they are dumping that they say isnt theirs (yet the microchip scanner says it is), it makes you really want to check into the people wanting to adopt the puppy that you know was severely abused prior to coming to the shelter. Not all shelters are good but I can tell you that ours has a bottom line, and that is to make sure that the dogs and cats go to good "forever" homes.
As far as high adoption fees go, our very small shelter requires a minimum of 10k per month to operate. We receive no government funding whatsoever and depend on adoption fees and fundraisers. That $165 small breed dog adoption fee and $93 kitten adoption fee includes a free vet check, all vaccinations up to date, worming, flea treatment and spaying or neutering. Go pick up a stray off the street and take them to the vet for all of that and see what the final cost is, I guarantee it will be much more.
We do our best and thats about all I can say.
Shannon
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Post by cpdad on Dec 12, 2010 17:27:31 GMT -5
the lady just left here....i still dont get it...lisa was raised on a plantation in charleston....always had horses....and all sorts of animals...rescued goats...deer...chipmunks and junk. if we are denied this puppy...it will boggle my mind....no one would probably treat an animal as good as we will....but this chick wanted to make sure we knew the pitfalls of having an animal . shannon...i really appreciate what you and others do for the animals....but if someone like us is denied this...i will be like earthdog....and go to other means to save a pup...and just let those animals that seem to be to precious for someone like us to adopt get old.... and un adoptable.... or be put down....and yes the lady said after time if no foster home is found....they will probably be put down. we shall see what happens....kev.
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Post by WarrenA on Dec 12, 2010 18:09:53 GMT -5
Keep your chin up kev I had to put my little dog of 16 years down last May. I still can't quite seem to get another. These people seem to me to be a little over zelous, they need to step back and have a reality check.
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Post by texaswoodie on Dec 12, 2010 18:41:03 GMT -5
Yup, I can see both sides. But it's a litlte like the greenies that would rather see a deer starve rather than being shot for meat. Just doesn't make any sense. When people can go to a breeder, plunk down the cash and it's a done deal, why would anyone bother to go through all this?
Curt
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 19:59:29 GMT -5
Hey Kev....wishin you the best. As I said, I cant speak for the over zealous behavior of other shelters. Ours is no kill so people arent denied the adoption just to have an animal later euthanized. Rarely is a person denied an adoption at our shelter. An example of one reason would be a person that walks in and flat out admits they plan on just leaving the dog outside tied up.
As for why people would be willing to put up with the process as opposed to just going to a breeder? Because its about helping an animal in need as opposed to buying one that was just bred for the purpose of being for sale.
Shannon
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Post by texaswoodie on Dec 13, 2010 8:35:38 GMT -5
I understand that Wee One but there seems to be a level of tolerance that has been exceeded at some of these shelters.
My wife was talking about getting me a dog at a shelter for Christmas. After reading this, I'm not so sure. We will see, but I have a low tolerance threshold.
Curt
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Post by tortuga on Dec 13, 2010 9:11:02 GMT -5
Please don't be speciesist. It's "just a dog" like you and I are just humans. We are all mammals and deserve the same respect and level of care as any other. If you decide to take a dog in and become responsible for its care, do your best as you would any other family member of your own species. I applaud that woman for being so thorough. Dogs suffer just like people in bad home settings, they just don't have the law backing them up as well to fix those situations. She knows that, and is compensating with extra research before she gives up one of her babies. Kudos to her and kudos to you for rescuing! Just be patient and you'll have a great new family member. They deserve to be happy like us. Other species are not just commodities for our consumption... They are sentient beings too, and we just aren't that special. We simply mastered tools and complex thought... Whether it's truly to our benefit is still with the jury
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Post by cpdad on Dec 13, 2010 10:34:25 GMT -5
tortuga dont get me wrong...it will be treated very well...my cat is treated as a family member....the same will be true of any dog we pick up.
what i meant by its a dog is that if the dog happen to get out of the fence somehow and get hit by a car and was severely injured...i would have no problem taking it out back and pulling my pistol off my side and putting it down myself...and burying it out back....kev.
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Post by WyckedWyre on Dec 13, 2010 20:37:17 GMT -5
Denied.
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Post by texaswoodie on Dec 13, 2010 20:42:17 GMT -5
There's one of them now! ;D Let the poor dog suffer extreme pain until it finally dies Kev. What kind of person are you anyway? ;D
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Post by cpdad on Dec 14, 2010 21:01:03 GMT -5
i sure thought we got the death sentence when Susan denied us ;D...but all is approved....since we said we would consider a dog up to a year old seemed to help a lot....they were a little concerned about our 8 year old kitty that lives inside only and has no front claws.
they said...a puppy would be fine also...but none were available at this time....the one we were looking at had been adopted already....as most puppies go pretty fast...and since we might take a little older dog that may be familiar with cats....that helped a lot...but house..yard...and us stacked up pretty well...kev.
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Post by megalotis on Dec 15, 2010 19:24:51 GMT -5
Tortuga, Sounds like you would agree with Cleveland Amory's assertion that "a dog is a pig is a rat is a boy" or something to that effect. Yes, we ought to treat animals with kindness and consideration. No, they are not equivalent to human beings, nor should they be afforded the same legal protections. I believe I'll keep my tools and complex thought...well, as complex as my thought ever gets, anyway!
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Post by cpdad on Dec 15, 2010 19:48:00 GMT -5
ruff, roh ;D
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