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Post by chassroc on Mar 27, 2012 8:03:04 GMT -5
The weak of mind bringing up the Birth Certificate Conspiracies again. Thank You very much. You make the rest of us seem so much more reasonable. You make yourselves so much less believable. As you know, Obama's birth , where he sits, and where he shits have been scrutinized in agonizing detail and the guy is squeaky clean.
If you truly have doubt about Obama's background, you would probably want to spend some time investigating Mitt Romney or Rick Santorums' birth certificate.
Mitt's father was born in Mexico. despite that, there were no Democratic witch hunts about his legitimacy to run for President. Are Democrats just smarter or are Republicans hysterical over nothing...the question is rhetorical.
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 27, 2012 8:31:17 GMT -5
If there is nothing to hide, why has he not released all his info for independent scrutiny? He will not release his criminal records, medical records and school records. The same stuff everyone needs to provide at times.
for Obama's father, we know he was born in Rachuonyo District on the shores of Lake Victoria just outside Kendu Bay, Kenya Colony.
George Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico.
Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.
Are Republicans just smarter or are Democrats not wanting full disclosure...the question is rhetorical.
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Post by chassroc on Mar 27, 2012 8:47:35 GMT -5
Bill, Obama has revealed more than any other candidate in history.
Nothing will satisfy you or the Republicans who refuse to see the truth.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 27, 2012 9:20:03 GMT -5
Snopes receives funding from an undisclosed source. The source is undisclosed because Snopes refuses to disclose that source. The Democratic Alliance, a funding channel for uber-Leftist (Marxist) Billionaires (George Soros etc.), direct funds to an “Internet Propaganda Arm” pushing these views. The Democratic Alliance has been reported to instruct Fundees to not disclose their funding source. For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the ‘tell-all final word’ on any comment, claim and email. But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. It is run by a husband and wife team – that’s right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It’s just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby. David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. The reason for the questions – or skepticisms – is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the ‘true’ bottom of various issues. A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the Internet, ‘supposedly’ the Mikkelson’s claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ‘ever’ took place. I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg’s contact phone numbers – and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec’s at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg that no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. ;D ;D ;D According to Snoopes this article is FALSE…. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 27, 2012 9:24:37 GMT -5
Bill, Obama has revealed more than any other candidate in history. Nothing will satisfy you or the Republicans who refuse to see the truth. Charlie Full disclosure would satisfy me. I'm not saying he is or is not a natural citizen. He only fuels the fire by refusing. . . McCain did not quite release unconditionally his full transcripts and medical records, but the real question remains, did he divulge more, or less, information about them than did Obama during the 2008 campaign? And did Obama release more or less information than what we have come to expect in modern presidential campaigns? I think any reasonable survey would show that past presidential candidates, albeit reluctantly, have released more medical and college information than has Obama, and that he was far less transparent than other candidates even as he boasted that he would be far more so. www.nationalreview.com/corner/266004/trumpettes-victor-davis-hansonThis is an interesting read. That’s Weird?… Forbes ‘Manchurian Candidate’ Article on Obama Disappears Down the Memory Hole www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/thats-weird-forbes-article-calling-obama-the-manchurian-candidate-disappears-down-the-memory-hole/
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 27, 2012 9:59:39 GMT -5
bushman, as you know, there has been much speculation about the validity of information provided by self-proclaimed "urban legend" debunkers Snopes and FactCheck. www.snopes.com/David and Barbara Mikkelson are the owners of Snopes and essentially provide much of their own research from their home in California's lush San Fernando Valley. About 2 hours of searching Snopes' site on political issues reveals that, their articles reflect a disturbingly left tilt, while frequently distorting or eliminating contradictory information. For example, Snopes has a puzzling article on "Obama's 50 Lies." The authors proceed to list 50 innocuous and rather obscure charges, none of which I have ever heard. They then set about debunking most of the benign non-issues. But, try to fact find something relevant such as Mr. Obama's broken promise of healthcare transparency and you will get, "Sorry, no matches were found." Mr. Obama and those in his adminstration made several references to his desire to eliminate both employer insurance and private insurers. If true, these are serious agenda items with massive consequences. After numerous searches, Snopes repeatedly responded with "Sorry, no matches." The Mikkelson's, it turns out, are big Obama supporters and in favor of much of his tranformational agenda. www.factcheck.org/Factcheck is a similar resource, but appears to have a more fact-based approach. It too is owned by a now liberal group, the Annenberg Foundation. Originally, founder Walter Annenberg was a conservative Reagan backing Republican. The family's views have changed dramatically over the years, which may or may not seep into the site's reporting.
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Post by chassroc on Mar 27, 2012 10:27:16 GMT -5
The only people who doubt Snopes or FactCheck are people like yourself who will not accept that you are being snookered by Rush and the Fox News crowd where Middle of the road truths are called Left wing conspiracies
So no, You will find no facts supporting a conspiracy by Obama to fake a birth certificate or a desire to eliminate any existing insurers, either private or corporate. The people who put the Affordable Health Care act together were careful to pull many of their ideas from the prevailing Conservative and Republican views of a decade or two ago(when Republicans were still interested in co-governing the country). The plan wants as much competition as we can get on the free market.
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Post by jakesrocks on Mar 27, 2012 10:56:56 GMT -5
Quote Nancy Pelosi. " You have to pass the bill, to see what's in the bill " Need I say more ?
We've seen. We've seen the Socialist intent of the bill. We don't like it. And we don't like what Obama is trying to do to our country.
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 27, 2012 10:59:31 GMT -5
Charlie, According to Rasmussen, likely voters have never favored the health law. Immediately after passage in 2010, repeal was favored by a margin of 55-42 percent. In the most recent poll, taken on March 17-18, repeal was favored by 56-39 percent. Within those numbers are 46 percent who strongly favor repeal versus only 29 percent who strongly oppose it.
In a USA Today/Gallup poll of adults, Americans were split 45-44 percent on the question of whether passage of the ACA was good or bad, but the same poll shows that 38 percent believe that the law will make things worse for their family. Only 24 percent believe it will make things better. A strong majority of 72 percent believe that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. Only 20 percent believe that the requirement to purchase health insurance or pay a fine is legal under the Constitution.
We do need health care reform, but this ain't it.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 27, 2012 12:45:05 GMT -5
According to Snoopes this article is FALSE…. I know Grey, thought I would post that before they did.
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Post by helens on Mar 27, 2012 16:43:02 GMT -5
Why is there an obsession about 'certification' or 'certificate'? Who cares? Bottom line, he was born in the USA, as verified by every single person and agency that matters. No amount of propaganda distraction is going to shake the fact, except in the minds of the ignorant.
Obama was vetted by the Secret Service and FBI as a citizen of the USA when he ran for his first political office (and possibly when he passed his bar exam). It would have been noted that he WAS NOT a citizen (because doh, you have to prove evidence of what nation you are from to even take the SAT to get into regular college). This guy went through 25 years of education, every single school requiring this information (WHICH nation he is a citizen of, AND, WHERE he was born).
There is no government form or job application you fill out that the question "Are you a Citizen of the United States?" does not appear. You cannot get a Drivers License in any state, or a US passport, without providing evidence of your status and state your birthplace, let alone a Social Security number. He pretended to be born in the USA starting at age 1 month? Look up when he got issued his Social Security number? Why is that never mentioned? My kids got theirs within days of birth... bet he did too. Where are the conspiracists on that?
EVERY single gov't form requires answering the question of WHERE he was born. You all know this, we all go through the same paperwork. Do you just forget your PERSONAL experiences when you listen to a right wing comic telling you 'truths' that conflict with what you KNOW?
Or does what YOU know matter less than what you are TOLD by entertainers? Common sense should apply to 'news' that differ from your own known reality.
To hold public office, he has to be vetted by the Secret Service AND FBI. This info does not get disclosed, but it's still done. You'd better believe these agencies want to know if a prospective public office holder could potentially be a mole for a foreign country. Again, their jobs are not temporary, the people working in those agencies are career lifers, and are very serious about their jobs. Further, both Secret Service and FBI, I hate to say this, are the EPITOME of republican white 'good old boys', the agency cultures have not changed much even with more hiring of minorities and women. You'd BETTER BELIEVE the first black President was a case every single agent worked on in his spare time, with access to every resource both agencies have at their disposal (which is every single thing they want to access). And they found nothing.
If you've ever known anyone who's gone through an FBI background investigation, you'd know that they will send field agents to talk to your kindergarten teach if he/she is still alive, and neighbors who can attest to your character at age 5. They leave no possible stone unturned and they will speak to and physically go to every known contact if you are EVER going to be in a position to see sensitive information or in the case of an elected office holder, CREATE it. I can't even imagine the scrutiny they put Obama through behind the scenes. Oh gee, some guy UNDER INVESTIGATION by the Justice Dept for 5 years comes up with a politically motivated publicity stunt, to throw people off his own problems, and everyone falls for it. Please.
This entire thread serves nothing except to make me think less of the intellects that can believe such blatant propaganda, when it is put to the lie by their own experience and common sense, and a few minutes of thought.
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Post by Thunder69 on Mar 27, 2012 20:10:37 GMT -5
Going back to the title of this post....Of course he is a liar ...He moves his lips ;D
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 29, 2012 13:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Mar 29, 2012 14:02:53 GMT -5
He lied just this morning. Either that, or he's awfully ill informed. He said that the U.S. uses 20% of the worlds oil, which may be correct. But then he went on to say that the U.S. has only 2% of the worlds oil reserves. His very own U.S Geological Survey will tell him that was either incorrect, or an out and out lie meant to appease the greenies.
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 29, 2012 14:31:35 GMT -5
Scarce Oil? U.S. Has 60 Times More Than Obama Claims news.investors.com/article/604303/201203141303/oil-abundant-in-the-united-states.htm"U.S. Awash In Oil But the figure Obama uses — proved oil reserves — vastly undercounts how much oil the U.S. actually contains. In fact, far from being oil-poor, the country is awash in vast quantities — enough to meet all the country's oil needs for hundreds of years. The U.S. has 22.3 billion barrels of proved reserves, a little less than 2% of the entire world's proved reserves, according to the Energy Information Administration. But as the EIA explains, proved reserves "are a small subset of recoverable resources," because they only count oil that companies are currently drilling for in existing fields." At least 86 billion barrels of oil in the Outer Continental Shelf yet to be discovered, according to the government's Bureau of Ocean Energy Management. About 24 billion barrels in shale deposits in the lower 48 states, according to EIA. Up to 2 billion barrels of oil in shale deposits in Alaska's North Slope, says the U.S. Geological Survey. Up to 12 billion barrels in ANWR, according to the USGS. As much as 19 billion barrels in the Utah tar sands, according to the Bureau of Land Management. Then, there's the massive Green River Formation in Wyoming, which according to the USGS contains a stunning 1.4 trillion barrels of oil shale — a type of oil released from sedimentary rock after it's heated."
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Post by chassroc on Mar 29, 2012 15:48:51 GMT -5
This President has the US producing more oil than it has in 8 years, and oil companies are raking in billions in profit and get subsidies from you and me...no lies there
American oil is booming and does not need a handout from us...no lies there
The profit incentive is there without having to make them even richer...no lies there
Using Proven oil reserves as a mark is not an accounting trick and is not unique to this administration; it is how we now and have always counted oil. Unless you know how to get it out of the earth without ruining our lives, you dont count it...no lies there
When there is oil to gotten out of the earth economically, we do it...no lie there
The Republicans in Congress insist on giving billions of dollars in subsidies to oil companies...No lie there
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 29, 2012 16:59:51 GMT -5
The Republicans in Congress insist on giving billions of dollars in subsidies to oil companies...No lie there And Obama as a Senator in 2005 voted for tax breaks amounting to $2 billion for the oil industry but now opposes them as President. no lie there. . . Seriously though, I agree that big oil does not need these subsidies to turn a profit. Funny thing is these "subsidies" are the same manufacturing tax breaks that GE and Apple get. Where is the outrage over that? Thing is, if they take away those tax breaks right away, that ain't gonna bring down the price of gas.
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Post by chassroc on Mar 29, 2012 17:27:51 GMT -5
I'd take away all tax breaks too
Nothing short of putting the genie back in the bottle, in this case that means going back to the time before we (Americans) pushed for a Global economy, read before demand by China and India pushed energy prices upward
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