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Post by texaswoodie on Oct 5, 2011 12:04:59 GMT -5
I've liked Herman since I first saw him speak. Now he is shooting up in the polls, coming from nowhere. Since Chris Christie has said absolutely NO, I think this is going to be my man. Check out his 9/9/9 tax solution. No one else even has a plan and this is a good one. www.hermancain.com/hCurt
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Post by Don on Oct 5, 2011 12:09:43 GMT -5
not a fan of the 9/9/9 tax plan but otherwise, he's a good candidate.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 5, 2011 15:49:29 GMT -5
I think the 9/9/9 concept would be a good place to start. Any plan that eliminates federal beaurocracies and turns taxation into something most everyone can understand is a good plan. Expect vehement opposition from those who have no plan of their own and depend on class warfare to attract a voter base. Those whose great plans of hope and change and those who insist that we trade our liberty for security from the boogey man aren't big fans of less government control of how we live our lives. Cain faces a huge uphill battle to the nomination, but if he makes it he is the one Republican I would not hesitate to vote for for POTUS. It would be reasonable to argue that he doesn't fully understand the inner workings of government, but if you look at his track record of taking failing businesses and turning them around, it shows the ability to catch on quickly, unlike the current resident of the White House.
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 5, 2011 17:09:17 GMT -5
I like Herman Cain too. Perhaps the country is ready to do something that has not been done since Eisenhower (elect a non-politician) Of course being Supreme Allied Commander / Europe carries some weight, and Cain can not rival that. He does have a great track record of pulling companies back from the brink of bankruptcy, and that surely describes the current situation of the country. He certainly has more applicable experience than does our POTUS.
Rick Perry has been stumbling as of late, and Cain could well attract the anti-Romney wing of the GOP that was eyeballing Christie. Romney probably has the best chance of being elected, ( though I don't like much of what he has done) he has already been through the mill and they can not attack him as an extreme right-winger, (which is why he is not so popular with the more conservative part of the right).
The Dems need a GOP candidate they can attack, and they will go after Cain for his 9-9-9- plan as well as the fact that he is not a politico, and he will be vilified as a dangerous extremest. The best thing the 9-9-9 plan has going for it is that it is easy to understand. The left will go postal over the fact under the The 9 percent income tax part of the plan, many of the 49.5 percent of all tax filers pay no income tax at all will have to pitch in. The exceptions are that taxpayers could claim a deduction for charitable contributions, and taxpayers could earn a tax credit for living in an "empowerment zone," (inner cities needing revitalization). I am not sure how I feel about this plan, I'm not sure how it would all add up, and then there is all the other taxes we pay, fuel taxes, property taxes and so on...
The 9 percent national sales tax will cause quite a stir as well, as again many who now pay no taxes would under this plan. National sales tax would raise the relative tax burden on low- and middle-income earning taxpayers. (Low- and middle-income households consume more of their income than high-income households do.)
The 9 percent corporate income tax is likely to cause much hand-wringing on the left for obvious reasons.
"Best rough estimates thus far are that the 9 percent personal income tax would generate around $1.1 trillion a year, the 9 percent national sales tax would generate around $380 billion. The 9 percent corporate income tax rate would generate $270 billion. In total, that's about $1.8 trillion. That number is about $360 billion less than what the government currently takes in -- about $2.16 trillion."
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Post by bobby1 on Oct 5, 2011 18:06:37 GMT -5
All the tax lawyers and accountants, corporate lobbiests currently churning the tax system would be out of work so they alone could raise a lot of problems to a simple tax code. Bob
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Post by Donnie's Rocky Treasures on Oct 5, 2011 18:12:40 GMT -5
I didn't like his comment about Perry & that ranch. Shows he's racist at heart, otherwise that comment would never have come out of his mouth!
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Post by texaswoodie on Oct 5, 2011 19:22:05 GMT -5
C'mon Donnie, you seem like a staunch conservative. The Liberals need the race card because they have nothing else. We don't need the race card.
Sigh, will the U.S. ever get over this race thing?
Curt
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 5, 2011 19:41:13 GMT -5
I don't think Cain is a racist, he responded prematurely before he knew the whole story which is not a good thing to do, but it happens...
What Cain said: “I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place,”
He said this before he found out that Perry's father painted over a rock with the camp's name soon after he began leasing the site in the early 1980s. The campaign says the Texas governor and his family never controlled, owned or managed the property. After he learned of this he told Shawn Hannity that “All I said was the mere fact that that word was there was ‘insensitive." That’s not playing the race card. I am not attacking Gov. Perry. Some people in the media want to attack him. I’m done with that issue."
Heck there is a mountain near Gardner, MT named Ni****head, great elk hunting... Back in the day that is how it was, We have changed for the better, can't blame Cain for a knee jerk response, and he probably did see it as a bit of a chance to whack Perry.
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Post by jakesrocks on Oct 5, 2011 19:45:47 GMT -5
As long as Cain doesn't start preaching about schooling illegal kids on the tax payers dime, or other crap like that, he has my vote.
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 5, 2011 21:03:10 GMT -5
Eh, I like Cain's economic views but want to hear more on his second amendment and foreign policy views myself. Romney and Christie are anti-gunners and I suspect Cain is too. Regarding the Perry sign on the rock thing. White spined cacti are often called "Niggerheads". Books have changed the name of some of these cactus to "cotten top cactus " now *L*. Lots of cactus in Texas and that might be the reason for the name. Name was removed so as not to be offensive in these cry baby times. What ever happened to sticks and stones etc.? Lots of naughty racist names all over the older maps many of which have been changed, some not. Just a remnant of them bad ole days. I can't remember my dad referring to another ethnic group by anything other than a racial slur and being a white looking kid from Oakland, California, I certainly heard the term whitey often enough and I lived through it. Things are just a lot more PC now and some folks take these things a lot more personal. Think Cain just overreacted because he's didn't know the whole story.....Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on Oct 5, 2011 21:40:40 GMT -5
I hear ya Mel. I once got censured on another site for mentioning the Coon Hollow camp ground in California. That's the way the camp ground is listed on state and BLM maps, but the site considered the word "Coon" to be a racial slur. So I changed it to C O O N Hollow. By putting a space between each letter, I escaped their robo censure. Don
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Post by texaswoodie on Oct 6, 2011 4:55:45 GMT -5
Perry is a globalist. He tried to get a TransAmerica highway built for years on end with the people of Texas saying No the whole time. He wants open borders from Mexico to Canada. He has given illegal aliens state tuition rights for our universities. Anyone that gives breaks to law breaking illegals while making natural born citizens pay the full amount is a jerk in my opinion. He is in bed with lobbyist and in whole, just another durn politician. Having said this, I probably would vote for him over Romney.
I don't know Cain's outlook on guns but will be very interested to hear what he has to say. As far as foreign policy..........Can he possibly do any worse than what we have now?
Curt
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 6, 2011 5:18:37 GMT -5
Romney is "Obama Light" Dubya and mostly congress started this ship sinking, Obama put the bilge pumps in reverse to sink us even faster, and I believe Romney would finish us off. Electable, probably. Survivable, probably not.
Lee
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 6, 2011 8:51:44 GMT -5
Yeah, can't say I've seen anybody I'm really comfortable with yet. That being said, I'm an "anybody but that dang Obama again" guy....Mel
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Post by WyckedWyre on Oct 6, 2011 9:23:57 GMT -5
Gary Johnson would be my choice. I will not vote for Perry or Romney. I like Cain, and would like to see a non Politico in office...as long as he doesn't choose Sarah Palin as his running mate.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 6, 2011 14:10:51 GMT -5
Wow, I think I would vote for Johnson too. I'm especially impressed that a NM resident would vote for their governor. I bet the ranks of Texans for Perry and Mass for Romney are pretty thin.
Palin- I wonder how much of the flaky/weird is her and how much of it is a media creation. At any rate I'm glad she's not running.
"Anybody but Obama"- I think it would be better in the long term if he is re-elected over Romney. If Romney becomes POTUS expect a health care bill even worse than the one we have now.
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 6, 2011 15:49:03 GMT -5
Not a defense of Romney, he is my least favorite of the top contenders. However I disagree that he would initiate a health care plan worse than Obamacare. He would have to be insane to even try it after the reaction of the people over both of their plans. IMO, Obama has done more damage to this country than a fox guarding a hen house.
As for Palin, what she has suffered is mostly bigotry stemming from the media bashing and double standards. I am glad she is not running, once a person has been "Dan Quailed" they are reduced to joke fodder for the self-righteous. I like her, but don't feel she is qualified at this time, same with Barbara (err... Michelle :blush: ) Bachman.
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Post by jakesrocks on Oct 6, 2011 15:53:27 GMT -5
Lets call back Ross Perot to run again.
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 6, 2011 15:56:03 GMT -5
Lets call back Ross Perot to run again. I would pick him to head The Fed, he would shake 'em up.
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Post by parfive on Oct 6, 2011 16:24:51 GMT -5
Gray - Only one el in Barbara, and two enns.
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