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Post by brent on Oct 30, 2011 19:01:56 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 30, 2011 19:11:19 GMT -5
This is somewhat tied to the new Food Safety Act. Truck farmers are going to be out of business, and if they push it to the limit of the regs, one day it will be against the law to grow your own garden. I have also heard about people getting fined for having too many people over for dinner parties, Bible studies, ect. When you live in the palm of a nanny State, beware the thumb.
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Post by Toad on Oct 30, 2011 19:15:52 GMT -5
That is insane. And I thought the Bush administration were the Nazis...
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 30, 2011 19:57:21 GMT -5
Wow that is truly ridiculous and just another example of over the top big brother government....Mel
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Post by brent on Oct 30, 2011 20:13:59 GMT -5
Looks like the world is being sold off to the corporate sector. People can occupy whatever they want, but the redistribution of wealth isn't going to matter if the only food you are allowed to eat is owned by the multinationals.
Maybe if the "occupy" people would occupy the parking lots of the Monsantos and mega-pharmas, we could really find out who owns the U.S.
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Post by snuffy on Oct 30, 2011 20:29:54 GMT -5
I guess I'll have to camouflage my tomatoes and greens like the pot growers do.
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Post by catmandewe on Oct 30, 2011 21:03:24 GMT -5
The first time she mentioned calling the cops I would have went and called them myself. I'll bet it would have turned around immediately and they wouldn't have had to throw any of the food out. (Make sure you offer to feed the cops too)
Our govt is getting too big for it's britches and our britches.
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Post by chassroc on Oct 31, 2011 7:58:20 GMT -5
States Rights at its finest
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Post by krazydiamond on Oct 31, 2011 14:58:10 GMT -5
quite the amazing story. and while that was an outstanding example of overly pompous government intrusion, i am a firm believer in certain health and safety factors when it comes to "public" food events. these days, it seems, you can't be too clean or fastidious in food preparation. too many stories about bacteria getting into the food and killing people. Perhaps the government should concentrate on the larger producers and have different levels of regulation for small organic suppliers.
hard to call.
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Post by brent on Nov 1, 2011 8:57:27 GMT -5
What gets me is that the cleaner we get, the more pathogens there are. A non organic food giant has an outbreak of ecoli and they go after organic food and call it a bio-hazard. It's not only public events that are under attack, according to the food safety modernization act you could be in trouble for feeding your garden grown produce to friends and family at Xmas. Some people think all rules need to be followed no matter what, then one day they are face down in the dirt with a gun pointed at the back of their head.
There was talk a few years ago that it was going to be illegal to collect rain water that came off the roof of the house. What's next?
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Post by brent on Nov 1, 2011 11:18:22 GMT -5
I have been told from people on forums and in person that rules are there for a reason and that they should be followed. I'm sure there were those same types of people in Germany durring WW II. A judge in Wisconsin gave the following ruling: "Do not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow or a dairy herd;" "Do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow;" "Do not have a fundamental right to board their cow at the farm of a farmer;" "Do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume the foods of their choice;" and "Cannot enter into private contracts outside the scope of the States police power." This judge now works for a firm that defends Monsanto. Always look at where the motavations for the rules comes from.
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Post by peachfront on Nov 7, 2011 16:49:27 GMT -5
I just now read that link. The lady seems a bit dishonest. These were not her "guests," they were paying customers. Everybody else, at least in my state, is required to have $1 million in insurance coverage to provide catering services to feed people FOR PAY. Why is this lady special, and the laws that apply to you and me don't apply to her? If she was truly having a dinner party for guests, it's a completely different situation. But she was providing food FOR PAY and calling them "guests" to gain your sympathy if you don't read carefully. She was attempting to set up a commercial business, yet not pay the same fees and licenses you and I would pay. That means that you and I, as honest people, wouldn't be able to compete on a level ground. You can't beat a cheat, except by shutting down the profit that comes from cheating. If she wants to farm and cook FOR PAY, she needs to pay the same fees, licenses, etc. that everybody else does. Pretty simple really...There's no way she set up a catering business complete with a huge dinner party with all these paying guests, and she had no clue that she was supposed to have the right insurance, inspections, licenses, etc. to sell food. Nobody's that stupid. She just thought she's too special to have to follow the rules and that she could get away with it. Instead, she got caught, and now she wants to cry some crocodile tears.
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Post by Toad on Nov 7, 2011 21:54:22 GMT -5
Good point, Mary. I didn't consider that this wasn't just a party for friends...
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Post by textiger on Nov 9, 2011 1:05:26 GMT -5
While it seems odd that some accommodations couldn't be made, it is clear this was not a dinner among friends. This was a $75-a-ticket event. The fact they were called two days before the dinner and told they needed to have the appropriate permits and had some of the food prepared in a certified kitchen in Las Vegas also makes it clear they knew they were aware of the law. I think this is damage control for future events.
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Post by brent on Nov 9, 2011 9:13:21 GMT -5
It makes no sense to me that they couldn't feed the food to the pigs. I agree that the pay for meal part is probably what got them into trouble, but it wasn't like they were trying to sneak raw food into the mix. Everyone there was there because the food was raw. It also looked like the inspector was on a bit of a power trip.
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Post by grayfingers on Nov 9, 2011 9:39:46 GMT -5
Brent, I agree. as you stated, "Some people think all rules need to be followed no matter what, then one day they are face down in the dirt with a gun pointed at the back of their head."
Though it is true they were skirting the rules concerning paying guests, some of us actually dare to question the validity of so many rules. We live in a society that assumes all these regulations are needed for our safety and protection, I for one think it is B.S. It is a scam. No wonder we are in such debt creating jobs for all of these bureaucrats to boss us around "for our own protection". This is a good part of why the American Dream is dead, we have allowed the Nanny State to make it too difficult to start up a small business. Good grief, why should one have to be required to have $1 million in insurance coverage to provide catering services to feed people just because they pay for their meal? The best way to level the playing field is to get rid of all the unnecessary fees and licenses that chiefly exist to empower the rulemakers and insurance companies.
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Post by lparker on Nov 9, 2011 10:52:27 GMT -5
I'm familiar with that type of dinner. It is hosted by an organic farm or farms, cooked by a chef. It's mainly for customers of that farm or people that are interested in that farm's produce. Guests get a tour of the farm and a meal. I personally think that $75 is a rip-off - but I'm cheap. I could buy a months groceries for that amount. The point is - the people that paid the price know what they are getting. The government can keep it's dam*ed nose out of it.
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Post by Toad on Nov 9, 2011 11:04:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying the law is good (or bad). Just that she was being dishonest. I hate that.
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Post by brent on Nov 9, 2011 13:44:10 GMT -5
Liability insurance is very common now. As a contractor, I carried two million dollar liability insurance.
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