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Post by chassroc on Feb 1, 2012 13:33:34 GMT -5
Last week the WSJ published an Opinion piece with the title, “No Need to Panic About Global Warming.” online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel_1The article seems to make a lot of sense and I wondered if those of us who think that man is causing or at least might be a major contributor to global warming were being played by alarmists who jumped the gun on this trend and were making a mountain out of a molehill. I discussed it with a coworker who is a science addict and he looked at me like I was crazy; he emailed me back this article titled,"Panic Attack: Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal Finds 16 Scientists to Push Pollutocrat Agenda With Long-Debunked Climate Lies" thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/01/29/413961/panic-attack-murdoch-wall-street-journal-finds-16-scientists-long-debunked-climate-lies/?mobile=ncI guess I now feel like the WSJ and Ruport Mudoch are trying to play me for a sucker. Kind of like how those of us who opposed the Iraq War felt about the Bush administration when they declared "Mission accomplished" except it wasn't. Why were we making such a big deal about the war, it's over before you can blink an eye and why did we make such a big deal about it...back to this article... These stats make it very clear that global warming is progressing and the main fact presented in the WSJ article, "There has been no Global Warming since 1998" is clearly false. Each decade has been progressively warmer for several decades, if these stats are correct After Ruport Mudoch bought the WSJ, there was great fear that it would no longer be trusted as a right leaning but Independent media. The fears seemed to be dispelled as the WSJ has been mostly business as usual since his purchase of the paper. Yes, it leans a tad to the right but wouldn't we expect that out of the financial institutions in a capitalist society? They are usually not wackos without any reason.
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Post by texaswoodie on Feb 1, 2012 14:20:34 GMT -5
The article seems to make a lot of sense and I wondered if those of us who think that man is causing or at least might be a major contributor to global warming were being played by alarmists who jumped the gun on this trend and were making a mountain out of a molehill
Ya think? ;D
Curt
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Post by jakesrocks on Feb 1, 2012 14:30:51 GMT -5
More like a mountain of money out of a molehill of a problem.
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Post by sampson on Feb 1, 2012 15:48:40 GMT -5
Thank God for global warming. It was only about 10-15,000 years ago that where i am was covered in over a mile of ice and it has been warming up ever since.
The earth has gone through many, many different major climate changes and some of them were much more drastic and fast paced than our current rate of change. When looking back at documented change over many millennia i think it is foolish to point the finger at current warming being solely due to mans influence in the last hundred years. A century is less than a blink of an eye when thinking in geological terms.
Don't forget, it was only about 30-40 years ago that many scientists were freaking out about global cooling and were looking for tons of money to research and try to effect change. Follow the money.
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Post by chassroc on Feb 1, 2012 16:17:37 GMT -5
Tough crowd of warming skeptics out there Samson the scientists freaking out about global cooling are the same ones who insist there is no global warming ;D ;D and besides, I saw your age and I seriously doubt you remember what scientists were saying thirty years ago charlie
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 1, 2012 16:34:39 GMT -5
*L* Yep, some one sent me an article about scary ole global warming the other day. It explained how the ice caps were melting and coastal cities were going to flood etc. Scary stuff. The article was from 1922 *L*. When I was in college and taking my weather and climate courses all the professors were writing books about how we were going into an ice age in about 40 years or so ( which would be now). During the golden age of agriculture in Britain and Greenland, it was so much warmer you could grow grapes in both those places. Much warmer than now and guess what, no industrial revolution so no man made causation. The earth has changing climate trends that go on with or without mans influence and like Sampson says, if it gets too cold everybody starves. Those yahoos that claim they can predict this stuff need granny Clampett's weather beetle cause they don't know squat. Too hot and we can change cropping patterns and wear shorts and a t-shirt. Better warm than cold any day in my book cause I freaking hate that ugly white stuff, snow!.....Mel.
PS: Charlie, the Iraq war was pretty much over when Bush declared it so, if we'd just have walked away from it. Their country was demolished and their army shattered. It's rebuilding the crap we blow up and trying to rebuild government and infrastructure that's never over when you're dealing with uncivilized nations.
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Post by grayfingers on Feb 1, 2012 17:12:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the climate is changing, always has, always will. This graph of a larger timeline shows a lot of climate changes, I wonder who caused them? Bill
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Post by jakesrocks on Feb 1, 2012 17:57:01 GMT -5
Methane from dinosaur farts. Just ask Al Gore.
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 1, 2012 18:54:32 GMT -5
Shoot, Al Gore is an old dinosaur fart!.....Mel
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Post by grayfingers on Feb 2, 2012 18:40:07 GMT -5
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chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Feb 3, 2012 9:40:22 GMT -5
You're funny Bill charlie
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Post by Rockoonz on Feb 3, 2012 13:34:50 GMT -5
So it is caused by men after all.
I'm sure that somehow we're causing the increased solar activity too.
Lee
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Post by nuevomundo on Feb 3, 2012 16:27:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, climate change is not like faeries... it does not need you to believe in it to exist. Much like the theory of gravity, and the theory of evolution, it will affect your life regardless. Furthermore, the folks who are actually informed and entitled to opine on the subject (myself not included), are overwhelmingly of the opinion that climate change is driven by human activities: A survey study of several thousand leading scientists conducted by the University of Illinois found that 82% believe that human activity has been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. (how odd that petroleum geologists are the outliers, right? Must be coincidence and not financial interests that are skewing their views...) Below is a better graph than the misleading one shown earlier. It indicates that average global temperature is as hot as anytime in the past 1,350,000 years! I suppose it doesn't matter too much to many people. most of you will not have to live with the worst consequences... As if the national debt weren't enough, now they have to go ahead and burn 250,000,000 years of stored carbon, and leave the next generation to come up with solutions to address both our energy security and our rapidly changing climate.
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 3, 2012 17:14:53 GMT -5
OK, so I guess you're going to ignore all the peak highs before the industrial revolution and the associated increase in carbon emissions and you'd rather it be cold than warm? And if you discount past temperature highs and believe the Goreistas, and you'd rather it be cold you'd sure better talk to all the developing nations because they could give a dang about carbon emissions. The Chinese are now wanting a car for every household and cheap energy. Been hearing this same old song and dance in various forms ( Ooh it's gonna get cold, ooh it's gonna get hot!) Of course it is gonna get hot or cold eventually as it's cyclical....Duh! And whichever you believe, in the big scheme of things I don't believe anything we do will have any real effect except to create hardships by helping to create high energy costs for those who live in countries where the ruling class buys into these BS theories. I totally believe in global warming and global cooling due to things like increased or decreased solar activity, cooling due to volcanic activity etc. Mars is supposed to be warming at the same rate the earth is. Guess we've just proved there's technilogical life on Mars. Dang Martian carbon footprint anyway. I do believe man's emissions may have some effect but I believe the effect is minimal and beneficial when it helps prevent global cooling cause I don't like the cold *L* Again, maybe if it warms a little the Greenlanders and British can start growing wine grapes again like they did 1200 years ago when by some miracle, it was hotter than now .... without man's carbon footprints *L*..Mel
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Post by texaswoodie on Feb 3, 2012 17:24:29 GMT -5
how odd that petroleum geologists are the outliers, right? Must be coincidence and not financial interests that are skewing their views...)
Like Gore and all those big time "scientist" aren't making multi-millions off this climate change BS.
Curt
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Post by grayfingers on Feb 3, 2012 18:04:47 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Feb 3, 2012 18:19:15 GMT -5
Where's 2000 & 2010 ? We wanna see them too.
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Post by nuevomundo on Feb 3, 2012 18:21:48 GMT -5
Of course it is cyclical, but many of the major vacillations in climate are actually predictable effects of quirks of the earths rotation and orbit (see Milankovich cycles). The changes we are currently experiencing are not part of this. According to our orbital cycle we are actually due for a cooling (glacial) period any (geologic) moment now.
It is a complex series of changes in climate, not a simple matter of hotter or colder. Heat and cold have consequences in terms of precipitation, flooding, desertification, storm fronts, etc. I am not an alarmist by any means, but water is going to be a huge issue in the western states in my lifetime.
And I guess you are right, Curt, Al Gore and his academic cronies, with their tenure and high five-figure salaries, are trying to steamroll those poor ol' mom 'n' pop Petrol Shoppes that can just barely make a buck (or four!) off today's gas prices. </sarcasm>
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Post by MrP on Feb 3, 2012 20:49:44 GMT -5
Last I heard there has been a little ice on this earth a time or two.I think the only way to have ice and have it stay for awhile is for it to get cold and stay cold. Take a guess what it takes for it to melt. I wonder what the Humans did to cause it to melt back then?............MrP
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Post by texaswoodie on Feb 4, 2012 8:42:01 GMT -5
And I guess you are right, Curt, Al Gore and his academic cronies, with their tenure and high five-figure salaries, are trying to steamroll those poor ol' mom 'n' pop Petrol Shoppes that can just barely make a buck (or four!) off today's gas prices. </sarcasm>
They aren't trying to steamroll Mom and Pop, they are trying to steamroll the public in general.
Gore already had businesses set up to sell carbon credits when Obama's Cap and Trade bill passed. Unfortunately for Gore and fortunately for us there was a rare occurrence in Congress. Reason prevailed. Now there is one for the record books.
Curt
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