Don
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Sept 4, 2012 11:17:42 GMT -5
Post by Don on Sept 4, 2012 11:17:42 GMT -5
ROMNEY has given more to CHARITY? Say what? Bill Gates gave 38 BILLION to charity and asks to be taxed more. Romney's charity amounts to 10% tithing to his non-christian faith, while he cheated so badly on his income tax that he CANNOT release more than the last 2 years (as he got ready for his Presidential run). WHAT charity are you referring to? LOL! Seriously? Please tell me how Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) are not a Christian Faith. This more than anything else you've ever said makes clear just how twisted your views are.
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Sept 4, 2012 11:56:31 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 11:56:31 GMT -5
Please tell me how Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) are not a Christian Faith. This more than anything else you've ever said makes clear just how twisted your views are. I guess you don't know what Mormonism is. According to these Christians (and they list the differences). carm.org/is-mormonism-christianFor one thing, a KEY tenet of Christianity (or all Judeo-Christian religions including Judaism and Islam) is that There is ONE GOD. Exerpt: Mormon theology teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second (though this is disputed among Mormons) was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has been God eternally (Psalm 90:2) -- which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses - there is a mother goddess in Mormonism), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected. The Bible tells us that Jesus - The Jesus of Mormonism - is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.
That's the beginning of the differences. Google "Planet Kolub", according to Mormonism, that's the planet God lives on with his fellow Gods. Here's from the Catholic answers forum (which give you a number of links for articles written by the clergy): forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=39238Exerpt: Father Luis Ladaria, S.J. says in summary: “The Baptism of the Catholic Church and that of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ essentially, both for what concerns faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in whose name Baptism is conferred, and for what concerns the relationship to Christ who instituted it. As a result of all this, it is understood that the Catholic Church has to consider invalid, that is to say, cannot consider true Baptism, the rite given that name by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints." For the full explanation please go here: www.ewtn.com/library/Theology/MORMBAP1.HTMWould Mormons fit into the Protestant category or are they a separate religion altogether?
“While the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups.” www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0107qq.asp
Is Mormonism a path to eternal salvation?
CCC 1260: "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
Further reading:
Articles on Mormonism
www.catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp
Need more?
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Sept 4, 2012 11:57:39 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 11:57:39 GMT -5
*I* am twisted for telling you what Catholics and Protestants say on their websites? Here's another exerpt from a different section: archive.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0107qq.aspQ: What does the Catholic Church say about the practices and beliefs of Mormonism?
A: While individual Mormons may be persons of good conscience, Mormonism itself is a belief system that would reduce the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit from being the three Persons of the one, true, and infinite God to being three limited, finite deities among an uncounted multitude of deities, all of whom merely reshaped small parts of a preexisting cosmos.
Mormonism teaches that human beings may, by practicing the tenets of its faith, become gods and goddesses themselves, with their own planets full of people worshiping them.
While the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is b.asphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups. Further, no Christians believe they must wear 'Celestial Underwear' as Mormons must. Here's a Protestant response: www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/mormonism.html'Is the Mormon church a Christian denomination?' NO. Mormonism is not Christian because it denies some of the essential doctrines of Christianity, including: 1) the deity of Christ, 2) salvation by grace, and 3) the bodily resurrection of Christ. Furthermore, Mormon doctrine contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible. The evidence for these statements is documented in section 3 below. 'Are Mormons Christians?' LIKELY NOT, if they believe the major doctrines of their church. 'Can a Mormon be a Christian?'. POSSIBLY. Only God knows what each person believes (and why) regarding His Son, Jesus Christ. But as a person stays in the Mormon church, absorbs and accepts Mormon teaching, doctrine and 'latter-day revelation', the chances of answering the question in the affirmative approach zero. The key question Mormons must answer is 'WHO is the Jesus they believe in'? In the New Testament book of 2 Corinthians, the apostle Paul warns of "another Jesus whom we have not preached... a different spirit which you have not received... a different gospel which you have not accepted" (2 Cor. 11:4).
In the New Testament book of Galatians, Paul again warns: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" (Gal. 1:8).
Ironically, this latter warning is a nearly exact description of how the Mormon church was founded: Click the link and read the rest yourself.
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Sept 4, 2012 12:09:06 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 12:09:06 GMT -5
So to answer your question about 'charity'... a 10% tithe to his non-Christian church to convert Christians to paganism is not mine or anyone else's idea of 'charity.
I guess the mormon polygamy was not clue enough.
And let me note that both Islam and Judaism both believe in 1 God, not a God living on a planet with lots of other Gods.
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Don
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Sept 4, 2012 12:41:00 GMT -5
Post by Don on Sept 4, 2012 12:41:00 GMT -5
Please tell me how Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) are not a Christian Faith. This more than anything else you've ever said makes clear just how twisted your views are. I guess you don't know what Mormonism is. According to these Christians (and they list the differences). carm.org/is-mormonism-christianFor one thing, a KEY tenet of Christianity (or all Judeo-Christian religions including Judaism and Islam) is that There is ONE GOD. Exerpt: Mormon theology teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second (though this is disputed among Mormons) was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has been God eternally (Psalm 90:2) -- which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses - there is a mother goddess in Mormonism), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected. The Bible tells us that Jesus - The Jesus of Mormonism - is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.
This is typical anti-mormon slander. You will not find this theology in the standard works for the Mormon That's the beginning of the differences. Google "Planet Kolub", according to Mormonism, that's the planet God lives on with his fellow Gods. Here's from the Catholic answers forum (which give you a number of links for articles written by the clergy): forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=39238Exerpt: Father Luis Ladaria, S.J. says in summary: “The Baptism of the Catholic Church and that of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ essentially, both for what concerns faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in whose name Baptism is conferred, and for what concerns the relationship to Christ who instituted it. As a result of all this, it is understood that the Catholic Church has to consider invalid, that is to say, cannot consider true Baptism, the rite given that name by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints." For the full explanation please go here: www.ewtn.com/library/Theology/MORMBAP1.HTMWould Mormons fit into the Protestant category or are they a separate religion altogether?
“While the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups.” www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0107qq.asp
Is Mormonism a path to eternal salvation?
CCC 1260: "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
Further reading:
Articles on Mormonism
www.catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp
Need more? Helen, I have been a Practicing Mormon for 34 years. Who are you to tell me what I believe?
I pray to God the Father in the name of His only begotten son Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I believe that Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. From Google: christianity/ˌkrisCHēˈanitē/ 1. The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices. 2. Christian quality or character: "his Christianity sustained him". Just because you can do a quick google search and pull up a bunch of ani-mormon literature from sources which clearly have an agenda against my religion, does not mean you know anything about my faith.
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Sept 4, 2012 13:28:16 GMT -5
Post by Original Admin on Sept 4, 2012 13:28:16 GMT -5
Oh No - not the Religion thing - thats far too complicated.
Obama is cool - weve established that I think.
What do Brits think? LOL - Many of us over here dont even know the name of the Leader of the Opposition in our own country - never mind the politics in another one.
This is why I stand by my opening statement of the fact my knowledge is fairly minimal.
I have to have an acceptance that having not lived in the US - I dont know enough to say who is the right choice for you guys. I couldnt present an argument in favour of either without the facts.
Im going to try and glean more out of the campaigning though which they are showing over here on our "Parliament Channel!!!!!" lol.
I find it fascinating.
Hey lets not row though about things....
Cheers Mark
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Sept 4, 2012 13:31:04 GMT -5
Post by Original Admin on Sept 4, 2012 13:31:04 GMT -5
(From Helens Post) Sanders is a humanitarian humanist. Socialists abolish labor unions, because they do not want people having collective bargaining powers AT ALL. This is what a socialist does: Reminds me of Thatcher in the 80's aswell. They are all con artists - I reckon - its just a case of voting the one whos going to con us the least!!!
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Sept 4, 2012 14:10:50 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 14:10:50 GMT -5
I guess you don't know what Mormonism is. According to these Christians (and they list the differences). carm.org/is-mormonism-christianFor one thing, a KEY tenet of Christianity (or all Judeo-Christian religions including Judaism and Islam) is that There is ONE GOD. Exerpt: Mormon theology teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second (though this is disputed among Mormons) was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has been God eternally (Psalm 90:2) -- which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses - there is a mother goddess in Mormonism), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected. The Bible tells us that Jesus - The Jesus of Mormonism - is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.
This is typical anti-mormon slander. You will not find this theology in the standard works for the Mormon That's the beginning of the differences. Google "Planet Kolub", according to Mormonism, that's the planet God lives on with his fellow Gods. Here's from the Catholic answers forum (which give you a number of links for articles written by the clergy): forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=39238Exerpt: Father Luis Ladaria, S.J. says in summary: “The Baptism of the Catholic Church and that of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ essentially, both for what concerns faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in whose name Baptism is conferred, and for what concerns the relationship to Christ who instituted it. As a result of all this, it is understood that the Catholic Church has to consider invalid, that is to say, cannot consider true Baptism, the rite given that name by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints." For the full explanation please go here: www.ewtn.com/library/Theology/MORMBAP1.HTMWould Mormons fit into the Protestant category or are they a separate religion altogether?
“While the Catholic Church would reject nothing that is true or good in Mormonism or any other world religion, Catholic theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups.” www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0107qq.asp
Is Mormonism a path to eternal salvation?
CCC 1260: "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
Further reading:
Articles on Mormonism
www.catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp
Need more? Helen, I have been a Practicing Mormon for 34 years. Who are you to tell me what I believe?
I pray to God the Father in the name of His only begotten son Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I believe that Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. From Google: christianity/ˌkrisCHēˈanitē/ 1. The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices. 2. Christian quality or character: "his Christianity sustained him". Just because you can do a quick google search and pull up a bunch of ani-mormon literature from sources which clearly have an agenda against my religion, does not mean you know anything about my faith. Don, no one of another faith can 'know' a faith, other than what they read or hear. These are Protestant and Catholic sites I quoted and linked, and the quotes are from clergy or theological scholars, of which I am not. I didn't make them up, you can check for yourself. Unless you are calling Christians 'twisted' for these views of mormonism, I'm simply the messenger, so getting mad at me for words written by others seems irrational. Those words exist, and they say what they say about mormonism. I visited the Mormon temple at DC years ago, where they have incredible dioramas of the Joseph Smith story. One of the most impressive churches I've seen actually, those tithes did not go to waste in creating eye-popping grandeur simply and elegantly. But it doesn't change the fact that the central tenet of Christianity is that there is ONE God, and no other God, AND that God is DIVINE and not 'flesh and blood' except for Jesus Christ. Is this not Mormon scripture? It comes direct from the Mormon site, and I would think you would recognize the site of your own church, so yes or no?: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/130.22?lang=eng#21This from LDJ "Doctrines and Covenants" Section 130: 22 The aFather has a bbody of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of cSpirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not ddwell in us. Other Gods: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_MormonismBeing nontrinitarian, the teachings of the LDS Church differ from other Christian churches' theologies as established, for example, in the First Council of Constantinople. Mormon cosmology teaches the existence of other "gods" such as is exhibited in the concept of the Godhead being three, separate, distinct beings. From the same wiki above: In 1835, Joseph Smith, Jr. (with the involvement of Sidney Rigdon), publicly taught the idea that Jesus Christ and God the Father were two separate beings. In 1843, Smith provided his final public description of the Godhead before his death, in which he described God the Father as having a physical body, and the Holy Spirit, also, as a distinct personage: "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us."[5]
During this period, Smith also introduced a theology that could support the existence of a Heavenly Mother. The primary source for this theology is the sermon he delivered at the funeral of King Follett (commonly called the King Follett Discourse). The LDS Church believes that a Heavenly Mother exists,[6][7][8] but very little is acknowledged or known beyond Her existence. Either Joesph Smith, the founder of the LDS, was mistaken or there are multiple Gods. As a Mormon, could you explain which is correct?
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Sept 4, 2012 14:15:33 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 14:15:33 GMT -5
Oh No - not the Religion thing - thats far too complicated. Obama is cool - weve established that I think. What do Brits think? LOL - Many of us over here dont even know the name of the Leader of the Opposition in our own country - never mind the politics in another one. This is why I stand by my opening statement of the fact my knowledge is fairly minimal. I have to have an acceptance that having not lived in the US - I dont know enough to say who is the right choice for you guys. I couldnt present an argument in favour of either without the facts. Im going to try and glean more out of the campaigning though which they are showing over here on our "Parliament Channel!!!!!" lol. I find it fascinating. Hey lets not row though about things.... Cheers Mark Hullo Mark:). I was asking you what Brits thought of Romney after his visit for the Olympics, not US politics or Obama:). So did Romney make a great impression on the US's staunchest ally, who went to war with Bush and bled for us? Would you send your children to die for Romney because he's such a jolly chap? As for religion... well, I didn't bring it up... and I was called 'twisted' for having read the Catholic forums and official site, as well as Protestant sites and repeating THEIR positions on the Mormon church. So I cited them. I'm not fixed in my beliefs. If someone tells me they have something, my disbelief lasts as long as it takes for them to show me. If they can prove it, my beliefs change. It's that simple, because I'm a simple person. I was Republican, but intense fact-checking changed my mind. Now I'm Democrat. There's no soul-searching involved... just the facts and the evidence.
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Don
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Sept 4, 2012 14:42:56 GMT -5
Post by Don on Sept 4, 2012 14:42:56 GMT -5
Helen, I have been a Practicing Mormon for 34 years. Who are you to tell me what I believe?
I pray to God the Father in the name of His only begotten son Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I believe that Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. From Google: christianity/ˌkrisCHēˈanitē/ 1. The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices. 2. Christian quality or character: "his Christianity sustained him". Just because you can do a quick google search and pull up a bunch of ani-mormon literature from sources which clearly have an agenda against my religion, does not mean you know anything about my faith. Don, no one of another faith can 'know' a faith, other than what they read or hear. These are Protestant and Catholic sites I quoted and linked, and the quotes are from clergy or theological scholars, of which I am not. I didn't make them up, you can check for yourself. Unless you are calling Christians 'twisted' for these views of mormonism, I'm simply the messenger, so getting mad at me for words written by others seems irrational. Those words exist, and they say what they say about mormonism. I visited the Mormon temple at DC years ago, where they have incredible dioramas of the Joseph Smith story. One of the most impressive churches I've seen actually, those tithes did not go to waste in creating eye-popping grandeur simply and elegantly. But it doesn't change the fact that the central tenet of Christianity is that there is ONE God, and no other God, AND that God is DIVINE and not 'flesh and blood' except for Jesus Christ. Is this not Mormon scripture? It comes direct from the Mormon site, and I would think you would recognize the site of your own church, so yes or no?: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/130.22?lang=eng#21This from LDJ "Doctrines and Covenants" Section 130: 22 The aFather has a bbody of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of cSpirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not ddwell in us. Other Gods: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_MormonismBeing nontrinitarian, the teachings of the LDS Church differ from other Christian churches' theologies as established, for example, in the First Council of Constantinople. Mormon cosmology teaches the existence of other "gods" such as is exhibited in the concept of the Godhead being three, separate, distinct beings. From the same wiki above: In 1835, Joseph Smith, Jr. (with the involvement of Sidney Rigdon), publicly taught the idea that Jesus Christ and God the Father were two separate beings. In 1843, Smith provided his final public description of the Godhead before his death, in which he described God the Father as having a physical body, and the Holy Spirit, also, as a distinct personage: "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us."[5]
During this period, Smith also introduced a theology that could support the existence of a Heavenly Mother. The primary source for this theology is the sermon he delivered at the funeral of King Follett (commonly called the King Follett Discourse). The LDS Church believes that a Heavenly Mother exists,[6][7][8] but very little is acknowledged or known beyond Her existence. Either Joesph Smith, the founder of the LDS, was mistaken or there are multiple Gods. As a Mormon, could you explain which is correct? Helen, Mormons profess to be Christian. The official position of the LDS church is that we are Christian. If you where to ask any mormon, they would profess to be Christian. Christianity is defined by belief in Jesus Christ. Mormons believe in Jesus Christ. Why is this so difficult? Some people want to restrict the term "Christian" to just their specific "brand" of God and Jesus Christ, but if we allowed that, who's version would we pick? Protestants? Catholics? Jehova Witnesses? So, Mormons have some different ideas on the details of exactly who God is. What does it matter? I still pray to God in the name of Jesus Christ, and have all my hope for life and salvation centered in my belief of the Divinity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement for Mankind. So what about that doesn't make me a Christian? This is like saying that because I believe in being fiscally conservative, reducing the size of the government, and balancing the budget, I'm a conservative, and not a republican. Nonsense! I'm a conservative and a republican, just as I am Mormon and Christian.
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Sept 4, 2012 15:21:38 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 15:21:38 GMT -5
Don, no one is criticizing your belief.
This came about because someone said that Mitt Romney donated to charity, and I pointed out that 'tithes' to your church are not considered 'charity'. It makes no difference if you tithe to the Mormon Church, the Catholic Church or the Scientology Church, it's a tithe, and tithes generally go for supporting the costs of the Church, producing proselytizing materials to convert others, and puchasing non-taxed properties, or helping to pay for church activities, such as bible studies, etc. This is not 'charity'.
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Sept 4, 2012 16:22:25 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 4, 2012 16:22:25 GMT -5
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Sept 4, 2012 17:50:03 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 4, 2012 17:50:03 GMT -5
Dang Helen, while not religious myself, I'm a strong believer I religious freedom. While raised in a southern Baptist family, most of my best buddies in high school were Mormons and I found them to be intelligent, charitable and in general some of the nicest kids at my school. They were always the first to volunteer for everything including the military. Many went in before or after college. They did try to spread the faith, as all religions generally do, but their church also took very good care of many poor folks inside and outside their church. Their beliefs were different from those my family valued but lets face it , worldwide there are many religions, each is only as strong as it's number of believers, and each has it's own origins and mythology. I don't see any one as being superior to another but think anyone should be able to have his beliefs or not have any at all and even spread them as long as they do not resort to violence.
Helen: I know you are becoming very desperate as the election nears and your posting of offensive anti Romney posters has been pretty annoying and over the top. You'll notice I do not stoop to doing the same and believe me there are plenty of offensive anti Obama posters, especially here in Texas *L*. Your spreading anti Mormon religious bigotry to support your rabid anti Romney agenda though, is in my opinion, over the line as are many of your almost libelous comments about Romney's taxes which until your point is proven in a court of law, are just so much defamatory drivel. There are legal tax shelters you know, and no one has proven his are illegal. Hiding behind the statement that you are only repeating what others have said re the Mormon faith is not cool. And many churches tithe and most all get donations and most all do good with at least part of the money. I believe there is ample evidence to consider tithes charity....Mel
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Sept 4, 2012 18:06:45 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 4, 2012 18:06:45 GMT -5
So did Romney make a great impression on the US's staunchest ally, who went to war with Bush and bled for us? Would you send your children to die for Romney because he's such a jolly chap?
Actually Helen, The Olympic thing was just a cover story. The real story is that he mended ties with the UK. He secretly smuggled the bust of Churchill back to the US. You remember the one that Barry through out of the White House. You talk about Romney pissing in there cornflakes over security concerns!
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Sept 4, 2012 18:19:40 GMT -5
Post by fmelvis on Sept 4, 2012 18:19:40 GMT -5
I agree with mel. Its best to judge a man by his actions and not the religion he is born into as most of us are. As far as I have read, his actions while at Bain were legal but not very christian. If what he did doesn't bother you, and you think its just business and you think he's the type of man to run your country, vote for him.
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Sept 4, 2012 18:28:16 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 4, 2012 18:28:16 GMT -5
Which party in the USA wants to destroy labor Unions? The Dems? Who's Socialist in the USA? The Republicans, if you read the Hitler and Stalin models. Wealth for themselves and their cronies (today, they are corporate party members, back then, just wealthy individual Nazi supporters), low wages, hunger and crime and punishment for everyone else.I would not have a problem with unions. If they did what they are formed to do. PROTECT THE WORKERS, NOT DABBLE IN POLITIC'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They support the liberals up here to. And then wine and complain when the conservatives go after them. Its like calling a policeman a assh8le. And then getting pissed because he and his buddies stop you when ever they see you. UNIONS SHOULD BE NEUTRAL!!!!!! Here in Canada it is against the law for unions to donate to federal parties. But our unions thought they could pull a fast one and scaamed some donations. They got caught. But you would never have knew about it, if it was not for Sun media.(Canuck version of Fox) The left wing news never made a mention of it. Wander why? Turns out the journalist union was one of the offenders. www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/too-quick-to-report-left/1809160875001/page/2
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Sept 4, 2012 18:34:37 GMT -5
Post by helens on Sept 4, 2012 18:34:37 GMT -5
Mel, what the heck are you talking about? I want to take away someone's religious beliefs now? What?
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Sept 4, 2012 18:57:59 GMT -5
Post by texaswoodie on Sept 4, 2012 18:57:59 GMT -5
1. I know nothing of the Mormon Religion but I have known quiet a few Mormons and have never found a bad one in the bunch. Their morals and integrity is top notch.
2. Romney's religion is bad but Obama, who listened to a hateful racist for 20 years is not?
Curt
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Sept 4, 2012 19:24:07 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Sept 4, 2012 19:24:07 GMT -5
Aw, Mel, that’s so touching, you standin’ up for Romney an’ all in the face of this libelous, defamatory shitstorm. Good thing no one called him a goddamn commie Kenyan Muslim socialist or sumptin, eh? ;D
I don’t give a damn if every one of his schemes is legal – he’s still a conniving tax-dodging scumbag just like every other hedgie bankster with their contrived carried interest loophole. And it’s obvious that dodge is just the tip of the iceberg for Mittens.
Do me a favor though, would ya? Go back and delete that bit about the Simca. That shit just ain’t right, man. ;D
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Sept 4, 2012 19:24:13 GMT -5
Post by bushmanbilly on Sept 4, 2012 19:24:13 GMT -5
My lawyer is Mormon. Very nice guy and fare to. Never once complained about his billing.
Just to remind you who Rev. Wright is.
And this man will back up the above video.
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