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Post by chassroc on Dec 21, 2012 17:27:54 GMT -5
The NRA has an answer to Gun Violence at schools. More Guns!
What a shocker!
Lets get violent on the violence!
Why stop at schools...how about playgrounds and hs football games what about supermarkets, and churches and senior apartment complexes. Lets guard Main Street and our parks.
Lets bring back the old west and the glory days when we solved our problems like real men. Fastest six gun wins.
This is real life folks, not a movie. When you get shot dead, you don't come back to play a part in next weeks play.
charlie
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Post by Toad on Dec 21, 2012 19:48:51 GMT -5
The NRA has an answer to Gun Violence at schools. More Guns! What a shocker! Lets get violent on the violence! Why stop at schools...how about playgrounds and hs football games what about supermarkets, and churches and senior apartment complexes. Lets guard Main Street and our parks. Lets bring back the old west and the glory days when we solved our problems like real men. Fastest six gun wins. This is real life folks, not a movie. When you get shot dead, you don't come back to play a part in next weeks play. charlie Less guns sure didn't stop anything....
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 21, 2012 20:44:34 GMT -5
I had made a longer post about safest state but upon researching it, it proved true only in some instances and probably has more to do with population pressure in certain cities than guns anyway. That being said, with more guns in private hands that ever before and more CCWs than ever before. UPI says the US in 2012 is a safer place to live now than any time in the last 20 years.....Mel
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 22, 2012 1:30:22 GMT -5
Interesting take from someone who actually is qualified to speak on this.
COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!! Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript: "Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. "The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. "In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs, Your words are empty air. You've stripped away our heritage, You've outlawed simple prayer. Now gunshots fill our classrooms, And precious children die. You seek for answers everywhere, And ask the question "Why?" You regulate restrictive laws, Through legislative creed. And yet you fail to understand, That God is what we need! "Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.
To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!" - Darrell Scott
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Post by parfive on Dec 22, 2012 2:18:11 GMT -5
This oughta be right up Marcus Bachmann’s alley.
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Post by bobby1 on Dec 23, 2012 1:40:49 GMT -5
In the Columbine shooting there was an armed security person who discharged his weapon. He didn't hit the shooters, though. Bob
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 23, 2012 8:53:17 GMT -5
Yep I read about that too. Just shows that lots of rent a cops don't keep up their shooting skills if they had any in the first place. Some rent a cops have little or no experience with firearms at all. Very good job for ex cops or military guys returning home tough....Mel
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Post by brent on Dec 24, 2012 11:29:59 GMT -5
From my point of view, law abiding citizens in Canada are made to be criminals by restricting guns and in the U.S. the lack of gun restrictions makes law abiding citizens out of criminals.
I don't see any reason for owning an rapid fire high capacity assault rifle.
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Post by unclestu on Dec 24, 2012 13:52:01 GMT -5
There is a lot tobe lerned from Daryl Scott's words. Stu
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 24, 2012 14:08:09 GMT -5
Now Brent, your first comment strikes me as odd because following that reasoning, if they were to restrict guns here it would be no different from Canada and would again turn law abiding citizens into criminals through a change in the laws, just like you've complained about in Canada.
No reason to own a four hundred horsepower sports car or a 72 inch screen TV either except they are fun to play with. Assault rifles are the sports cars of guns, very fun to own and shoot. Plus they are good for home defense, fun to shoot in competitions and in many cases fine hunting weapons too. Besides, as I've said before, civilians should be able to use the same weapons for protection against criminals that the cops carry to supposedly protect the public and themselves from those same criminals with the possible exception for grenades and full on machine guns of course....Mel
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 24, 2012 14:11:43 GMT -5
Without a tax stamp, which is rare, no one in the US owns an assault rifle. In order to be an assault weapon a rifle must be capable of fully automatic fire. Only law enforcement, government, security and a few collectors, and of course, criminals and mexican drug cartels, have these. The constant reference to caliber.223" semi-auto rifles as "high powered" would be laughable if not in the context of disarming citizens. In my state they are considered too small caliber for hunting anything, and are only used for small varmints. The real question IMO is this... Is our gonernment so benevolent and harmless that the amendment meant to protect us from a tyrannical leader is no longer needed?
Lee
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Post by brent on Dec 24, 2012 14:38:52 GMT -5
Mel, my point is that if someone here is stopped and a hand gun is found, they are breaking the law. If someone in the states is seen with a side arm, you don't know if they intend to defend themselves or intend to kill someone. When I was in highschool it was common to see rifles hanging in the back window of a truck and most country kids carried lock blade knives. Thing have changed and you don't see that anymore.
You have an excelent point about the 400 hp car. It is fun to drive up to the speed limit and then it becomes illegal(been there). And when you have that horse power there is a greater chance you will use it(and most do).
Then there was a post on another site "WE NEED TO DISARM LAW ENFORCEMENT! there is NO REASON for them to have MILITARY armor and weapons! A cop with a REVOLVER is a "peace keeper" a cop with body armor and a AR-15 is an OPPRESSOR
So the average person can carry and its excersizing your rights, but when law enforcement does it it's oppression.
As for the large screen TV, it comes down to wants and needs. If you feel the need to defend yourself, you need a gun, but you want an assult rifle. It's the difference between killing someone and REALLY killing someone.
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 24, 2012 16:09:42 GMT -5
Brent: Wow, sorry you Canadians are so paranoid. If I'm out in the boonies I don't think everyone carrying a pistol in the open is out to kill me. I never even give it a second thought. The guy who's out to kill you will probably not be carrying open. That being said, I carry concealed and am not out to get anyone so there are simply good folks and bad folks. A gun is an inanimate object until used by a human being.
Interesting comment about knives too. Here in Texas, you can carry a knife concealed or other wise as long as it doesn't have a blade over 5 1/2 inches. Everyone I know usually has a big assisted open lockback in their pockets and in four years, I've never seen a knife fight. I was in Prince Rupert waiting for a ferry and saw two knife fights with whopping big bowies in like four hours. Canadians must be a hot headed bunch. Oddly enough, in Texas, the state famous for the bowie knife, the bowie knife is illegal for carry due to the over 5 1/2" blade length.
I've never seen that opinion about wanting to disarm law enforcement. I think they should be able to carry whatever is reasonable to help them survive a difficult job and try to protect the public. I also believe that since the average citizen does not have a cop to carry around to protect them, that they should have the same tools that cops use for that purpose. Seems obvious to me.
Man, I feel for you. I cannot even imagine being without a handgun, especially when out in the boonies. Really pissed me off when I drove to Alaska and the Canadians sealed my pistol in a bag while I was passing through. Pissed me off even more when they counted my ammo and confiscated my overage. And then the boogers counted the money in my wallet I guess to make sure I had enough every restaurant in NW Canada could rip me off for overpriced food which was also served by some of the surliest and fugliest waitresses I've ever laid eyes on. No offense intended Brent, but truth, damn, they was not a good lookin bunch. *L* One place we ate along the ALCAN highway, I swore we had Sasquatch waiting on our table.
" Killing and really killing" Interesting, so you can make someone "more dead" with more bullets? *L* Dead is dead dude, whether from a single shot from a .22 rifle or from ten shots from .308 semi auto. Less maybe you're in a zombie movie. A lot of folks in the US and elsewhere are killed from single shots or a couple from small caliber, small ammo capacity guns and of course small capacity shotguns are something I'd a lot less like to come up against than a high capacity pistol
Lee,
I got a look at the proposed list of what the anti gunners are calling assault rifles and it's pretty much half the firearms most of us own. It's as much about ammo capacity and features as it is actual gun name. The proposed list included most all shotguns, all semi auto rifles except .22s. every pistol with over a 10 round capacity ( which is like half those made these days) and most all large caliber bolt actions that don't have a small cap fixed box magazine. There is also talk about "snipers rifles" which includes basically, every scoped hunting rifle in use. The assault rifle definition they use, if similar to that in Clinton's gun ban, will really include a lot of guns and turn a lot of folks who purchased these guns legally into potential law breakers....Mel
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Post by brent on Dec 24, 2012 16:24:39 GMT -5
The killing or really rilling is that you don't need high power assult riffles to defend yourself. you can kill someone with a single shot .22.
I can't imagine being somewhere where everyone is armed. I live in the boonies and don't feel the need to be armed.
Good to know our boarder servises makes sure that everyone coming inot Canada follows our laws.
Guns just aren't a part of the Canadian culture like they are in the U.S. I can see the gun situation escallating into a civil war. I am on several different boards and see it trending in that direction.
There is no easy answer, all you can do is hope your one of the ones left standing after the dust clears.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 24, 2012 16:35:19 GMT -5
Mel, I haven't looked at the list, but since the plan is to icrementally take away all firearms they will surely include stuff from all categories and settle for less in the first round. Notice how the news is now sensationalizing every shooting they can find?
Lee
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 24, 2012 16:38:13 GMT -5
Again, the important thing to think about... Is our government so benevolent and harmless that the amendment meant to protect us from a tyrannical leader is no longer needed?
Lee
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Post by brent on Dec 24, 2012 16:59:34 GMT -5
Let's look at it this way. If the goverment becomes tyrannical, are there enough trained private citizens to fight the U.S. military and police forces?
Does the intent of the second amendment from 1791 still apply in the same way as it does now?
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Post by fmelvis on Dec 24, 2012 17:21:31 GMT -5
I disagree mel about assault rifles. I fired an M16 and I thought it was pretty boring. Now, a .44 magnum is FUN. Of course, the person who took me to the range would only allow me to load one bullet into the .44 at a time. But man seeing that 4 foot flame shoot out of the muzzle and wooooo it sounded like a cannon.
Oh, by the way, guns are bad m'kay.
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Post by sandsman1 on Dec 24, 2012 17:28:49 GMT -5
i don't get it who is changing the description of an assault rifle and what gives them the right -- i always thought an assault rifle was a full auto rifle ? -- not a semi auto ----- was i always wrong ?
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Post by fmelvis on Dec 24, 2012 17:31:08 GMT -5
I think it can be made into a full auto with a few mods.
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