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Post by rockhound97058 on Dec 24, 2012 19:11:45 GMT -5
The gun talk around the country and the news media is getting damn tiring to listen too. Guns are not the problem in this society, it's the mental cases behind them.
Guns, Knives, Slingshots, or what-ever the weapon may be, are inanimate objects!!! I own firearms, and have owned a few so called assult rifles in the past. Once I take them from the safe lay them on the table, they never went anywhere. I never once had a gun sneak out of my safe, or jump out of my hands or jump off the table and run down the street and open fire on anyone! It just doesn't happen! It all boils down to the psyco behind the trigger!
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 24, 2012 20:05:14 GMT -5
I think it can be made into a full auto with a few mods. A full auto sear will change some rifles to full auto, but for most the complete reciever unit must be replaced. Possession of a full auto sear or reciever is the same as possession of the whole weapon, a federal felony. I had a neighbor years ago who tried to "mod" a SKS. He pulled the trigger and sure enough, full auto, but when he released the trigger it kept firing till the magazine was empty. Idiots will always "fix" things they know nothing about. I will wager that automobile fatalities directly linked to a doofus working on his own (or someone elses) car far outnumber ALL firearm deaths. So no one should own cars on a list of dangerous assault vehicles? Lee
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 24, 2012 20:10:19 GMT -5
Let's look at it this way. If the goverment becomes tyrannical, are there enough trained private citizens to fight the U.S. military and police forces? Does the intent of the second amendment from 1791 still apply in the same way as it does now? The military and police are citizens first, I doubt even half of them would go along with totalitarianism.
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 24, 2012 23:38:43 GMT -5
Yep, I agree with rockoonz. Texas cops would not go with a tyrannical government and I don't think a lot of soldiers would. either. I hope we're not a nation of sheep but only time will tell.
Most semi autos these days are not all that easy to modify and of course that would be a illegal assault rifle. I find some boring and some not to be. I've always thought the only boring guns are inaccurate guns and most of the civilian semi auto M-16 clones are anything but inaccurate. I think they are super fun to shoot and the ammo is cheap too so you can shoot a lot....Mel
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Post by Woodyrock on Dec 26, 2012 3:16:32 GMT -5
One interesting note, whilst many are deploring the NRA for advocating armed police in schools our Presidents children are, and always have been protected in school by a dozen armed guards.
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Post by chassroc on Dec 26, 2012 8:53:32 GMT -5
One of the most ironic and confusing things I'm finding is all the claims from the NRA and Pro-gun lobby that it isn't the guns, its mental illness... so you would expect complete agreement that the first change in gun laws would take them away from the mentally ill but as they say, "That dog don't hunt" in the NRA
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 26, 2012 10:01:04 GMT -5
Charlie: technically speaking, when you buy a gun and get your background check, you have to state you are not mentally ill and that is supposed to be checked. If the government is not doing background checks properly, that is a problem all right and one the government should fix.
That being said, if you have a mom who is stupid enough or crazy enough to give shooting lessons to an child who is mentally screwed up and give him access to guns, all that goes out the window anyway. That same kid though, could build a bomb, grab a machete or drive a car and hurt people just like he could with a gun. So, actually, it does come down to mental health in the end. Guns don't kill people by themselves, crazy aholes running loose in society with guns do.
Also got to say that news operations running the story 24/7 for a week or more just stirs up the other crazies to do the same sort of thing. That way, these fringe kids with no friends and borderline personalities can get their five minutes of fame and immortalize their name on the scoreboard of infamy Heck it's like a video game for crazies where you see who can post the highest score..Mel
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 10:22:15 GMT -5
A newspaper in NY published the names, addresses and phone numbers of the people in their area that legally own guns. In the comments section at the bottom of the article someone posted the presiden's office phone number and address. I have been calling her (as it turns out it is a she or his secretary) number and asking how busy they are just to make sure that there are no slackers. Have some fun, call the number as often as you like. It only costs a minute each time. 1-914-694-5204 Jim news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/newspaper-publishes-gun-owners-names-addresses-215214269--abc-news-topstories.html
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 26, 2012 10:30:09 GMT -5
Whew! Talk about a special kind of stupid! Man, to do this targets every gun owner for burglaries and in case the dumbasses at this paper don't now it, folks sometimes get killed during burglaries. Anyone get's hurt, it's all the fault of this paper. If a Texas newspaper did that they'd be run out of business. I really smell a lawsuit here, if not against the paper, against the government agency that provided them the information. Once someone gets burglarized and they can show damages, I'm sure they will sue the paper for getting them targeted. Used to be, to protect against gun confiscation if the country were to be invaded, gun registration info was not supposed to be freely available *L* ( Even though, despite this, the government lies their asses off and does keep track of it all). I'm glad Texas does not register firearms. In Texas, you fill out federal forms but not state like in Commiefornia...Mel
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Post by chassroc on Dec 26, 2012 11:33:56 GMT -5
Charlie: technically speaking, when you buy a gun and get your background check, you have to state you are not mentally ill and that is supposed to be checked. If the government is not doing background checks properly, that is a problem all right and one the government should fix.
I believe that government background checks can only be done when a firearm is purchased from a licensed dealer but no background checks can be done when a weapon is purchased in other ways such as at a gun show
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 26, 2012 15:19:23 GMT -5
Charlie, That's not true in Texas. If you buy from a gun show dealer, you fill out the same federal forms and the gun show dealer phones the check line just as happens in a gun store. Speeds yup the process if you have a CCW permit as then you've already had a serious background check but it still has to be done. No checks on private person to person sales anywhere though and that's where some sales fall through the cracks. And of course, guns can be given as gifts with no checks so in those cases, it behooves the seller or gift giver to try not to give or sell guns to crazies or criminals. Impossible for any system to be perfect though, just like you can't stop car sales to guys who drive drunk..Mel
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Post by bushmanbilly on Dec 27, 2012 12:47:30 GMT -5
I think we all have bigger fish to fry now! Just passed 133 nations to 0. UN Small Arms Treaty Passes While Media Sleeps beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/un-small-arms-treaty-passes-while-media-sleeps-2-2469622.html“10. Reaffirming also the right of each State to manufacture, import and retain small arms and light weapons for its self-defence and security needs, as well as for its capacity to participate in peacekeeping operations in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, “. This is just another statement dealing with a ‘collective right’, not an individual right. The ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, along with all the ‘alphabet’ agencies of the federal and state governments are immune and the tyranny they will accomplish when this treaty is fully implemented staggers the mind. Right about now you are probably thinking, so what? As long as the Senate doesn’t ratify all if well. Ask yourself if you are familiar with the United Nation’s Agenda 21. The Senate didn’t ratify that. Instead Bill Clinton basically passed it by executive order. Mike Opelka, at the Blaze writes:Agenda 21 is a two-decade old, grand plan for global ’Sustainable Development,’ brought to you from the United Nations. George H.W. Bush (and 177 other world leaders) agreed to it back in 1992, and in 1995, Bill Clinton signed Executive Order #12858, creating a Presidential Council on ‘Sustainable Development.’ This effectively pushed the UN plan into America’s large, churning government machine without the need for any review or discussion by Congress or the American people. So it is perfectly feasible that this will be implemented over a period of years, but very short years. From The Trenches reports on legislation that is currently before Congress to put the squeeze on those of us wishing to maintain our Second Amendment rights. Enter H.R. 6241 and S. 3458, identical bills in both houses that are currently in committee; titled Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2012 .When passed, in person sales of ammunition will be required, as well as registration of amounts exceeding 1,000 rounds, or 1,000 rounds over a week period. The idea behind this legislation is to make you pay more in the future for ammunition and to register sales. It will also limit your selection to what ever is available at a local store. Another bill before Congress, sitting in committee is Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2011. It is H.R. 591, in the House and S.35 in the Senate. It would permanently ban Gun Shows if passed.
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Post by gingerkid on Dec 29, 2012 13:08:38 GMT -5
Hi, bushman! I cannot find any reputable sources on the info in your post and searched for it on the UN website. www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/For Christmas, Santa brought me a pocketbook and an 870 Remington Tactical Express Synthetic 18" shotgun. Have an ATI stock on it now, but gonna place a Blackhawk Spec Ops Generation II with recoil reduction stock on it. Has a little kick to it, but it's a nice shotgun. The gun's name is "Animal Mutha" and is named after "Animal Mother" on the movie "Full Metal Jacket." Animal Mutha
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 29, 2012 13:26:08 GMT -5
Jan, Very cool H.D.S. ( household defense system). I kinda like defense shotguns myself. I love the Mossberg 930SPX. Unfortunately, extended magazine shotguns are on the list of guns Obama's gang wants to ban as assault weapons. Check out Centurian's new multi defense rounds for shotguns. Just tried some at the range and they are awesome.
Lots of interesting gun stuff on the news lately. Folks been pointing out the hypocrisy of the anti gun folks. One news commentator commenting about how guns should not be allowed in schools was found to have 16 armed guards at his kids' school. Anti gun mayor Rahm Emmanual has his kids in an armed school yet is against other folks protecting their schools in his city, a city in which the murder rates have gone up since he took office by the way. Also one of the most dangerous cities in the country. *L*
I always liked the old saw, "With guns we are citizens. Without guns we are subjects" Safest nation in the world is Switzerland where all adult men are armed by the government. Most unsafe countries and those which many horrible things have taken place are some of those which have been disarmed.
Funny how all the rich anti gun aholes, Hollyweird stars and anti gun politicians , all have their own armed security but don't want to allow it for others. Glad to see a lot of folks and schools are listening to the NRA's ideas the anti gunners scoffed at and protecting their schools and homes. If I had kids, I'd want them in a protected schools just like Rahm Emmanuels kids.
Feinstein's latest anti gun scheme would have our grandfathered legal guns registered and non transferable so when you die, your kids can't have them, they must be turned in to the government for destruction.....Mel
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Post by gingerkid on Dec 29, 2012 14:23:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Mel! ;D got to shoot it the day santa brought it to me at our local range. Plan on going again as soon as the weather permits. Sure wish the blackhawk stock would arrive.
Agree that teachers that want to carry should be allowed to carry with proper training and permits. Doubt perps will mess with a teacher packing heat.
Saw on the news that some teachers will receive training and permits.
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Post by helens on Dec 29, 2012 21:54:29 GMT -5
Hi, bushman! I cannot find any reputable sources on the info in your post and searched for it on the UN website. www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/For Christmas, Santa brought me a pocketbook and an 870 Remington Tactical Express Synthetic 18" shotgun. Have an ATI stock on it now, but gonna place a Blackhawk Spec Ops Generation II with recoil reduction stock on it. Has a little kick to it, but it's a nice shotgun. The gun's name is "Animal Mutha" and is named after "Animal Mother" on the movie "Full Metal Jacket." Animal Mutha That's a nice one Jan:). I think a 20 gauge is probably better for a woman and home defense... mostly because if you MUST fire it in your house, you will have less repair of walls and furniture afterwards, and it will still do the job as efficiently:P.
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 29, 2012 22:09:20 GMT -5
Sweet!
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Post by bushmanbilly on Dec 30, 2012 1:16:37 GMT -5
Hi, bushman! I cannot find any reputable sources on the info in your post and searched for it on the UN website. www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/For Christmas, Santa brought me a pocketbook and an 870 Remington Tactical Express Synthetic 18" shotgun. Have an ATI stock on it now, but gonna place a Blackhawk Spec Ops Generation II with recoil reduction stock on it. Has a little kick to it, but it's a nice shotgun. The gun's name is "Animal Mutha" and is named after "Animal Mother" on the movie "Full Metal Jacket." Animal Mutha Nice 870, thats what I have, I'm not keen on pistol grips though. Just don't feel right to me. www.torontosun.com/2011/07/15/canada-tries-to-exempt-hunting-rifles-from-un-arms-trade-treaty-negotiationsOTTAWA - The Canadian government is trying to spare hunting rifles and sporting arms from a United Nations one-size-fits-all international standard to regulate the flow of weapons around the world.Gun advocates in Canada praised the feds Friday, but gun control advocates and the opposition blasted the move as an irresponsible ploy to hamper the UN's efforts to save lives. On Thursday, Canadian diplomats at the treaty's preliminary negotiations in New York tried to exempt sporting and hunting firearms in the treaty's preamble, remove ammunition and other high-volume items from the reporting requirements and add a clause that reads, in part, "small arms have certain legitimate civilian uses, including sporting, hunting and collecting purposes." Tony Bernardo, a spokesman for the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, derided the UN as "incredibly anti-gun" and said Canada's attempts to exempt sporting arms is the right call. "The UN is trying to create a treaty to regulate the acquisition and movement of all conventional weapons that aren't nuclear, chemical or biological. In terms of scope, they want it to cover everything from pointed sticks to aircraft carriers," Bernardo said. "What Canada is saying is they don't want civilian firearms and firearm accessories tied in with military stuff."They don't want our Marlin .30-30 hunting rifle coming into Canada to have to go through the same kind of regulatory process that a jet fighter has to go through." UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade. U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the pact, a charge Washington denies. The month-long talks at U.N. headquarters broke off after the United States - along with Russia and other major arms producers - said it had problems with the draft treaty and asked for more time. But the U.N. General Assembly's disarmament committee moved quickly after Obama's win to approve a resolution calling for a new round of talks March 18-28. It passed with 157 votes in favor, none against and 18 abstentions.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 30, 2012 1:23:03 GMT -5
Jan, Very cool H.D.S. ( household defense system). I kinda like defense shotguns myself. I love the Mossberg 930SPX. Unfortunately, extended magazine shotguns are on the list of guns Obama's gang wants to ban as assault weapons. Check out Centurian's new multi defense rounds for shotguns. Just tried some at the range and they are awesome. Lots of interesting gun stuff on the news lately. Folks been pointing out the hypocrisy of the anti gun folks. One news commentator commenting about how guns should not be allowed in schools was found to have 16 armed guards at his kids' school. Anti gun mayor Rahm Emmanual has his kids in an armed school yet is against other folks protecting their schools in his city, a city in which the murder rates have gone up since he took office by the way. Also one of the most dangerous cities in the country. *L* I always liked the old saw, "With guns we are citizens. Without guns we are subjects" Safest nation in the world is Switzerland where all adult men are armed by the government. Most unsafe countries and those which many horrible things have taken place are some of those which have been disarmed. Funny how all the rich anti gun aholes, Hollyweird stars and anti gun politicians , all have their own armed security but don't want to allow it for others. Glad to see a lot of folks and schools are listening to the NRA's ideas the anti gunners scoffed at and protecting their schools and homes. If I had kids, I'd want them in a protected schools just like Rahm Emmanuels kids. Feinstein's latest anti gun scheme would have our grandfathered legal guns registered and non transferable so when you die, your kids can't have them, they must be turned in to the government for destruction.....Mel Speaking of "more equal" citizens... Lee
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Post by bushmanbilly on Dec 30, 2012 1:33:24 GMT -5
www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/10/the-u-n-arms-trade-treaty-are-our-2nd-amendment-rights-part-of-the-deal/Under the George W. Bush administration, the U.S. originally voted against a resolution that began the process in 2006. However, the current administration reversed that policy, and strongly supports its enactment. In January 2010, U.S. representatives joined with those of 152 other countries in endorsing a U.N. Arms Treaty Resolution to draft a blueprint for enactment in 2012. This activity is planned to be completed by July 27, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has pledged to push hard for Senate ratification. Previously led by the United Kingdom, there can be no doubt that the U.N.’s 193-member General Assembly will approve it. Foreign ministers of the U.K., France, Germany and Sweden want the treaty to cover all types of conventional weapons, notably including small arms and light weapons, all types of munitions, and related technologies. They also advocate that it include strong provisions governing human rights, international humanitarian law and sustainable development. (More about sustainable development later.) So let’s review some recent history and see if gun owners and other Second Amendment defenders might have very good reasons to take issue with this treaty. Actually, we don’t have to look back very far at all.Consider the Fast and Furious debacle, an operation that was represented to be all about targeting bad guys who are committing violent crimes on both sides of our border with Mexico. There can be no remaining doubt that the program was really aimed at border gun shops and their right to conduct legal civilian firearms sales. And after the 2010 Republican House cleaning dashed President Obama’s dream of a carbon cap-and-trade program, he wasted no time finding a way to circumvent that pesky obstacle. His EPA is gleefully pursuing that same anti-fossil energy agenda. Meanwhile, Congress sits idly by and allows this breach of its constitutional responsibility established by separation of powers to continue. Then there’s the currently proposed, Obama-endorsed, Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) which would subordinate U.S. naval and drilling operations beyond 200 miles of our coast to a newly established U.N. bureaucracy. If ratified by Congress, it will grant a Kingston, Jamaica-based International Seabed Authority (ISA) the power to regulate deep-sea oil exploration, seabed mining, and fishing rights. As part of the deal, as much as 7% of U.S. government revenue collected from oil and gas companies operating off our coast will be forked over to ISA for redistribution to poorer, landlocked countries.
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