chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Jul 25, 2013 7:43:36 GMT -5
This is what Democrats and Republicans and Tea Partiers, Conservatives, Liberals, and Progressive should be aiming for:
"Once upon a time, in the middle of the last century, America had a thriving economy in which the middle class was at the center and everyone -- poor and rich alike -- did better. But then, starting in the late 1970s, a group of self-serving rich people began to sell a promise that if we took better care of them, their wealth would trickle down, and that would help everyone else prosper. The country bought that line. And for three decades both parties yielded to it. The results were great for the very rich -- and disastrous for everyone else. Wages stagnated. Inequality became extreme. Mobility slowed. By 2008, things were so upside down and we had so lost our way that the economy collapsed. Out of that ruin, many began to remember the old ways: the truth that lasting growth and shared prosperity come from the middle out and not the top down. Now we are joined in a battle of ideas to see whether middle-out economics can dethrone trickle-down."
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robsrockshop
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Post by robsrockshop on Jul 25, 2013 7:53:14 GMT -5
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2013 8:31:02 GMT -5
Times have changed. People used to be good.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 25, 2013 8:37:06 GMT -5
Charlie: Odd words from a supporter of a president that is destroying the middle class by destroying business, costing the country jobs thereby eliminating the middle class and instead creating a huge lower slave class held captive to government handouts. Thanks to the threat of Obamacare, almost all new jobs created are part time. That does not help build a middle class. Thanks to over regulation, energy costs will rise and businesses will fail. That does not help build a middle class, creating jobs does. Unemployment stats for first time filers this month are up again. The economy is stagnant, Unemployment rate is still bad ( even worse if you count folks who have just stopped looking for jobs) national debt is still rising and the baddest part is still to come. Most every city, county and state has billions and billions of unfunded pension and benefit liabilities to all the government workers whose unions have been getting them fat contracts for years. The only sector doing well are the fatcat employees of an ever growing and corrupt government and that is where the man problem lies, larger and larger government.
I would propose that these rich folks you are bitching about are simply the golfing and country club buddies of our government higher ups on both sides of the aisle. The rich want their pet politicians in power so they can make them money. The politicians want the dependent class kept slaves so they can buy their votes with freebies and stay in power. Your hero Obama is just another corrupt government slug who cheated, lied, and bought his way into power and cares no more for the middle class than any other rich bastard politician. You cannot build a middle class by destroying businesses and jobs. What we need is to ban the lobbies and put short "term limits" on every politician so we can prevent these scumbags from becoming entrenched in our government for tens of years and for all those years, being cronies and servants of their uber rich buddies.
The problems is not the rich so much as it is the fact that the game is fixed. As soon as we elect our representatives they stop being "our" representatives and start worrying about being re elected so they can spend the rest of their lives representing their rich buddies and screwing us. The more folks they can make dependent on big government, the more folks they hold as slaves, and the more power they have. Anyone who doesn't see that is a very high on the dumbass scale...Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 8:41:32 GMT -5
Greed rules the world. You can not fix greed or stupid. I know, I can not be fixed from the latter. Jim
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2013 8:52:13 GMT -5
The US is in a classic fall cycle of a democracy. History is repeating itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 8:54:52 GMT -5
Charlie: Odd words from a supporter of a president that is destroying the middle class by destroying business, costing the country jobs thereby eliminating the middle class and instead creating a huge lower slave class held captive to government handouts. Thanks to the threat of Obamacare, almost all new jobs created are part time. That does not help build a middle class. Thanks to over regulation, energy costs will rise and businesses will fail. That does not help build a middle class, creating jobs does. Unemployment stats for first time filers this month are up again. The economy is stagnant, Unemployment rate is still bad ( even worse if you count folks who have just stopped looking for jobs) national debt is still rising and the baddest part is still to come. Most every city, county and state has billions and billions of unfunded pension and benefit liabilities to all the government workers whose unions have been getting them fat contracts for years. The only sector doing well are the fatcat employees of an ever growing and corrupt government and that is where the man problem lies, larger and larger government. I would propose that these rich folks you are bitching about are simply the golfing and country club buddies of our government higher ups on both sides of the aisle. The rich want their pet politicians in power so they can make them money. The politicians want the dependent class kept slaves so they can buy their votes with freebies and stay in power. Your hero Obama is just another corrupt government slug who cheated, lied, and bought his way into power and cares no more for the middle class than any other rich bastard politician. You cannot build a middle class by destroying businesses and jobs. What we need is to ban the lobbies and put short "term limits" on every politician so we can prevent these scumbags from becoming entrenched in our government for tens of years and for all those years, being cronies and servants of their uber rich buddies. The problems is not the rich so much as it is the fact that the game is fixed. As soon as we elect our representatives they stop being "our" representatives and start worrying about being re elected so they can spend the rest of their lives representing their rich buddies and screwing us. The more folks they can make dependent on big government, the more folks they hold as slaves, and the more power they have. Anyone who doesn't see that is a very high on the dumbass scale...Mel In the second to the last paragraph about "What we need is to ban the lobbyists and put short term limits on every politician. The only people that can do that is the people we are talking about here and they are not going to cut their own throats. Open season on lobbyists would work as long as we did not have to eat them. Toss them to the buzzards like the Buddhists. Am I going to prison for this. It is coming. Jim
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 25, 2013 8:58:19 GMT -5
What Jim said is absolutely correct. Wealth will always exist as a pyramid with only the richest few at the top. This is part of the natural scheme of things and cannot be fixed. The goal should be to move up the pyramid and not be one of the slave multitude that make up the base. It's all about choices. If one chooses to be dependent, one has also chosen his position on the pyramid....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 10:50:39 GMT -5
and I think we have left apathy and are approaching dependence.
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2013 10:56:50 GMT -5
YEP. It was another forum member's opinion Scott that apathy was where we are in this cycle theory.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 11:18:45 GMT -5
By the numbers I would say that we are half way into dependency. Are you aware that wealthy people still draw their social security if they have their dollars in the right place?
Just saw a story about a man in prison for murder is still drawing his government pay check. Jim
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