sheltie
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Post by sheltie on Aug 1, 2013 13:40:17 GMT -5
We currently have a BD combo cab machine (6" trim saw, two wheels for grinding, one wheel to use with belts and one polisher on the end) and we are looking to upgrade. We don't want to lose the trim saw capability so we will either have to keep this one or buy one that comes with it, or keep this one AND buy a good cab machine.
I'm looking for recommendations on what to buy, including brand and capabilities of the machine. I'm not concerned with the price other than to say that this will be used by a hobbyist (albeit a talented, creative one) rather than by a professional. Whatever it is you would recommend, I'd like it to be an upgrade to our current setup.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Aug 1, 2013 14:40:15 GMT -5
my only real advice on the matter is that you should maybe keep your current unit for the trim saw and extra wheel space. I use a genie and have no complaints at all. I think most people will agree that the galaxy and nova wheels are some of the best although you pay for that quality. I have heard good things about the cab king machines too and those have the overhead drip system vs the genie bubblers if that's an issue. Almost all cab machines only come with 6 wheels and stop at 3000 so that's where you old machine would come in handy for adding a station for 14,000, 50,000 etc ... I know they all come with an add on disc for the end of the shaft for polishing but I would prefer to just keep using 6" vertical wheels if possible instead of switching to the discs
I kept my old lortone trim saw/cabbing combo for that exact reason.
Chuck
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Post by deb193redux on Aug 1, 2013 15:35:15 GMT -5
Either the 6-wheel CabKing or the Lortone is a good buy. I would keep your current unit and put your lower-grit grinding wheels there. Then outfit the 6-wheel unit with a range of sanding wheels.
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Post by unclestu on Aug 1, 2013 18:42:09 GMT -5
I have this machine. I have had it for 2 years with no problem. When I got it I had it upgraded to the Galaxy and Nova wheels. It is all stainless steel individual gravity fed water feed for each wheel and it is made in the good old USA. www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/product.php?id=95532&catID=88Stu
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Aug 2, 2013 6:43:19 GMT -5
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sheltie
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Post by sheltie on Aug 2, 2013 8:15:34 GMT -5
I have this machine. I have had it for 2 years with no problem. When I got it I had it upgraded to the Galaxy and Nova wheels. It is all stainless steel individual gravity fed water feed for each wheel and it is made in the good old USA. www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/product.php?id=95532&catID=88Stu Thanks for the link. Coincidentally, I had been looking at this one prior to my post. Made in the USA is ALWAYS a plus!
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Post by deb193redux on Aug 2, 2013 9:06:26 GMT -5
that is the generic version of the 6-wheel Lortone I bought - from Kingsly. I ordered wheels and belts for other vendors.
it may mean assembled in usa. I can't get the straight story here. in other threads the Kingsly knockoff of Lortone stainless are said to be Chinese frame with some problematic spot welds. In others it is said to be really made by Lortone. It might be that the valves, wheels and assembly is USA. Maybe motor too. ... or maybe whole thing.
I think jsgems had a recent opinion on this.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Aug 2, 2013 9:17:30 GMT -5
One thing that's not mentioned much but is important to me is how easy the cleanup is for the machine. My lortone combo unit gets all gunked up with rock snot behind the wheels and you really cant clean any of that without removing the wheels. With the genie you just take the hoods and pans over to the laundry tub and rinse everything and it always looks brand new. I am sure most people don't care too much about that but after spending that much on something I like it to stay clean.
When I was looking at buying a brand new cabbing machine that kingsley stainless unit is what I was going purchase figuring it was the best bang for the buck but when I came across an almost new genie for less money then the kingsley one I jumped on it.
chuck
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Post by pghram on Aug 2, 2013 12:45:35 GMT -5
I hope it's ok to add a question to this post. What are your opinions of the Pixie by DP. Thanks.
Rich
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Post by sheltie on Aug 2, 2013 14:30:24 GMT -5
Jump in, the water's fine and the question is related.
Chuck - I looked on the DP site and it said that the Genie also has a trim saw as an attachment, but it looked like you had to remove the right three wheels. Do you know anything about that?
Denny
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Post by sheltie on Aug 2, 2013 14:30:44 GMT -5
duplicate, deleted.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Aug 2, 2013 14:46:40 GMT -5
I cant answer any questions about the trim saw but I am sure John at jsgems could help you there. I know that for myself I would much rather have a stand alone trim saw that could use any blade I choose rather than the specific size blade that the attachment is set up for. I really like the idea of keeping your current cabbing/trimming unit and moving the two hard diamond wheels (80 and 220) over to that so all your rough work is done there then that leaves two open spots on the new 6 wheel machine to add an 8000, 14000 or 50000 wheels. I think I am going to do that with the setup I have too as soon as I find time to take all the wheels off both machines.
this is taken from the diamond pacific site about the trim saw attachment.
EASY TO INSTALL AND USE: The Genie trim saw attachment is easy to install; requires no tools. Simply remove the three Nova wheels on the right hand side of the machine. Place the saw pan under the shaft. Mount the saw blade on the adapter and spin it onto the right hand shaft. Slip the saw table and hood into place, fill the pan with five pints of water, and you are ready to go.
COMES COMPLETE WITH BLADE: Your trim saw comes complete with a sintered continuous thin rim blade, size 8" x .032 x 1" bore. This is a good, all-purpose cutting blade. It is not recommended that blades that are much thicker or thinner than the .032 (rim thickness) blade supplied be used with this attachment. Thicker blades do not cut well with water as a coolant. Thinner blades need a higher RPM to "stiffen" them, and are more hazardous to use.
Chuck
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Post by Tom on Aug 2, 2013 23:29:19 GMT -5
I have the cab king with the trim saw add on. It only takes a minute to change it between wheels or saw, yet it is still kind of a pain in the ass. I bought the gryphon band saw for a stand alone unit but if I am trimming a lot I will use the cabking. The bandsaw is great but slower. The cabking trim saw might use 1.5 pints of water, that's it, easy cleanup easy swap over, but at the end of the day still a pain for a lazy man LOL
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Post by cccbock on Aug 5, 2013 2:45:51 GMT -5
build a machine !
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