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Post by sheltie on Oct 8, 2013 15:57:29 GMT -5
I need your help. My new saw arrived with the blade slot offset 7/16" from the splash guard hinge housing. IMO, this creates a safety issue and I won't use it in the slab saw mode (with the auto feed vise). I've been talking with BD and Kingsley North and have found that at least with Kingsley, their in stock inventory is the same as mine. I find it hard to understand why they continue to sell these saws but that is their business.
To those of you who own this saw, would you please check your saws and tell me if the slot for the blade is centered with the housing for the hinge of the splash guard? If not, have you had any problem with either the blade hitting the side of the splash guard or the oil slashing all over the place?
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 8, 2013 16:21:55 GMT -5
I think you're stuck with me Sheltie. I'm the only BD10 owner on here (and JohnJSGems sells them). I think I know what you mean, but let me say it again and you can confirm. Basically, it looks like the splash guard is offset to the right from the blade, so the blade is just barely under the left side of the splash guard. Is that what you're saying? That's what mine looks like anyway.
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 8, 2013 16:46:35 GMT -5
Hmmm interesting, On the Covington, the blade is centered under the splash guard and lots of oil runs off the saw table. I'm wondering if Barranca did that to divert more coolant off the left side of the splash guard and onto the workpiece rather than towards the outside of the table. Susan, when you run the saw does more oil splash towards the inside of the saw where the workpiece is in the vice? That would be a good thing as the more fluid on the blade where it hits the rock the better. Regardless, I wouldn't worry about it unless the blade actually hits the splash guard.....Mel
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Post by deb193redux on Oct 8, 2013 16:49:52 GMT -5
7/16" - almost 1/2". can you take a picture. that is hard to imagine.
on my old beacon starr the splash guard can be wiggled side to side at the front end. this put the tip more - or less - squarely over the blade. but most of the blade is under guard. sounds like you blade almost sticks out.
picture would help.
why is this only a safety issue in slab saw mode, and not trim saw mode too? I think I don't have the right picture in mind.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 8, 2013 16:50:05 GMT -5
Blade doesn't hit the blade guard. Most of the water sprays straight forward, hits the end of the blade guard, and drips down.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 8, 2013 17:50:02 GMT -5
I think you're stuck with me Sheltie. I'm the only BD10 owner on here (and JohnJSGems sells them). I think I know what you mean, but let me say it again and you can confirm. Basically, it looks like the splash guard is offset to the right from the blade, so the blade is just barely under the left side of the splash guard. Is that what you're saying? That's what mine looks like anyway. On mine, the blade is offset to the right (as you look at it looking toward the splash guard hinge). It's probably the same as yours, just looking at it differently.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 8, 2013 17:53:16 GMT -5
Hmmm interesting, On the Covington, the blade is centered under the splash guard and lots of oil runs off the saw table. I'm wondering if Barranca did that to divert more coolant off the left side of the splash guard and onto the workpiece rather than towards the outside of the table. Susan, when you run the saw does more oil splash towards the inside of the saw where the workpiece is in the vice? That would be a good thing as the more fluid on the blade where it hits the rock the better. Regardless, I wouldn't worry about it unless the blade actually hits the splash guard.....Mel The key here is your last sentence. The only way I would feel safe in using this saw is to raise the splash guard high so it would be impossible to have the blade hit it. In my view, that's impractical. But the bottom line of all this is why did the manufacturer design/manufacture a piece of equipment that is obviously wrong, even to the visible eye?
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Post by sheltie on Oct 8, 2013 17:56:04 GMT -5
7/16" - almost 1/2". can you take a picture. that is hard to imagine. on my old beacon starr the splash guard can be wiggled side to side at the front end. this put the tip more - or less - squarely over the blade. but most of the blade is under guard. sounds like you blade almost sticks out. picture would help. why is this only a safety issue in slab saw mode, and not trim saw mode too? I think I don't have the right picture in mind. It isn't that the blade is outside the limit of the splash guard, it's that it is VERY close to it and without raising the guard very high, it could easily hit it. The reason that I feel the greater danger is in the slab saw mode is that because - IMO - it is less important when you have hands on control of a preform than you do with a slab. It's a safety issue in either case, but one more so than the other.
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Post by robsrockshop on Oct 9, 2013 21:29:23 GMT -5
No offense but so far this thread is making ZERO sense. So the blade isn't centered in the guard........and the problem is? Take pics and post them so we can try to make sense as to what you're talking about because the verbal description is leaving confusing images in my mind. Are you afraid there's too much gap and the slab that you cutoff will drop in between and jam? I can't figure out what you're talking about. And what do you mean "the key here is your last sentence" are we playing guessing games now? We can't help you without exact specifics and we need pictures. You should take pics and post them and tell us exactly what your concern is in a visual reference. If it's offcentered is the arbor adjustable by loosening set screws and knocking it over? Ok........ enough for now but you should get the pic because we don't.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 10, 2013 9:28:23 GMT -5
No offense but so far this thread is making ZERO sense. So the blade isn't centered in the guard........and the problem is? It is centered. Take pics and post them so we can try to make sense as to what you're talking about because the verbal description is leaving confusing images in my mind. I can believe that. Are you afraid there's too much gap and the slab that you cutoff will drop in between and jam? No. I can't figure out what you're talking about. And what do you mean "the key here is your last sentence" are we playing guessing games now? If you read the sentence to which I referred and took a second to comprehend the obvious, you would understand. We can't help you without exact specifics and we need pictures. You should take pics and post them and tell us exactly what your concern is in a visual reference. If it's offcentered is the arbor adjustable by loosening set screws and knocking it over? Not enough to make a difference. Ok........ enough for now but you should get the pic because we don't. Don't need your help, thanks.[/quote] No offense? Really? How else would a normal rational person to take a personal attack? PB and I are not working together right now or I would post the pictures that I sent to BD. I spoke with them on the phone yesterday and they are at a loss for words as to how the screw up could've occurred. When they start their next run of BD 1os - do you have one? - they will send me one with the slot for the saw blade and the hinge housing for the splash guard perfectly lined up rather than off set as mine is.
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Post by robsrockshop on Oct 10, 2013 9:34:40 GMT -5
I apologize Sheltie. My neighbor and I hit the 4 wheelers starting at noon yesterday and ended up 10 miles from the house, almost entirely by way of trails thru woods, and ended up at a bar and yes we got drunk. So basically I was being a drunk asshole last night and I apologize for that and wont do it again. We were pretty beat up by the time we got home.
I am considering building and getting a patent on a PC breathalizer (unless there already is one) that keeps you from getting on the internet if you've been drinking.
We did see some cool things, we ran into a couple marines in the middle of nowhere target practicing and they let us shoot their AR15's.
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Post by johnjsgems on Oct 10, 2013 14:51:27 GMT -5
I would like to see pictures as well. The saws are cast so every saw should be the same. If the saw blade is diagonal under the guard I never noticed it on the demo saws I've used. The guy two spaces down from me at Quartzsite has the pro type unit. I'll check his when I'm there. I know he has used it non stop for at least two years. If the guard covers the blade to contain coolant spray is it really an issue? I don't get the safety issue either. I'm sober, too.
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Post by deb193redux on Oct 10, 2013 15:04:57 GMT -5
I still am not confidant of my visualization. IT sounds like you are saying the blade is centered in the slot, but both the slot and the blade are not centered under the guard, and that it is so close to one edge you think the blade could easily grind against the guard.
But, it also sounds like you are saying that this can't be an assembly issue, that the harness for the guard hinge is just offset form the slot on the table (never mind the blade).
You report BD concurs with the problem and is replacing the unit, but also report Kingsley had more saws like this and was not was not alarmed.
In order to form an opinion about how egregious BD quality control was, or how indifferent Kingsley is being, a picture square on form the front of the saw would really help.
I hope you get some photo hosting working soon.
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Post by deb193redux on Oct 10, 2013 15:07:16 GMT -5
I think you're stuck with me Sheltie. I'm the only BD10 owner on here (and JohnJSGems sells them). I think I know what you mean, but let me say it again and you can confirm. Basically, it looks like the splash guard is offset to the right from the blade, so the blade is just barely under the left side of the splash guard. Is that what you're saying? That's what mine looks like anyway. Susan - can you post a pic from the front of your saw? Even is we have to wait for a picture of Denny's saw, at least we could get comment on whether your saw had the same problem.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 10, 2013 15:28:45 GMT -5
Ok, Photobucket and I are finally getting along.
Here is a straight on shot of the splash guard housing and the saw blade. Actually, it is really a little more offset than the picture shows. Also, I've added and subtracted (configuration in the picture is as I received it) in an effort to make it to where I felt comfortable using it. No combination of washer helped.
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Post by johnjsgems on Oct 10, 2013 19:25:17 GMT -5
No pictures I can see.
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Post by unclesoska on Oct 10, 2013 20:36:24 GMT -5
Sorry, no photo.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 11, 2013 7:47:54 GMT -5
Weird! It was there when I posted yesterday. Let's try again.
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Post by johnjsgems on Oct 11, 2013 13:46:13 GMT -5
That looks like the casting is faulty for sure and the blade slot should be centered. If it wasn't new it would be an easy fix to move the guard over and install a longer bolt. Still, if the guard covers the blade it would work OK whether it is centered or not. And I still don't see a safety issue. The guard is to direct coolant to the blade and prevent throwing coolant on the operator while hand cutting. If the saw is not over filled it should have a drip at the guard. Raising the guard too high will cause a shower whether the guard is centered or not. The issue I mentioned earlier with the table not aligned is something different. In that case the little clip that holds down the vise will rub on the blade if table is not centered. Since the blade guard mounts to the table that isn't the problem with your saw. You would have to decide if the aesthetics of the slot not centered is serious enough to return the saw. The demo saw I sold in Denver was serial number 53 so they have sold at least that many saws.
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Post by sheltie on Oct 11, 2013 15:31:00 GMT -5
What I haven't mentioned before is that the splash guard is wobbly as all get out - has a lot of play in it - and I can't improve it by either adding or subtracting washers. The guard will hit the side of the blade unless I raise the guard so high as to make it ineffective. I couldn't find a serial number on the motor so it must be somewhere else.
I'll wait until BD gets a new inventory and will exchange my saw at that time.
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