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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 14, 2014 12:04:06 GMT -5
I know I've been away more than I've been here the last month or so, but I haven't seen much on Obamacare lately. I'm still sucking up the increase (41%!!) in my Kaiser premiums for now. Will attempt to wade through the Covered California site again sometime next month, after I get back from Quartzsite (important stuff first, lol!).
And when they don't hit their target goals of getting younger people covered, then they'll have to raise everyone's premiums - again. Nothing like changing the rules in the middle of the game...
A friend just emailed me a link to this:
Love those Hitler videos!
Oh, and FYI, had the mammagram done Dec 13 (all clean!), did not get a flu shot. Thanks all your input on that.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jan 14, 2014 12:17:40 GMT -5
The news was claiming today that 79% of the people who signed up need assistance. Looks like your 41% will increase to cover them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 12:30:43 GMT -5
we qualify for assistance. Thanks to the rest of you who are providing it thru whatever means it was confiscated.
I can never get enough of the Hitler rants.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 14, 2014 12:39:48 GMT -5
Scott, me too (qualify for assistance), to the tune of something like $383 a month, towards a much better Gold plan. Thanks, everybody!
Since everything is so fouled up right now, I decided to wait a couple months before leaving Kaiser. Don't want to end up uninsured. Like Hitler, I'll have to get a new doctor, too, and have Kaiser send over years worth of records, etc., etc. This whole thing is such a misguided, unthought out, asinine idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 12:57:21 GMT -5
Scott, me too (qualify for assistance), to the tune of something like $383 a month, towards a much better Gold plan. Thanks, everybody! Since everything is so fouled up right now, I decided to wait a couple months before leaving Kaiser. Don't want to end up uninsured. Like Hitler, I'll have to get a new doctor, too, and have Kaiser send over years worth of records, etc., etc. This whole thing is such a misguided, unthought out, asinine idea. Not if your goal is to generate a legacy. For forever, Obama will be the prez that brought universal healthcare to the USA. Every citizen can be damned. He will have his legacy, for better or worse.
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Post by wireholic on Jan 14, 2014 16:05:31 GMT -5
Last year was the 1st time in 20 yrs that I could afford health insurance of any kind and it leaves me with about $100 a week to live on after paying my mortgage. My husband is a disabled vet so he's covered. My premium went up $50 a month this year and I don't qualify for any assistance at all. I must be doing something wrong!
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jan 14, 2014 23:20:13 GMT -5
we qualify for assistance. Thanks to the rest of you who are providing it thru whatever means it was confiscated. I can never get enough of the Hitler rants.
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Post by grayfingers on Jan 15, 2014 11:59:00 GMT -5
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Post by robsrockshop on Jan 15, 2014 12:15:48 GMT -5
Maybe I don't have my facts straight but doesn't obamacare stem from the Heritage Foundation which was mostly a republican group and didn't Romney instill basically the same thing as obamacare in his state of Michigan?
I am sure the dems have tweaked this a lot but I am fully convinced that this right and left wing fight is akin to keeping your eye on the shiny silver prize and the real monsters are the big$ behind who is getting elected in the first place. Get rid of one they'll buy another. It's all a distraction.
I think it's all a race to the end goal, whatever that may be, and it's just one group vs the other of who gets to be in power, even if it is a secondary power, and they'll do anything including up to crippling the nation and bringing it to it's knees in order to get to prance around with the crown.
Just my opinion.
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Post by grayfingers on Jan 15, 2014 13:07:52 GMT -5
Hmmm, I respectfully disagree. While there are similarities with Romneycare (Massachusetts), the federal program is a very different animal. mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.htmlI don't think Heritage foundation was/is for it. www.heritage.org/research/projects/impact-of-obamacareVote Results: House Passes Obamacare The final vote tally for the Senate version of President Obama's health care reform legislation in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition. clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xmlEdit: Rob, In the larger picture, I agree with you about both parties heading us down apparently separate paths that will converge beyond yonder hill, as it were. I see it as a fight between the NATO and the UN models for the NWO.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jan 15, 2014 16:42:50 GMT -5
I finally found this. The next time a Obama lover tries to use Canada as an example. Show them this. If our costs are this high with only 32 million people. Whats the end bill for you folks with 300,000,000+.
Another good example is the shortage of MRI machines there are in Canada. In my province there are only 5 machines for 1.2 million people or 1 machine for very 240,000.
Many Canadians and commentators in other countries lauding Canada's government-dominated approach to health care refer to Canadian health care as "free." If health care actually were free, the relatively poor performance of the health care system might not seem all that bad. But the reality is that the Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light.
In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is not small, much less free.
And the bill is getting bigger over time. Before inflation, the cost of public health care insurance went up by 53.3 per cent over the last decade. That's more than 1.5 times faster than the cost of shelter (34.2 per cent) and clothing (32.4 per cent), and more than twice as fast as the cost of food (23.4 per cent). It's also nearly 1.5 times faster than the growth in average income over the decade (36.3 per cent).
And what did these substantial funds buy?
Despite talk of wait times reduction initiatives (backed with substantial funding), Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery. Access to physicians and medical technologies in Canada lags behind many other developed nations. And things have improved little since 2003. For example, the total wait time in 2012 (17.7 weeks from GP to treatment) is every bit as long it was back then.
Don't be fooled by claims that health spending isn't high enough or that transfers for health care to the provinces have been insufficient. Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population (older people require more care).
Canadians aren't suffering from health care underfunding; they're suffering from health care underperformance.
And it gets worse. Changing demographics mean Canada's health care system has a funding gap of $537 billion. While health care is costly and underperforming today, in the absence of reform the future will either hold large increases in taxes, further reductions in the availability of medical services, further erosion of non-health care government services, or all of the above.
But the worst part is that things don't have to be this way. While Canadians are getting a raw deal for their health care dollars, patients in Belgium, France, Germany, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Switzerland receive universal access to health care without lengthy queues. Patients in Australia, Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, and France enjoy better outcomes from the health care process than Canadians from their universal access health care systems. And vitally, payers in these countries all face a smaller bill for health care than Canadians.
That combination of superior performance for less cost comes from more pragmatic approaches to health care policy. Each of these nations' universal access health care systems -- every one of them -- has a larger role for the private sector in financing and delivery than Canada with cost sharing, private competition in the delivery of health care services, and private parallel health care and health care insurance.
Contrary to claims made by Canadian fear-mongers, none of these nations has abandoned universality or suffered poorer health system performance and higher cost as a result. Rather, these nations all manage to deliver on the noble goal of universal access to high quality care in a time frame that provides comfort and peace of mind. That's something Canada's provinces, with their government-dominated monopolistic approach, fail to accomplish.
Canadians pay a substantial amount of money for their universal health care system each year through the tax system but get a fairly poor deal in return. Reforming Canadian health care based on lessons from other, more successful, universal access health care systems is the key to solving that problem.
This piece was co-written by Milagros Palacios (@mpalaciosi), Fraser Institute economist.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jan 15, 2014 16:48:44 GMT -5
One more thing in the last three years $11,715 of my taxes went to health care. Between my daughter and I, we visited our GP 3 times. Each visit cost me $3905.00. Plus I payed for the prescriptions that were not covered by HC. Free eh!
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