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Post by transcendental on Aug 7, 2014 11:52:43 GMT -5
Hope not! I've never seen examples on quartz like this, taking suggestions for alternatives. Sunlight Shade with flash
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 14:11:46 GMT -5
I agree.. (asbestos) seeing how we live near an abandoned copper mine (liberty reservoir) with was known for having a asbestos within or near the mine. Upon occasions I would venture to that location as to see if anything has change due to weather changes etc.. and Yes I have seen asbestos appearing one the ground upon several occasional visits to the mine.
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Post by transcendental on Aug 7, 2014 14:25:02 GMT -5
Asbestos was mined in the north western part of the state, this was picked up in the south west, although I live in the third smallest state in the counyry it's really not far away compared to the other 47. It was also picked up from the bunch I posted earlier with all the copper ores. Now I don't know what to do with it >.>
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 16:45:46 GMT -5
Well your may or may not realize, Asbestos is a hazardous material.. But there are those collectors that simply want to complete their collection and Asbestos just happens to be apart of what they might be missing.. Your choice.. yet I would not put this sample on display or create a gem tree out of it.. You might attract more attention than you wanted. If you're leery about the stone, I would either throw it away, donate to a local museum or take to the be disposed of properly but a hazmat team.. but then too.. they prob want to flush/shower you down or even quarantine you for a few days.. Reference: RTP-Labs.com ( My Father's hazardous material Testing facility)
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Post by Peruano on Aug 7, 2014 17:44:25 GMT -5
I don't juggle machetes, or drink DDT, and I probably wouldn't saw that rock or sleep with it, but after that it seems quite acceptable to place it in a box, on a shelf, or in a window. Asbestos is dangerous (in some forms) if you breath the dust when you crush or work it. The guys that did so for years in the bellies of ships, mines, etc. suffered grave consequences. Those are extreme situations. Everyone has to live with their own risk factors, but I'd say that one is low compared to a lot of other stuff we engage in. JMHO. Tom
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Post by transcendental on Aug 7, 2014 18:10:50 GMT -5
Yeah I know it's a hazardous material, that's why I don't know what to do with it. I could keep it as part of my collection but I'm worried my kids might pick it up (they seem to be able to get into everything) I could just toss it in the woods and not have to worry about anyone finding it, or i could try to sell it as a specimin. Definitely not tumbling, drilling, sanding or putting a tree on it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 18:32:41 GMT -5
Transcendental you have a good point there as pertaining to children in the family and we all know how children are if left alone.. I would hate to see or hear that a child had picked up the stone and being very young could play with it or even place it in ones mouth. I'm sure you will do what is right but if kept as a specimen.. I would encase it in some way and put higher up on the shelf.
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Post by transcendental on Aug 7, 2014 18:55:57 GMT -5
It's outside tbh. Not willing to risk it by bringing it in the house. My oldest is a master lock pick and between the cats and the kids there is no place safe for me to put it. Was going to offer it here if people will cover flat rate shipping via paypal. I'll take some more pics of the rest of the stone and make a new thread. I also informed my husband as to what I think it is (he found it on his job site) and for him to watch out for the stuff when they are digging foundations (they aren't on this site but they could on another that has asbestos in the area) the risks from asbestos increases with amount and length of time your exposed. I think in a home with no kids or pets that like to climb on shelving especially if encased in a glass/plastic box the risks are non existent.
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Post by snowmom on Aug 7, 2014 21:49:49 GMT -5
might be a good use for one of jungle jims pyramids. enclose them in acrylic resin...
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Post by transcendental on Aug 7, 2014 23:34:44 GMT -5
might be a good use for one of jungle jims pyramids. enclose them in acrylic resin... I had thought about that too but haven't worked with resin before and this doesn't seem like a starter project. If he wants it or anyone else for that matter just message me
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Post by stephent on Aug 7, 2014 23:51:37 GMT -5
Just stickin it outside will cause it to flake with temps/rain/drying. And then that stuff is on/in your ground.. Go buy a cheap can of clear acrylic paint and give it a good heavy coat...runs won't hurt much in this case, but for display it might. The paint won't be as good as a resin coat and won't stand up to rough handling much, but it will encapsulate the fibers (if it is asbestos fibers) and make it somewhat safer to just leave somewhere. I would give it a shot of acrylic paint just for peace of mind.
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Post by transcendental on Aug 8, 2014 0:20:18 GMT -5
It's in a zip lock baggie outside. I did some more research on it and there was a mine in Connecticut that was a source of anthophyllite asbestos and it seems to fit the description. I'd hate to taint a decent specimin if someone willing to properly care for it wants it. I'll give it a bit and if no one contacts me I'll probably just put it back where it was found
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 18:11:58 GMT -5
If I liked it, I'd display it in a prominent place out of reach of kidlets.
Asbestos is not a toxic chemical. Even long term occupational exposure is not a guarantee that it will make you sick. No way having a specimen in the home is dangerous.
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Post by transcendental on Aug 8, 2014 20:28:14 GMT -5
Having it in the house on a shelf, no its not. Having my kids grab it and scratch on it breaking off particles and them breathing them .... I'd rather not chance it. I'm actually giving it back to my husband to give to his foreman to have it tested per his request. They breath in dust all day long on the job site and if it does turn out to be asbestos they can survey the area to determine what the risk is in the area. If this was a 1/10000000 chance he picked up this piece to bring home to me, or if it's all over the yard and their trucks are driving over it creating airborne particles him and his coworkers are breathing in. Does it have to be a guaranteed 100% chance that it'll cause issues for it to be a concern? Smoking greatly increases the risk of developing mesothelioma due to asbestos inhalation (upwards of 90% in some cases) and most of the guys he works with smoke. Worth mentioning and looking into in both our opinion
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 22:07:47 GMT -5
RE: Occupational asbestos exposure
I'd avoid it. Easy enough to do.
Is the chance of a problem from occupational exposure really 90%?? Where did that figure come from??
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Post by deserthound on Aug 8, 2014 22:42:55 GMT -5
wow.. i had no idea...crap and i live in a state where serpentine is our state rock, and it contains asbestos...and i have a ton or so of it in my yard
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 23:11:17 GMT -5
There seems to be a growing concern when dealing with particulars.. and some are not paying attention.. even the most minute exposer can cause health concerns.. Granted if one smokes these risks are increased. So I believe this issue and thread has just about run it's course. Here are my last words on this as offered by the National Cancer Institute
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Post by transcendental on Aug 9, 2014 9:50:52 GMT -5
RE: Occupational asbestos exposure I'd avoid it. Easy enough to do. Is the chance of a problem from occupational exposure really 90%?? Where did that figure come from?? Hard to avoid it if it's contained in the gravel in the yard that the trucks are driving on, crushing it and leaving a cloud of dust in their wake for all the guys to breath while working. Asbestos related disease (asbestosis and lung cancer - I thought mesothelioma too but I miss read it) has a risk increase of 90% when smokers are exposed to asbestos Occupational exposure does not increase risk of disease 90%, smoking and exposure does. www.asbestos.com/asbestos/smoking/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 11:46:01 GMT -5
even the most minute exposer [sic] can cause health concerns.. It's pretty amazing that a species so fragile as is described above evolved and survived. With all respect due, there is zero scientific evidence that "minute exposure" can cause "health concerns" whatever that means. The species Homo sapiens is not so fragile as to have it's individuals suffer life threatening issues from minute exposures to common substances. Take this in comparison to a common and real life threatening situation - rattlesnake bite - most will survive without treatment to this toxic event. The concept that minute exposure to a non-toxic mineral will do anything but cause a body to cough is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 11:57:01 GMT -5
RE: Occupational asbestos exposure I'd avoid it. Easy enough to do. Is the chance of a problem from occupational exposure really 90%?? Where did that figure come from?? Hard to avoid it if it's contained in the gravel in the yard that the trucks are driving on, crushing it and leaving a cloud of dust in their wake for all the guys to breath while working. Asbestos related disease (asbestosis and lung cancer - I thought mesothelioma too but I miss read it) has a risk increase of 90% when smokers are exposed to asbestos Occupational exposure does not increase risk of disease 90%, smoking and exposure does. www.asbestos.com/asbestos/smoking/That is awesome. Please help me understand. Whatever the % is of health issues from occupation exposure to asbestos, that percentage is increased by 90% if that party is a smoker? Did my thick skull get that? If I am on the right track, now all we need to know is what is the percentage of folks that actually experience health problems from occupational exposure. If the rate is 10 per 100,000 then smokers will make that number 19 per 100,000. PS asbestos.com does not seem to offer this number. PPS asbestos.com is run by self serving lawyers. One must know this when evaluating their data and how it is presented.
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