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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 0:10:41 GMT -5
Well, I think I am going to put my forty dollars into water tankers or ice berg haulers. Oh yea, I forgot, the icebergs are melting. Guess it will have to be tankers hauling water from Saudi.
A better way would be to make all the cars run on hydrogen then everyone can hang a bucket on their tail pipe and make their drinking water on the way to and from work. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 2, 2015 8:38:28 GMT -5
Looks like a haboob jamesp. Ed, in Egypt we called them Khamasins. In Montana there is also the devistation caused by the pine beetle. We cut down beetle kill trees a lot. They get wood borers in them after the beetles kill the trees. Sad to see the dead trees all over. It isn't unusual as beetle infestation has happened before in the 1920's and 1930's and then in the late 1970's. There are some differences in this go round because the winter have been too mild to kill off the beetles (plus too mild to make the Californians who move there leave..lol). Also there are more houses built in woodland areas so more people are seeing the dead trees. The drought in California and other western states like Montana is bad but not much we can do if momma nature wants it dry. I guess you tree people are getting lots of work. Hate to see the damage, trees enhance the landscape so well. Habitat, climate control etc. Correlation of Californians to pine beetles, shame on you LOL. Yes, the warmer winters did not do a good bug kill. I did not realize borers are entering the picture. I think our pine beetles are borers, those your way are bark beetles. either way, not good for the trees. I was stunned when visiting the high altitude areas of the smokey Mountains. The old growth trees were all standing dead. Acid rain and low ph had killed them. I believe that stems from pollution. I get the effects of an ice age. Spearheads found miles out in the ocean when the water was taken up as ice in the polar caps. Man was camping on ground way out on the ocean floor that is under water this day. The subtle altitude variation accentuates the effect of changing water levels. The other extreme is the coral I find at 80 feet above present sea level over a large area. Formed during a hot age. Pleistocene- very recent:
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Post by Fossilman on May 2, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -5
Here is a local lake in our area in the Cascade Mountains of Oregon "Detroit Lake"..I'm sitting on a stump on the bottom of the dried area because of low waters for the past few years... This should be 35 feet deep from surface of water,where Tammy took the photo...
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Post by parfive on May 6, 2015 14:58:39 GMT -5
400.83
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Post by chassroc on May 6, 2015 17:48:17 GMT -5
My pictures of Lake Mead from and around the dam in September 2005 But 100 miles south in Chloride az they dont care about drought just funky livin Charlie
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Post by chassroc on May 6, 2015 17:50:15 GMT -5
I believe in NATURAL CYCLES
I also believe in man - made cycles
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2015 19:39:30 GMT -5
I believe in NATURAL CYCLES I also believe in man - made cycles The acid rain came from man. They have figured it all out and started treating certain manufacturing emissions. Temps, totally cyclic. Recent ice age reveals too much evidence.
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Post by vegasjames on May 6, 2015 20:54:05 GMT -5
I believe in NATURAL CYCLES I also believe in man - made cycles The acid rain came from man. Not all is man made. Volcanic emmisions also create acid rain
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Post by vegasjames on May 6, 2015 20:56:45 GMT -5
They were just saying tonight on the news that Lake Mead only has to drop another 4 feet before mandatory water restrictions are put in place. This will likely be by the end of the month.
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Post by parfive on May 7, 2015 0:34:52 GMT -5
Coupla more puppies for Lake Mead’s You can pay me now column. You didn’t think that $817 million for the third intake was the end of it, did ya? : ) The most immediate effect of the declining elevation at Lake Mead is the need to extend six boat launch ramps, which are scheduled to begin construction in May at a cost of up to $2 million. The Southern Nevada Water Authority also recently began work on a $650 million low-level pumping station that will be able to send water into the valley even if the lake drops below 1,000 feet in elevation, when two other existing pumping stations will go offline.
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Post by Rockoonz on May 7, 2015 0:47:30 GMT -5
Well, I think I am going to put my forty dollars into water tankers or ice berg haulers. Oh yea, I forgot, the icebergs are melting. Guess it will have to be tankers hauling water from Saudi. A better way would be to make all the cars run on hydrogen then everyone can hang a bucket on their tail pipe and make their drinking water on the way to and from work. Jim Takes WAAAAY more energy to make hydrogen than you get back from it, then there's the highly explosive nature of hydrogen. Of course a little population control could be beneficial. Can we start the hydrogen program in Washington DC?
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Post by vegasjames on May 7, 2015 4:07:39 GMT -5
Coupla more puppies for Lake Mead’s You can pay me now column. You didn’t think that $817 million for the third intake was the end of it, did ya? : ) The most immediate effect of the declining elevation at Lake Mead is the need to extend six boat launch ramps, which are scheduled to begin construction in May at a cost of up to $2 million. The Southern Nevada Water Authority also recently began work on a $650 million low-level pumping station that will be able to send water into the valley even if the lake drops below 1,000 feet in elevation, when two other existing pumping stations will go offline. They have been working on the new intake tower for a while now, but how long is that going to be good for? They seem to forget the fact that the lake is old canyons that slope inward. So the acres of water per foot declines significantly as the lake drops. Still our city leaders, casinos and other big businesses keep acting like w have unlimited amounts of water. The other major problem not being discussed much is the water level is almost to the point where there is insufficient water to produce power from the dam. A while ago they said that Lake Mead only has to drop another 30 feet before power cannot be produced by Hoover Dam. The lake has probably dropped by at least half that since then and they are expecting another 4 foot drop by the end of the month. Therefore, it should not be much longer before power production stops at the dam. 90% of that power goes to Los Angeles and the rest to Arizona. So this is not just a Southern Nevada issue.
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Post by jamesp on May 7, 2015 6:21:56 GMT -5
Two cities close to Atlanta have been supplementing water with drilled wells. One of them due to the Lake Lanier dry down back in 2007. 80 GPM well supplies 5% of demand for Lawrenceville. One of the wells is being treated for radiation, I believe the first municipal drinking water well being treated for such. I believe they have since drilled more wells to increase the onsite water production. The neighbors fought a water treatment reservoir in my neighborhood's drainage a few years back. It involved a 2000 acre reservoir. And not a polluted drainage. It will happen, next time the city will win most likely. The next creek north of us (7 miles) is the source for now. It is very polluted, but they treat it some how. So I am curious if ground water is available vegasjames. Or is the water quality too poor to treat ? Amazing that apathetic approach is being taken towards Mead. Especially if ground water is not available.
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Post by jamesp on May 7, 2015 7:37:08 GMT -5
Got to keep the boat ramps up and running. Casinos too. What are these people thinking. They extended the boat ramps on Lanier too. Been there done that.
Waiting to see if they put a treatment facility on my drainage. I have a well estimated at 100-500 GPM. Got water-will sell. Have a friend that sells his well water to a municipality.
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Post by vegasjames on May 8, 2015 18:41:51 GMT -5
So I am curious if ground water is available vegasjames. Or is the water quality too poor to treat ? Amazing that apathetic approach is being taken towards Mead. Especially if ground water is not available. Ground water levels have dropped significantly and have been that way for decades. I was looking for a house about 25 years ago or so and told the realtor I wanted a fixer upper since I like working on houses. She called me and told me there was a listing for a 4 bedroom house for $10,000. Well of course there was something seriously wrong but I went to check it out anyway. When I got there I saw major cracks in the ground and the house was literally at a 40 degree angle. The whole subdivision, Windsor Park, was sinking in to the ground because of the ground water being taken out so the underlying rock has no support. The whole area was sinking so bad that the area was condemned. They salvaged some houses and demolished the rest. Shortly afterward they found City Hall was sinking for the same reason. They pawned that off on Zappos though. From what I have heard Mandalay Bay has also sunk by 6 feet and they are working hard to try and stabilize the ground under the hotel/casino. Other areas they expect to sink are already mapped out but they are still building on top of these areas and selling the homes.
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Post by jamesp on May 9, 2015 6:29:55 GMT -5
Can they go a few miles away from the city and set up well fields where sinking is not an issue vegasjames ? Up here in granite country water comes from cracks and fissures in granite at 100-400 feet deep. No chance of sinks. And water tables independent of each other. However, the south half of the state, the water table is fairly homogenous. A draw down at point A, lowers the water table at point B say 50 miles away. Also in granite country, the water often follows the topography. Drilling into the side of a hill often creates a flowing well. Any mountains close to Las Vegas ? I am sure they are doing ground water studies for the area. This study performed around Atlanta. I used this book's 'topographical rating system' to figure placement of a well on my farm: ga.water.usgs.gov/publications/ggs/ic-63/In my case it is a classic stress relief fracture situation. A plateau of granite with a sharp fall on the edge of my property. Heavy layer of clay and top soil washed off granite plateau at 'fall off' removing weight off of horizontal granite layers causing it to buckle upwards like a horizontal bell spring. Two to four inch high water bearing fissures every 30-50 feet of depth. They stopped drilling at a shallow 170 feet due to hitting 5 fissures. Some of those fissures increased the water flow by over 100 GPM each according to compressed air test. Well driller estimates 500-1000 GPM well. That is more water(ready to drink water) than the the creek they draw from with there large treatment plant up the road. Should bring this well to the attention of the local water authority. May risk them exercising eminent domain LOL. Would love to sell water...
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Post by chassroc on May 9, 2015 8:39:29 GMT -5
Coupla more puppies for Lake Mead’s You can pay me now column. You didn’t think that $817 million for the third intake was the end of it, did ya? : ) The most immediate effect of the declining elevation at Lake Mead is the need to extend six boat launch ramps, which are scheduled to begin construction in May at a cost of up to $2 million. Wouldn't you love that sweatheart contract...6 boat launch ramps for 2mm...I think they should use teak!
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Post by Rockoonz on May 9, 2015 11:23:49 GMT -5
The $2m cost may be legit, like $1.9m for environmental studies, permits, taxes, and $100k to the contractors. Thats the way we roll in this Obama Nation.
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Post by jamesp on May 9, 2015 12:27:10 GMT -5
No need to fish on the right side or the left side of the river if there ain't no water in the center. Water shortage does not discriminate.
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Post by parfive on May 9, 2015 13:17:36 GMT -5
Teabag nitwit tells Al Gore to take a long walk off a short pier.
Al chuckles, “Been there, done that. Never even got my feet wet.”
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