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Post by 1dave on May 9, 2015 16:07:18 GMT -5
jamesp This moose found out what dry ground is about.
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Post by jamesp on May 9, 2015 17:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by vegasjames on May 9, 2015 18:03:17 GMT -5
Can they go a few miles away from the city and set up well fields where sinking is not an issue vegasjames ? Not very likely for several reasons. First of all most of Nevada is off limits. It it mostly military or National Park, State Park, Preserves, etc. Secondly, most of this area is loaded with highly toxic crap. Before regulations tightened up the big businesses around here, such as Kerr McGee, Pepcon, Timet, etc. used to use the deserts around here as dump for their toxic waste. For example, you could not pay me to live in Green Valley, which is built on top a lot of this toxic waste that people were not told about. In fact, growing up here the big joke was the "Henderson cloud", which was this massive cloud of industrial whatever that hung over Henderson and what is now Green Valley. The officials would never admit to what was in it, but once they started building Green Valley no mention of the Henderson Cloud was mentioned since in the media. Now they want to build in the Three Kids Mine area, which is HIGHLY TOXIC!!! I have a friend who is a chemist who had to do some soil analysis out there and now refuses to even step foot out there due to the toxic compounds in the soil. Still they have no problem with building more houses on top of this toxic mess. Same reason they are trying to cover up our natural asbestos problem here. Anyway, this makes me wonder if they can even use a lot of the groundwater around here. A lot of it is already contaminated with perchlorate, and there have been reports of our surface water being contaminated with uranium, which means that some of this may have worked its way down in to the ground water. The other problem is that the water levels have dropped drastically in the outer lying areas as well. For example, the Goldstrike Hot Springs use to be pretty full and running strong. The last time I was down there most of the pools were dry because the water table has dropped so much. The solution of the water authority is to try and steal the water from Central Eastern Nevada rather than control growth and stopping excessive water use by the casinos. They want to build a pipeline to pump the water down to Las Vegas. There are roadblocks though such as the fact that Las Vegas has no rights to that water. The water rights are owned by the Native American tribes and farmers in the area primarily. That water table also runs under the border in to Utah, who also has rights to that water.
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Post by vegasjames on May 9, 2015 18:06:11 GMT -5
The $2m cost may be legit, like $1.9m for environmental studies, permits, taxes, and $100k to the contractors. Thats the way we roll in this Obama Nation. They have already had to move that Marina several times due to declining water levels. Even when they move it it won't be long before it has to be moved again at the rate the lake is dropping.
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Post by jakesrocks on May 9, 2015 20:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by Rockoonz on May 10, 2015 0:06:40 GMT -5
Don, there you go confusing folks with facts. I suppose you're inferring that regional droughts in some areas and flooding in others is the way things have always been. Basically "climate change" is occurring in a world where climate changes? You think the computer models that have not been accurate indicate that the current revised projections might be wrong too? You think that disregarding all the data that does not support your hypothesis is not science? Stop it.
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 10, 2015 1:31:53 GMT -5
Lee, how are you stocks doing in Big Al's Polar Bear Water Wings Inc. Sales must be slow. Reports from the Eskimo's say they are still walking on firm ice. And are haveing wild bear orgy's increasing their numbers. And Al's beach front multi million dollar home is still high and dry. What is Al going to do with all the "dirty oil money" he got for his tv station? A rubberband powered plane would be a good first purchase. A hockey stick is used for "hockey" not predicting climate. Pretty hard to take any climate change science seriously when their top climate soap box preacher is the worlds biggest scam artist. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf to many times.
Anyone ever think that Commiefornia's drought problem could be caused by "poor water management, over population, or a natural cycle of the earth? I'm surprised they have not blamed it on fracking.
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 10, 2015 1:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by Rockoonz on May 10, 2015 3:32:28 GMT -5
Yep good old Al ManBearPig Gore. He really should be in prison, made millions on a lie. Good old Cali thought they would save the delta smelt and a few other assorted critters by draining their reservoirs. Looks like the smelt get to die anyway, along with the californians who are too poor to relocate.
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Post by jamesp on May 10, 2015 6:20:25 GMT -5
Indeed jakesrocks. There is no drought overall. The precipitation simply chooses not to land in some areas for long periods of time. ex. Gulf states were getting hurricane land strikes constantly for several years. Gulf states stayed flooded and Georgia about dried up. Hurricanes to the east, hurricanes to the west, dust bowl in Georgia. Dozens of hurricane remnants dodged Georgia over several years, a strong statistical improbability. A freak occurrence. Never seen a section of the US stay dry for 14 years though. Referring to the Colorado river drainage/S. CA./Neveda area. Checking L. Mead, dropping 5 feet per month for 2 months straight w/drop rate increases expected due to lower water and hot season arriving. The Gores, Corp Of Engrs, environmentalists, frackers,, tree huggers, politicians and humanity in general can't do crap to change anything if Ma Nature decides to simply stop the precipitation in a given area. One thing for sure, with out reservoirs we would be screwed. They better start fracking for water and adding reservoirs where there is water. Like yesterday.
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Post by jamesp on May 10, 2015 6:59:58 GMT -5
Guessing adjacent National Park Land and Native lands will be scrutinized quickly if there is any water to be had on those properties vegasjames. Las Vegas and Reno, the rest has very little population. Nevada far from ocean to process salt water. Particularly Las Vegas/Clark County.
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Post by jakesrocks on May 10, 2015 9:04:54 GMT -5
Don, there you go confusing folks with facts. I suppose you're inferring that regional droughts in some areas and flooding in others is the way things have always been. Basically "climate change" is occurring in a world where climate changes? You think the computer models that have not been accurate indicate that the current revised projections might be wrong too? You think that disregarding all the data that does not support your hypothesis is not science? Stop it. No Lee. I'm just thinking typical South Dakota spring weather. No change from what normally happens around here in the spring. Blizzards in the western half of the state, and pouring rain in the eastern half. Are you sure that Al Gore didn't leave the northern plains states out of his "scientific equations" ?
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Post by jakesrocks on May 10, 2015 10:50:13 GMT -5
James, with the weather what it is here today and probably for the next 48 hours, I needed a good laugh. Your charts have certainly given me one. Especially the first chart which shows the corn producing central plains states. 1/3 being sold overseas ? That ain't a hell of a lot of corn when you consider that at least 90% of the corn grown around here is turned into ethanol. Al Gore & his groupies sing the praises of ethanol and other bio fuels. We're saving the planet. We're conserving water, Etc, Etc. Etc. How about some real facts for a change ? blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/03/21/ethanol%E2%80%99s-impacts-on-our-water-resources/, or is Columbia University full of hot air ? What little actual food corn grown in South Dakota is for the most part 1 or 2 acre small farm plots. Most of that is sold in local farmers markets. I suspect the same holds true for North Dakota, Nebraska and the other corn producing states around here.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 11:11:56 GMT -5
Lee, how are you stocks doing in Big Al's Polar Bear Water Wings Inc. Sales must be slow. Reports from the Eskimo's say they are still walking on firm ice. And are haveing wild bear orgy's increasing their numbers. And Al's beach front multi million dollar home is still high and dry. What is Al going to do with all the "dirty oil money" he got for his tv station? A rubberband powered plane would be a good first purchase. A hockey stick is used for "hockey" not predicting climate. Pretty hard to take any climate change science seriously when their top climate soap box preacher is the worlds biggest scam artist. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf to many times. Anyone ever think that Commiefornia's drought problem could be caused by "poor water management, over population, or a natural cycle of the earth? I'm surprised they have not blamed it on fracking. Hahaha ya'll know that some of this is really laughable. OVERPOPULATION!!!! REALLY? ? Are you going to back the Commiefornia gvt when they try to limit people to one child like Commiechina did. The only thing that is going to change overpopulation on this planet is poor people falling over from hunger, well, poor people that haven't learned to scrounge good enough which is the present middle class. Another thing I do not get is: The oceans cover the larger portion of the planet and people have almost fished or polluted them to the point where they can not be considered a food source yet those same people will say "there is no damn way we could have damaged the atmosphere". Chinese air pollution has circled the planet and that is just one small piece of the pie. Ya ya ya I know that there is a lot of other crap rising up into the atmosphere but that has been going on forever without our help so when you add the two together WHAM. The planet is heating up (with the exception of a small piece of our north east) faster than it ever has before. People without question will believe in a God myth because someone told them to yet will ignore the science which has done some awesome things like make a metal tube full of people fly all over the planet using really old vegetation and animal matter AND drill ice and soil samples to tell us what went on around the planet for the last million years. We used to have a saying "err on the side of caution" and it used to work. Now the saying is "damn the cost, give me the money". I am very concerned for my children and grand children and now my great grand son. I feel like I have lived through the best and worst years the planet has ever had but we are passing on possibly an insurmountable task of getting their planet back to livable. Maybe they can move to the new plastic continent out in the ocean and live happily ever after. Or not. Please correct all my errors. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 10, 2015 11:44:39 GMT -5
Maybe the Dakotas are laughing jakesrocks. The SE US suffered tremendous economic damage from the drought areas shown on those charts. Add Texas when the drought hit them. Damage done, lots of farmers, businesses and construction shut down here. Don't care what colleges, politicians, environmentalists say. We got devastated by the drought. And I see the S.W. U.S. getting ready to go thru the same thing. Lots of good people getting ready to suffer like we did here. Nobody or no technology saved us. Problem is steady rainfall spread well. Not Don's fault. Not James' fault. It is Mother Nature that controls rainfall. Gore never entered the picture, he is just another swinging ick w/an opinion. Would not waste 2 seconds what that moron thinks. I fear nature's power. Not man, he is for the most part negligible. Thread titled drought, so I focused on Lake Mead and a lack of precipitation feeding it. No flames, just shedding light on the lack of rain Ma Nature is dolling out.
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Post by jakesrocks on May 10, 2015 12:50:58 GMT -5
Oh, the drought is effecting us here in SD too James. We got barely over 10" of total snowfall this last winter. Farmers around here depend on snowpack melt water to plant their spring crops. By this time of year most of the fields are seeded & sprouting. Not this year. The rain we're getting right now is a Godsend, but may be too late for the farmers. If we get an early winter this year, what little corn & other grains they manage to produce will rot in the fields. Our crops up here will effect the cost of ethanol & bio diesel. Increased costs for fuel will trickle downhill to effect the states who actually produce food crops. Watch for a big increase in the cost of grain based foods. Increase in the cost of federally mandated bio fuels. An increase in the cost of everything that takes fuel to produce or move. Thank your federal government for reducing food grain production & increasing your fuel costs. Average snowfall for Aberdeen, SD. www.currentresults.com/Weather/South-Dakota/annual-snowfall.php
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Post by jamesp on May 10, 2015 18:27:51 GMT -5
Oh, the drought is effecting us here in SD too James. We got barely over 10" of total snowfall this last winter. Farmers around here depend on snowpack melt water to plant their spring crops. By this time of year most of the fields are seeded & sprouting. Not this year. The rain we're getting right now is a Godsend, but may be too late for the farmers. If we get an early winter this year, what little corn & other grains they manage to produce will rot in the fields. Our crops up here will effect the cost of ethanol & bio diesel. Increased costs for fuel will trickle downhill to effect the states who actually produce food crops. Watch for a big increase in the cost of grain based foods. Increase in the cost of federally mandated bio fuels. An increase in the cost of everything that takes fuel to produce or move. Thank your federal government for reducing food grain production & increasing your fuel costs. Average snowfall for Aberdeen, SD. www.currentresults.com/Weather/South-Dakota/annual-snowfall.php Sounds like the govt has an upper hand on a lot of things out your way too. Sorry to hear, and about the snow shortage that may cause crop failure. The govt has also ruined all my carburetors with their mandated corn fuel too. They need to come clean the green particles that keep plugging them up. Govt mandates all the same, mass chaos. I hope they all have power equipment w/caburetors so they can 'feel our pain'. Motorcycle shop here in town says 80% of their maintenance business is cleaning carburetors. Machines with low gas consumption. Said it kept them in business 2 years ago when the govt.'s economy almost sunk them. Everything is butt backward w/them, contrary to logic. Let's hope you guys have a late winter-for the farmers sake.
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Post by Rockoonz on May 10, 2015 18:54:17 GMT -5
jamesp I wonder if developing a way to filter gasoline for small gas engines would be a winner. Any idea the size of the particles? I buy a new string trimmer every year these days, if a 250 mesh screen would catch the crud I could easily modify a funnel.
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Post by jamesp on May 10, 2015 19:46:28 GMT -5
jamesp I wonder if developing a way to filter gasoline for small gas engines would be a winner. Any idea the size of the particles? I buy a new string trimmer every year these days, if a 250 mesh screen would catch the crud I could easily modify a funnel. It is complicated Lee. This refers to chain saw engines, similar to your string trimmer. forestnet.com/TWissues/August08/chainsaw.pdfThe fact that ethanol is a solvent is one of the problems the screen would not help. They mention separation, if particles precipitate out of the ethanol in front of the screen your goose is cooked. One thing for sure, a lean 2-stroke will sure cook a piston. Had a triple port rotary valve 2-stroke racing engine in a Sea Doo that would cook pistons due to water collecting at the carb diaphragm. Lean conditions and boom, piston cooked and very quickly for high RPM 2-stroke like your string trimmer. PS Best solution is to buy non-ethanol gas. VP race fuel, an outlet perhaps for pure petro based fuel. It is worth the high cost since usage is small for that tool.
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Post by spiritstone on May 11, 2015 6:47:00 GMT -5
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