Tom
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2016 19:40:38 GMT -5
Hello everyone, A couple days ago I posted a picture of my first flush set faceted stone, 2mm CZ into a 2 pieces of 18 gauge copper sweat soldered together. Then I figured I better get more practice so I set more stones into a cross pattern and decided to cut out an oval and polish it up. BTW best vice ever! Well hobby vice anyway, you can flush cut on it, file flush on it, move it into any position imaginable and has removable soft rubber jaws. Then I figured that since it looked like a cab I should set it, so it became a ring. I filled in the sides of the ring and textured it with home made chasing tools I made from concrete nails. Some liver of sulfur and there is it is. I actually surprise myself sometimes because I normally can't come up with any artistic ideas. Hmmm maybe I still can't LOL. Thanks for looking.
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Post by radio on Jan 5, 2016 19:54:31 GMT -5
Cool piece! The concrete nails were a great idea!
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Post by toiv0 on Jan 5, 2016 19:59:25 GMT -5
looks good
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 5, 2016 20:29:17 GMT -5
I love how you "cabbed" that and made a ring- very cool. Looks very nice, too.
Pretty please will you post pictures of the texture tool you made? I want to make some and I am drawing blanks for some reason. I want to make one or 2 for the hammer handpiece too.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2016 21:45:34 GMT -5
I just got some concrete nails from the recycle store, I think they were a buck. I then just used the flat laps on the end of the Cab King to grind them to shape. You can use the wheels on the genie as well but I would suggest only the hard wheels, one wrong move on the soft ones and the nail would wreck it. Just grind different shapes and sizes as you see fit. This is the one I used today For the texture tool there is a set you can buy from Rio already made up or they also have 3 packs of blanks that you would do exactly the same as I did with the concrete nails. Don't use your soft wheels.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 5, 2016 21:48:32 GMT -5
OK, thanks Tom. I was thinking roofing nails for some damn reason. Glad I got that sorted. I'm guessing these hold up pretty well?
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2016 22:30:33 GMT -5
You are welcome Tela. Yes concrete nails are very hard, they are hammered into concrete and are a bit of a dinosaur now but you can still buy them new. You need to use your diamond wheels to shape them, they are harder than files or would really dull a quality file if it cut it at all. These ones are about 2.5 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter. They come in many sizes, this size seems to work
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Post by adrian65 on Jan 6, 2016 11:39:57 GMT -5
How do the stones stay securely? Did you glue them or did you hammer the metal around the stones to tighten them inside?
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Post by Tom on Jan 6, 2016 12:07:45 GMT -5
Hi Adrian, thanks for your interest. There are several Youtube video's showing the technique. I recommend Soham Harrison, he has over 200 Youtube videos and is a great instructor.
The short version is you use tiny drills, round head burrs and stone setting burrs to form the hole in the metal. Its very important that the hole be straight and the correct depth for each particular stone. The hole MUST be the same size as the diameter of the stone or slightly smaller, if your hole is bigger its a fail:(
Once you have the hole sorted out you set the stone in the hole, these are tiny 2mm CZ's and I am a bit shaky so it can be a bit of challenge, I got much better between stone 1 and stone 7.
then you take a smooth rounded burnisher, I made one from a broken burr, and contrary to what you would think you put the burnisher at about a 45 degree angle. And you push the metal out (away) from the stone in four directions N, S, E, W and then kind of push the burnisher to force the top of the metal AWAY from the stone. This action actually forces lower down metal to move inwards and over the girdle of the stone.
Then you put your burnisher at a 90 degree angle to the stone and just run the burnisher round and round the stone with a slight pressure away from the stone and its set.
Ok from an amature:
1. Get the hole perfectly straight. 2. The hole can NOT be larger than the outside diameter of the stone. 3. Don't use as much pressure as you think, you will slip and scratch the metal, as I did a few times. (I think you will anyway when you are just starting)
I think with practice this would be one of or the simplest way of setting stones.
Soham rocks, here is his 2 part video on flush setting, enjoy.
Part one Part two
BTW Adrian, how is winter for you over there? a little snow yet? Its been pretty nice here in Saskatchewan this year, although its snowing now and we are supposed to hit minus 20's, thank you weather god. Tom
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Post by adrian65 on Jan 6, 2016 12:21:40 GMT -5
Thank you for the explanations, Tom. Going to watch the videos now.
Winter was ... like spring here, till a week ago. Then, an abrupt plunge of the temperatures, way below freezing (-13 C was the lowest temp and we had MAXIMUMS of -8 through the days). Now temps are a bit higher but snow came on. Not much though, and not blizzard which is very good.
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Post by Tom on Jan 6, 2016 12:38:39 GMT -5
I have decided to not put degrees C when I type temperature anymore. There are exactly 196 countries in the world and exactly 3 countries don't use the Metric system, Burma (Myanmar), Liberia and the US of A. Why someone would not want to have a system that works on the number 10 is beyond me. Canada changed back in the 70's I think and everyone complained, now its used all the time, although I must admit I still think I want a pound of steak and not 454 grams LOL. But ask my daughter to cut an inch of something and you will get a blank stare LOL.
I would think that very few Americans that work on mechanical things don't have a set of metric tools.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 6, 2016 14:42:41 GMT -5
Thanks for your explanation. I think I have seen all of Soham's videos, at least once. Even the one on making a cobbler When I go to try this, I'll watch it again. How do you know what graver to use. I was looking at them and they all seem Greek to me. Maybe, I need to get a set? I like what you said about us and metrics. I wish we would go metric, too. I think of some things in metric already. I remember learning it in the 70's and it through me for a loop and intimidated the hell out of me then. Not so much anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 15:17:48 GMT -5
Metrics rock for many many reasons. In grade skrewl and jr high they told use (Nixon told us?) that the usa was changing and we had better get ready, so i learned it. Makes perfect sense water freezes at zero boils at 100, -40 is the same for both systems.
Meters and kilometers and millimeters all powers of ten. Embrace it!
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Post by Tom on Jan 6, 2016 15:53:19 GMT -5
LOL embrace the system, I remember when Nixon tried to implement the system, seems he was as good at that as spying on his competition:)
Tela no graver used for this type of setting just a burnisher. If you want to try bead setting you need a graver, I am not ready for that yet or likely ever. I just put a broken burr in a spare pin vice and uses my flat wheels and water to shape the end into a smooth ball. He explains in the video.
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Post by adrian65 on Jan 6, 2016 16:09:50 GMT -5
The inch/foot/mile system only has one single advantage, in my opinion: it doesn't allow the brain to get rusty As for one pound, yes it's 454 grams sharp, but one can say it's roughly half a kilo. Adrian
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 16:29:39 GMT -5
Nice exercise in jewelry work. Thanks for sharing
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Post by Tom on Jan 6, 2016 17:17:12 GMT -5
Nice exercise in jewelry work. Thanks for sharing Leave it to Scott to get a thread gone astray back on track. Thanks for the compliment Scott.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 21:58:29 GMT -5
Nice exercise in jewelry work. Thanks for sharing Leave it to Scott to get a thread gone astray back on track. Thanks for the compliment Scott. l I usually am the one To send them astray. So i have made an effort to bring them back
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