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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 16:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Feb 17, 2016 17:20:55 GMT -5
most likely its just a advertising front of Apple playing the good cop the Feds already got the information there is no real privacy-- those days are over with technology I just played a video music trivia game at Red Robin exmohs lost the main round to aljandro! cause I didn't know who the godfather of hip hop was I choose lil'mo how could I be wrong? red robin knows everything about me well at least they know I don't listen to hip hop but I got all the Ziggy right! Trump the man at this point cause I don't know what he'll really do the others I got good idea of and it doesn't sound to promising mostly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 13:31:41 GMT -5
When it comes to privacy from tech companies, you gave that to them in exchange for services rendered. Turn off all services nd that particular flow of your data stops.
The issue at question is privacy from government actors. Not private entities.
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Post by mohs on Feb 18, 2016 17:47:19 GMT -5
I do want to back up a bit maybe the Fed didn’t get the information why ? Because Apple actually can’t break their own encryption there is no back door That what Apple is claiming So in this particular case if Apple had the key should they allow the Feds to see the data dump? I tend to say yes. Its a warranted case. Like being subpoena. But the larger issue is more important who was the godfather of hip hop?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 20:30:49 GMT -5
The FBI via the court is demanding Apple break into someone else's property. Apple does not own the phone.the estate of the deceased terrorist does.
If under supboena the FBI could crack it, then all iPhone users are at risk for intrusion. Apple does not want to be in that business. At all. Ever.
Google, Facebook and Twitter are joining Apple is solidarity. Tough shit to the FBI.
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Post by mohs on Feb 18, 2016 21:43:07 GMT -5
actually the terrorist doesn't own that damn phone nor the information on it that phone was a company phone the company that mr.idiot went work at and slaughter his co-workers those were individual people not sure if the company is an individual
but the terrorist certainly forfeited their rights to being individuals and the phone is in neutral property zone
so -- that phone should be cracked its a criminal case what part of no privacy is not understood when the law is broke?
Apple doesn't really have case here but as mentioned they can't crack it anyways
and this is not be construed with the idea that I am for government surveillance or that private business is not sovereign to an extent from government intrusion but this is a particular case-- that I think a judge Scialia would up hold
and who is the god father of hip hop ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 22:21:46 GMT -5
I just read it is a county owned phone. Seems to me the county should be able to ask.
Except then Apple says we don't supply that service.
The court should give the phone to Apple and tell Apple to give them back the contents. But definitely not the method for gaining those contents.
The FBI isn't asking for that. They want the METHOD AND THE CONTENTS. oops that.
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Post by 1dave on Feb 19, 2016 7:10:02 GMT -5
I just read it is a county owned phone. Seems to me the county should be able to ask. Except then Apple says we don't supply that service. The court should give the phone to Apple and tell Apple to give them back the contents. But definitely not the method for gaining those contents. The FBI isn't asking for that. They want the METHOD AND THE CONTENTS. oops that. They will never do that - It makes too much sense!
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Post by mohs on Feb 19, 2016 14:58:55 GMT -5
I agree the Feds don't get the METHOD but I think in this case they deserve the CONTENT .
Thanks for being the springboard to who the godfather of hip hop was
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 1:43:46 GMT -5
Steven Tyler was/is the godfather of hiphop.
Contents of the phone are meaningless. They can proceed without them. FBI has no NEED.but the do WANT to set precedent. The terrorism angle on this particular phone allows for this opportunity to set the avalanche in motion.
eff that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 1:50:47 GMT -5
Listen up.
When the FBI needs tech assistance with any segment of the population they lack expertise in, they set up a chain of custody on the evidence, get the outside experts to evaluate, report, and finally testify in court.
This time they don't do that.
This time, they demand Apple GIVE THEM THE EXPERTISE to never have to ask again.
That is, they want to take Apple out of the expert witness biz. By threat of force. oops that.
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Post by earthdog on Feb 25, 2016 7:45:41 GMT -5
"so -- that phone should be cracked its a criminal case what part of no privacy is not understood when the law is broke?"
And where does it end?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 8:43:39 GMT -5
"so -- that phone should be cracked its a criminal case what part of no privacy is not understood when the law is broke?" It's not about this phone. Your vision is too granular. It's about releasing a tool that can be far to easily misused. It's your privacy I'm fighting for. I know, you can't see it. Trees in the way of seeing the forest.
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Post by mohs on Feb 25, 2016 18:13:55 GMT -5
my ass I already agreed that they don't deserve the method but they are entitled to the contents its damn criminal case
as to earlier when does it end ? it ended for me when I found out who the godfather hip hop was
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 18:35:17 GMT -5
Ed,
With all due respect, you seem the represent that the government's need for this one phone worth of data, is greater then the need for privacy by tens of millions of iPhone owners.
For me, the people win and the FBI can suck a fat one with respect t this one phone.
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Post by mohs on Feb 25, 2016 18:59:31 GMT -5
if the contents can only be gotten by giving up a universal code then NO-- the FEDS don’t get the contents been pretty much my position
I’m not sure that is the case and all this Apple & FEDS making headlines as bit of advertising jingoistic to it
But if Apple can crack the contents of that particular phone leaving everyone all else's alone-- then it should be done
IF that can’t be done then I bow to you superior privacy position
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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 25, 2016 19:25:25 GMT -5
It seems real simple.... camel, nose, tent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 11:48:50 GMT -5
It seems real simple.... camel, nose, tent. I'll say it again. If they gave Apple the phone and asked for contents in return, then maybe. They handle many forms of evidence those way. They call it using outside experts. But they are not. The intent is clear.
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Post by Rockoonz on Feb 29, 2016 2:47:18 GMT -5
I read somewhere there are currently multiple similar cases where jurisdictions plan to also submit court orders to Apple if the back door is created. Giving up even the slightest bit of liberty in exchange for a promise of security never ends well.
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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 29, 2016 17:46:49 GMT -5
It seems real simple.... camel, nose, tent. I'll say it again. If they gave Apple the phone and asked for contents in return, then maybe. They handle many forms of evidence those way. They call it using outside experts. But they are not. The intent is clear. I'm not sure, but I think you misunderstood me. The camel's nose under the tent being akin to leaving the door open for more abuses. I think if Apple is forced to do this, then it is just another crack in the door that should be closed/slammed shut.
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