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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 16, 2016 14:46:19 GMT -5
I'm not against public hanging. Public flogging for lesser crimes would be ok, too, maybe it would keep someone from escalating their crimes to the capital degree.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 16, 2016 14:56:54 GMT -5
Publish the date, time & place of the public hanging. Let the scumbags come & watch one of their buddies dancing on the end of a rope. It might make them think twice before committing their next crime.
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Post by victor1941 on Jun 16, 2016 17:32:38 GMT -5
No such hanging will take place today because the person who did it probably has a low intellect or mitigating childhood circumstances. The case will then be appealed forever with the felon sitting in jail.
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Post by broseph82 on Jun 16, 2016 17:45:54 GMT -5
Maybe execute every violent offender in prison, every prison, and maybe people will think twice if at anytime you could be put down. Welps that's my $0.02
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 21:18:00 GMT -5
Since we are promoting government homicide of civilians, let's at least choose a method guaranteed to work.
Guillotine is mathematically superior to hanging. Hanging worked well Madam, but is less than perfect. Guillotine always makes a clean break.
eff guys, do you really want the things you say? Omg you dont trust government for ANY DECISION in your life. Why is it OK they decide who lives and who dies?
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Post by captbob on Jun 16, 2016 21:58:33 GMT -5
Since we are promoting government homicide of civilians, let's at least choose a method guaranteed to work. Guillotine is mathematically superior to hanging. Hanging worked well Madam, but is less than perfect. Guillotine always makes a clean break. oops guys, do you really want the things you say? Omg you dont trust government for ANY DECISION in your life. Why is it OK they decide who lives and who dies? A. I believe we are talking about killing convicted criminals, not girl scouts here. I don't care if it works 100% of the time. If the first attempt doesn't get the job done, try again. oh, boo hoo inhumane pain and suffering! So? He/she probably deserves it if they are in that position. B. I would be okay with the guillotine. C. Want public executions? Oh hell yes! Determent factor is through the roof. Even stupid people will quickly figure out that crime doesn't pay. "Who is "they" that decide? Not the government, a jury of "peers". Just like now. A jury is probably right 99 percent of the time. Mistakes happen. But a 1% margin of error is acceptable. next...
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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 17, 2016 7:33:48 GMT -5
Scott's kind of right, Bob. Mistakes are made. There have been, innocent people in prison...unintentionally *or* intentionally put there. The death penalty...how do we determine "irrefutable" evidence? Who comes up with the "evidence"? Who has the power to "rig" a trial/evidence? Is someone making a deal with prosecutors to testify against their cohorts a legitimate witness? ...lots of things to wonder about in regards to deciding to end a person's life. Many times there are situations where there is no doubt that someone murdered somebody...but, is there something that is missing or hidden that might have cast a doubt? People say that killing 1:1000 or 1:10000 innocent people is not a "bad" ratio...but to that person and family it's a 1:1 ratio....pretty devastating. So yeah, Scott's got a very valid point. Last night was visitation at the funeral home. Thankfully we were there early...when we left the building the line of people showing their respects stretched out the front door of the funeral home to the sidewalk and down the street the length of the building...quiet a crowd. More people were driving up. Anyhow, when I spoke to the son he naturally had strong feelings of vengeance towards the murderer. The son is a strong Christian and that type of desire will steal our joy. He said that he would get through this and was wanting his heart to change from what he was currently feeling. He realized that his feelings, emotions, heart, whatever, was screaming right now in anguish and that he would eventually heal from much of the pain. The hurt and memory of his father being taken as he was will always be with him, but the desire for vengeance will hopefully one day soon subside. It goes without saying that he wants the person that did this horrible deed caught. The son amazed me with his thoughts. The mother...she's just worried about her son right now...all she wants is for him to be ok. Justice is one thing and vengeance is another. If we embrace vengeance it can further harm us. Plus, God can avenge much more precisely and powerfully than we can imagine... Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. - Romans 12:19Ed Earl was kind of like me in one regard...felt like a fish out of water when wearing a suit. But, he wore one well.
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Post by captbob on Jun 17, 2016 8:59:39 GMT -5
Hey Ed, I'm not running around in circles yelling "Kill 'em all!", and certainly not advocating cutting off the hand of some idiot that shoplifts at Wal*Mart as some muzzie countries would do. Simply, I strongly believe in the death penalty and think that making the punishment for certain heinous crimes more public may be a good deterrent. Justice is one thing and vengeance is another. If we embrace vengeance it can further harm us. Plus, God can avenge much more precisely and powerfully than we can imagine... Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. - Romans 12:19God's unseen "vengeance" or justice in the afterlife is of little worry to most of those that would commit such crimes in that they are probably not Believers in the first place. A good old fashioned public execution for capital offenses may well have a positive effect on lowering such crime. And, if there is a - caught in the act, 100% certainty of guilt, get 'er done!. None of this 30 years on Death Row crap. IF a rare mistake is made, maybe God can compensate for man's errors. But hey... I'm a hateful, hater something or other and this is just my opinion. Sorry to sidetrack your thread so. RIP Earl
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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 17, 2016 9:17:55 GMT -5
No Bob, I don't think that you're wanting to kill everybody that looks like a murderer...and I don't think you're a "hater". I think you have strong emotions and convictions. A 100%, caught on video, a dozen credible witnesses, a signed confession, etc., etc.,...sure, light'em up. I, too, believe that public executions would deter some from going down the wrong path...even wrong paths such as petty theft, or maybe drug use, or whatever. Reading about someone being executed in the paper or a newscaster saying it on television doesn't make the impact as actually witnessing the intentional death of someone does. So, I agree, on the public execution thoughts. In the situation where there's guilt beyond a "shadow of a doubt" the long, protracted appeals are bad, I agree, but for one innocent person it gives them hope to being set free. It's the fallibility of man and especially of corrupt man that bothers me. Since DNA has become a readily available tool many people have been proven innocent. I wonder how many have been buried that we'll never know were innocent? It's a very somber and fine line of human judgement in condemning and executing another human to death.
In the end, God, indeed, will "sort'em out".
No sidetrack, Bob, on topic... Ed
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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 17, 2016 9:18:08 GMT -5
...off to a funeral.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 17, 2016 9:52:02 GMT -5
I don't give a damn anymore. Judicial system can all take it where the sun don't shine.
How can Brain Nichols shoot and kill court room employees whilst being filmed and get life.
Crimes, add murders on camera:
On May 5, 2005 Nichols was indicted by a Fulton County grand jury on 54 counts including murder, felony murder, kidnapping, armed robbery, aggravated assault, aggravated battery, theft, carjacking, and escape from authorities.[19] Nichols initially pleaded not guilty, with his lawyers stating that they wanted to defend Nichols on the basis of mental health.
Cost:
Nichols became Georgia's most expensive defendant, with his case topping $3 million for the prosecution and defense combined.[20]
Jurys:
Nichols was spared multiple death sentences when the jury failed to reach a unanimous decision,
Sentence after 3 YEARS:
On December 13, 2008, Nichols was sentenced to multiple life sentences with no chance of parole.
The judges suck The jury sucks The laws suck
This country is being bankrupted by keeping the Brain Nichols of this world behind a TV and air conditioned. The whole judicial/criminal system is a cluster duck. Let there be no confusion.
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Post by victor1941 on Jun 17, 2016 9:54:34 GMT -5
Quick question-does a murder today seem as horrible as say 50-60 years age because they seem so common place? Austin seems to have so many murders and traffic deaths that it seems like business as usual for a large city.
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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 17, 2016 12:28:06 GMT -5
Funeral services were very good, though very hot (100F+ heat index) at graveside. Pastors did not dodge the fact that he was murdered but handled it very well to impart love and hope to family and friends. jamesp, I hear you on our judicial system...it's just like the other branches of government...about money and power, except they are profiting on human misery. Add to the judicial branch the egos of a bunch of lawyers and washed out lawyers (judges)...the hotdog syndrome. victor1941, I just had a conversation along these lines this morning with my wife. Human suffering, tragedy, and death seems common-place these days...we've been dumbed down by over exposure. We see a headline of a suicide bomb n Iraq killing 30 people but we pass on by it..."just another suicide bomber". Only when it hits very close to home do we really take notice. Fifty years ago a suicide bombing just about any where in the world would have made headlines...and everyone would have read the report. We've gotten numb to human suffering.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:35:57 GMT -5
Hey Ed, I'm not running around in circles yelling "Kill 'em all!", and certainly not advocating cutting off the hand of some idiot that shoplifts at Wal*Mart as some muzzie countries would do. Simply, I strongly believe in the death penalty and think that making the punishment for certain heinous crimes more public may be a good deterrent. Justice is one thing and vengeance is another. If we embrace vengeance it can further harm us. Plus, God can avenge much more precisely and powerfully than we can imagine... Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. - Romans 12:19God's unseen "vengeance" or justice in the afterlife is of little worry to most of those that would commit such crimes in that they are probably not Believers in the first place. A good old fashioned public execution for capital offenses may well have a positive effect on lowering such crime. And, if there is a - caught in the act, 100% certainty of guilt, get 'er done!. None of this 30 years on Death Row crap. IF a rare mistake is made, maybe God can compensate for man's errors. Even if it was you, your lovely bride or anyone else you may love? You dont trust government with healthcare. But homicide is OK. OK. The first step to recovery is contrition. You are soooo close...... Deep sorrow to Ed and everyone whom knew Earl. If god exists, Earl is in a good place now.
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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 17, 2016 13:52:35 GMT -5
This family is a very humble family coming from a small farming community. I would say that they're wrestling with an emotion that is mostly foreign to them...anger. They are true believers in Jesus Christ and they're fighting this anger. I can see the confusion in them, the wonderment that someone could take away from them someone who was good and man that showed loved to everybody he came in contact with...someone they loved dearly without pretext or conditions. Simple love. But now...their world is upside down.
Scott, in what you said above "Even if it was you, your lovely bride or anyone else you may love?"...I know you're speaking of that person being executed. But what if that person you love is the one murdered? Humans are humans...the emotions run deep, the love runs deep. This family is going to have some hellish battles to come trying to settle this within them. They are not a family that holds grudges or speaks ill of anybody...but they call things as they are...no whitewash and no perfume. In the end they will pray that God's will be done.
@shotgunner, the preacher that preached graveside was Earl's home church preacher...probably a few years older than Earl. I wish you could have heard his message. I've heard people say "he/she wouldn't come back if they could" but he said "if Earl could come back it wouldn't be fair to ask him to". I'd never thought of that before...having to decide between being with holy and righteous God in all His glory or coming back to be with your loved ones here on earth.
There was a big crowd, both at the chapel and at graveside. If there's such a thing...Earl had a good send off.
There's a lot of people wondering, a lot of people angry, and a lot of people scared...this wouldn't be a good time for a petty thief to show up or a peeping tom or basically anybody slipping around where they shouldn't be...it could be the last time they "slip around". We're country down here...ain't hardly a house around that don't have at least a couple of guns in it. Just sayin'...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 16:16:46 GMT -5
IntheswampIf my daughter was being murdered raped robbed, and i have means and opportunity? Dude is dead. I wish the same is anyone catches them in the act. If the case goes thru the courts? I trust government to judge and provide jury. I do not trust them to be executioner. Period. Research the freedom project and learn how many innocents have been convicted and later released. Plus as a society, I don't believe killing citizens is a good thing. Lastly, I think it's irrational to rail on government governing almost every detail in our lives, but still agree with the same government committing homicide. Highly irrational indeed. This reason is why I changed my tune on capital punishment. I couldn't live with my own hypocrisy.
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Post by mohs on Jun 17, 2016 17:08:14 GMT -5
so I guess it raises the question
after the accused is judged by the a jury of his peers and found guilty --in sufficient crimes such as premeditated brutal murders & rapes ect…
should we then allow the victim family the right to execute? let them decide. Let them carry out the dropping of the switch? And they must be the ones to do it.
If they choose not to then it life imprisonment.
That seems like a judicious alternative it alieves ‘we the people’ from carry out capital punishment and provides for the victim's family the right to ‘an eye for an eye’
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Post by captbob on Jun 17, 2016 17:28:58 GMT -5
Lastly, I think it's irrational to rail on government governing almost every detail in our lives, but still agree with the same government committing homicide. Highly irrational indeed. This reason is why I changed my tune on capital punishment. I couldn't live with my own hypocrisy. There are simply things that it is the government's responsibility to do. Providing national defense and securing our borders (HA!!) are two that quickly come to mind. I also believe that it is their (.gov) job to deal with executions of guilty criminals should that punishment be warranted. I don't find Ed's @ mr.mohs idea of having the family of the victim carry out the sentence rational (no offense) in that you are asking people not trained or "hardened" for such a task to do something which may well be far out of their comfort range. Yes, they may want "an eye for an eye", but having them pull the switch (whatever) is kinda over the top. Scott, you say " I trust government to judge and provide jury. I do not trust them to be executioner." Why not? (maybe you said, I've been multitasking beyond my norm today!) They (.gov) would be carrying out the sentence of the Judge and verdict of the Jury. Seems a pretty easy task. Sorry, no time to research the freedom project right now, but I'm talking about executions in beyond a doubt (as mentioned above cameras / multiple witnesses) cases. " Plus as a society, I don't believe killing citizens is a good thing." Then work to change the present system.
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Post by Intheswamp on Jun 17, 2016 18:56:55 GMT -5
Scott, my comparison of the loved ones was simply to point out that people are different. I know you would protect your family and loved ones. As for flipping the switch on someone...I doubt I could do it. But, like you, if someone was to attack a loved one...I wouldn't hesitate to protect them. The Freedom Project...yes, a great project.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 20:00:19 GMT -5
well from what I’m hearing then for personal family cases of murders life sentences are good enough Yet for certain cases of undeniaable mass slaughter such as Tucson or Aurora then really the only humane thing for the State to do is to put those people to death quickly & efficiently what good is it for society or their diseased minds to languish in a cell ? This assholes usually save the state the expense. Preferring suicide to a public defender.
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