kevin24018
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Post by kevin24018 on Mar 7, 2018 8:02:48 GMT -5
ah yeah some stained glass tools are probably handy, though a .22 would work and be fun A 30.06 may be better. some of these vases are over a half inch thick at low and top ends. The glass nipper is heavy duty but not made for nipping half inch thick. or my hands weren't made to nip glass that thick. Had to weld extensions on the handles on a nipper for more leverage for the thick glass. there are no tools made for this type of glass work. New frontier what about a chisel? even a hammer an nail might work, knappers use a similar technique, indirect percussion I think.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 7, 2018 10:13:38 GMT -5
A 30.06 may be better. some of these vases are over a half inch thick at low and top ends. The glass nipper is heavy duty but not made for nipping half inch thick. or my hands weren't made to nip glass that thick. Had to weld extensions on the handles on a nipper for more leverage for the thick glass. there are no tools made for this type of glass work. New frontier what about a chisel? even a hammer an nail might work, knappers use a similar technique, indirect percussion I think. Once you cut sheet and plate glass with roller end glass nippers you will be throwing rocks at about all other methods. Spring return handles and high productivity with great shape control. I just buy what the glass shop guy says to use. So far they have steered me well. I found a pair that opens to 9/16 inch. Nipping glass over 3/8 inch about requires 2 of my hands anyway. doubt they are designed for such thickness. They would probably work on agate chips. Certainly obsidian. Tungsten carbide wheels.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 7, 2018 12:49:37 GMT -5
I did get myself a new tumbler- a lovely little Lortone 4 lb barrel. Both are running my competition agates.
She did very good-reminds me of sherbert
Give em hell Alison. You just started tumbling and already got you boxing gloves on. Best of luck ! You said the ladies are always right about color choices. Speaking of color: Janke is going to make me some jewelry glass vases but assigned me to pick and supply the frit for pattern and color. So I am making frit. With me supplying the frit it will save a lot of money because of the labor involved. They make most of their own and it is labor intensive. I am making a lapper that will grind the clear glass away from the colored glass of his scraps quite easily allowing richer colors. I can also grind and clean up the big chunks of clear glass from the scraps and get credit on the clear glass. Basically I am the labor and supplier for the materials plus filling their clear pot of glass for all their work. I will tumble the clear glass chunks in large tumbler barrels over night to get them very clean. They are busy blowing and don't take the time. And process is really messy. This lapper grinder will capture the colored glass shavings via water flow into a bucket. I will remelt the shavings in the kiln. So I could grind 2 or 3 different colors and capture the shavings in a mix and make whatever color I desire. The process takes a lot of clean water and they are on expensive downtown city water and can not afford it. I have a powerful clean water well that I had dug for the aquatic plant business. Cheap water. So this monster keeps getting more interesting. I don't know about giving em hell but I am sure trying. Been over a month and not making much progress. Patience needed once again You're right about it getting more interesting. So happy you and Mr. Janke have met
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Post by jamesp on Mar 7, 2018 21:17:11 GMT -5
You walked right off the watermelon truck and hit the first tumble of the park. If you don't have a big rock in this batch figure if it takes longer. Curious to your findings.
I like that crew at the glass studio. Maybe we can be partners in this endeavor, I hope so anyway.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 7, 2018 21:20:49 GMT -5
You walked right off the watermelon truck and hit the first tumble of the park. If you don't have a big rock in this batch figure if it takes longer. Curious to your findings. I like that crew at the glass studio. Maybe we can be partners in this endeavor, I hope so anyway. More like the turnip truck. Allergic to melons You think I didn't listen to the master? Of course there is a big rock in there. Not as big as George, but Im starting without pregrinding.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 7, 2018 21:39:44 GMT -5
You walked right off the watermelon truck and hit the first tumble of the park. If you don't have a big rock in this batch figure if it takes longer. Curious to your findings. I like that crew at the glass studio. Maybe we can be partners in this endeavor, I hope so anyway. More like the turnip truck. Allergic to melons You think I didn't listen to the master? Of course there is a big rock in there. Not as big as George, but Im starting without pregrinding. Far out. Don't forget you may have to add coarse grit more often with the big rock since the big rock grinds everything harder. Oral allergy syndrome ? Melons and ragweed are often the cause.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 7, 2018 22:27:06 GMT -5
More like the turnip truck. Allergic to melons You think I didn't listen to the master? Of course there is a big rock in there. Not as big as George, but Im starting without pregrinding. Far out. Don't forget you may have to add coarse grit more often with the big rock since the big rock grinds everything harder. Oral allergy syndrome ? Melons and ragweed are often the cause. I am adding once a week. Funny, but the 3lb HF breaks down the grit faster than the 4lb Lortone. The rocks in the 3lb are actually looking better too.
Watermelon overdose when I was young triggered an reaction. Cant eat it and cantaloupe I cant even be around if its been cut.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 8, 2018 5:41:42 GMT -5
Far out. Don't forget you may have to add coarse grit more often with the big rock since the big rock grinds everything harder. Oral allergy syndrome ? Melons and ragweed are often the cause. I am adding once a week. Funny, but the 3lb HF breaks down the grit faster than the 4lb Lortone. The rocks in the 3lb are actually looking better too.
Watermelon overdose when I was young triggered an reaction. Cant eat it and cantaloupe I cant even be around if its been cut.
Overdosed before but never on watermelon . Were these being grown on the family farm ? OK, knowing your grit-rate-breakdown is real clever. Don't like spinning rocks without abrasives. Wastes time. Two reasons for slower or faster breakdown(for most part), one is bigger diameter and/or one is spinning faster. And round barrel verses hexagon 6 sided barrel, round barrels break grit down faster. HF must be rolling faster...betcha $3.23
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Post by MsAli on Mar 8, 2018 8:16:02 GMT -5
I am adding once a week. Funny, but the 3lb HF breaks down the grit faster than the 4lb Lortone. The rocks in the 3lb are actually looking better too.
Watermelon overdose when I was young triggered an reaction. Cant eat it and cantaloupe I cant even be around if its been cut.
Overdosed before but never on watermelon . Were these being grown on the family farm ? OK, knowing your grit-rate-breakdown is real clever. Don't like spinning rocks without abrasives. Wastes time. Two reasons for slower or faster breakdown(for most part), one is bigger diameter and/or one is spinning faster. And round barrel verses hexagon 6 sided barrel, round barrels break grit down faster. HF must be rolling faster...betcha $3.23 Family reunion. Huge cattle trough full of watermelon. Cousin and I ate so much we both got hives and really really sick. Can't stand the smell now either. Hmmm I owe you $3.23
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Post by jamesp on Mar 8, 2018 9:49:38 GMT -5
Overdosed before but never on watermelon . Were these being grown on the family farm ? OK, knowing your grit-rate-breakdown is real clever. Don't like spinning rocks without abrasives. Wastes time. Two reasons for slower or faster breakdown(for most part), one is bigger diameter and/or one is spinning faster. And round barrel verses hexagon 6 sided barrel, round barrels break grit down faster. HF must be rolling faster...betcha $3.23 Family reunion. Huge cattle trough full of watermelon. Cousin and I ate so much we both got hives and really really sick. Can't stand the smell now either. Hmmm I owe you $3.23 What are each of their speeds ? Watermelon OD, still laughing.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 8, 2018 10:05:15 GMT -5
Family reunion. Huge cattle trough full of watermelon. Cousin and I ate so much we both got hives and really really sick. Can't stand the smell now either. Hmmm I owe you $3.23 What are each of their speeds ? Watermelon OD, still laughing. Fast and somewhat fast? The only thing I know is they go round and round. How do I find that out? Had a similar incident with Tequila
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Post by Fossilman on Mar 8, 2018 11:07:34 GMT -5
James,you mustn't get bored at all, you can turn in any direction on your place and get to work! That glass idea is totally out of the park wild!! Great idea!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 8, 2018 12:32:36 GMT -5
What are each of their speeds ? Watermelon OD, still laughing. Fast and somewhat fast? The only thing I know is they go round and round. How do I find that out? Had a similar incident with Tequila Ah, watermelon flavored tequila. Watch 3rd hand on clock and count rotations in one minute = rotations per minute = RPM
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Post by jamesp on Mar 8, 2018 12:34:32 GMT -5
James,you mustn't get bored at all, you can turn in any direction on your place and get to work! That glass idea is totally out of the park wild!! Great idea! The glass thingy was a long time coming. Had dreamed up all these ideas for years. From brain juice to reality I suppose. All coming to fruition now. I have started to replace the clay slurry thickener with small screened colorful glass. Got tons of colorful crushed glass. Can screen 100 pounds of 1/2 to 3/4 inch size in an hour using gold classifiers and fresh well water. Might as well screen it and use it for padding. Call it earring glass when tumbled. Lots of it.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 8, 2018 12:39:41 GMT -5
Fast and somewhat fast? The only thing I know is they go round and round. How do I find that out? Had a similar incident with Tequila Ah, watermelon flavored tequila. Watch 3rd hand on clock and count rotations in one minute = rotations per minute = RPM EEEWWW God No! Straight up patron with chasers Wont EVER do that again
I'll have to do it when I have some free time -You would think it might be in the manual ?
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Post by jamesp on Mar 8, 2018 19:36:14 GMT -5
Ah, watermelon flavored tequila. Watch 3rd hand on clock and count rotations in one minute = rotations per minute = RPM EEEWWW God No! Straight up patron with chasers Wont EVER do that again
I'll have to do it when I have some free time -You would think it might be in the manual ?
The number is not a concern. It is good to be aware of the more aggressive tumbler. You can use the slower one for softer rocks. I am nervous about running glass in fine grit steps with big fast moving barrels because it might get bruised. The finer the grit the easier it is to bruise. I made some smaller barrels for fine grit steps when tumbling glass. Gentle slow moving, no need to be in a hurry. Sitting at the bar the other day, noticed Absolute vodka in a bunch of different flavors.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 8, 2018 19:56:49 GMT -5
EEEWWW God No! Straight up patron with chasers Wont EVER do that again
I'll have to do it when I have some free time -You would think it might be in the manual ?
The number is not a concern. It is good to be aware of the more aggressive tumbler. You can use the slower one for softer rocks. I am nervous about running glass in fine grit steps with big fast moving barrels because it might get bruised. The finer the grit the easier it is to bruise. I made some smaller barrels for fine grit steps when tumbling glass. Gentle slow moving, no need to be in a hurry. Sitting at the bar the other day, noticed Absolute vodka in a bunch of different flavors. The Lortone is the slower one. Right now both are running stage 1. Checking them tomorrow You'll be fine on the glass. You out think things way more than most. I love vodka, but it's best I don't drink it. Just beer and wine for me. Every now and then I get a craving for a shot of schnapps. But me and hard liquor is not a good thing
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Post by jamesp on Mar 8, 2018 23:59:24 GMT -5
The number is not a concern. It is good to be aware of the more aggressive tumbler. You can use the slower one for softer rocks. I am nervous about running glass in fine grit steps with big fast moving barrels because it might get bruised. The finer the grit the easier it is to bruise. I made some smaller barrels for fine grit steps when tumbling glass. Gentle slow moving, no need to be in a hurry. Sitting at the bar the other day, noticed Absolute vodka in a bunch of different flavors. The Lortone is the slower one. Right now both are running stage 1. Checking them tomorrow You'll be fine on the glass. You out think things way more than most. I love vodka, but it's best I don't drink it. Just beer and wine for me. Every now and then I get a craving for a shot of schnapps. But me and hard liquor is not a good thing Glass and obsidian was a long tumbling road. My machines and methods would never work. A learn what not to do. Ever learned that way lol ? Liquor will teach ya
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Post by MsAli on Mar 9, 2018 0:04:33 GMT -5
The Lortone is the slower one. Right now both are running stage 1. Checking them tomorrow You'll be fine on the glass. You out think things way more than most. I love vodka, but it's best I don't drink it. Just beer and wine for me. Every now and then I get a craving for a shot of schnapps. But me and hard liquor is not a good thing Glass and obsidian was a long tumbling road. My machines and methods would never work. A learn what not to do. Ever learned that way lol ? Liquor will teach ya Shoot, if you only knew.....thats the story of my life Whelp....won't do that again Crack myself up....
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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2018 0:26:21 GMT -5
Glass and obsidian was a long tumbling road. My machines and methods would never work. A learn what not to do. Ever learned that way lol ? Liquor will teach ya Shoot, if you only knew.....thats the story of my life Whelp....won't do that again Crack myself up.... School of hard knocks. In a form, most learning is "Whelp...won't do that again". Sitting on the couch and not at least trying to do stuff is a waste of life.
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